As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
augie wrote:I suppose if we really want to sort this now wenger should go to cesc and ask him straight out what he wants to do and if he says he wants out then tell him that he can only leave if barca pay the £40m or €50m transfer fee within the next 7-10 days and that if they do not then he will be staying
We now that he wants to go...at some point.
It would be better management not to ask but to put it another way to Cesc and say:
"We know you eventually want to go back to Spain, but at as it stands at the moment we obviously don't want to sell you. But Barcalona are under valuing you and arent bothered to pay near a realistic value for you.
So Cesc, unless they really want this summer you will have to show them this season what they're missing"
Flash I'm concerned by your lack of blind arsenal devotion.
Tbh the Chamkah thing they had themselves to blame, they tried to get a higher price for him after we offered them about 8 mil. Didn't they offer him to west ham? It was his desire to go coupled with Bordeauxs stalling imo. Not to say we didn't say 'wll you can come for free at the end' But I don't think its comparable to the Cesc situation imo.
Btw, what the fuck did the madrid fans thing when they went on about Barca,
augie wrote:I suppose if we really want to sort this now wenger should go to cesc and ask him straight out what he wants to do and if he says he wants out then tell him that he can only leave if barca pay the £40m or €50m transfer fee within the next 7-10 days and that if they do not then he will be staying
We now that he wants to go...at some point.
It would be better management not to ask but to put it another way to Cesc and say:
"We know you eventually want to go back to Spain, but at as it stands at the moment we obviously don't want to sell you. But Barcalona are under valuing you and arent bothered to pay near a realistic value for you.
So Cesc, unless they really want this summer you will have to show them this season what they're missing"
The problem with that scenario is that there is no finishing line - as the potential selling club the power should lie with us therefore we need to be setting the parameters of this deal and that is x amount of money with this timeframe or else fcuk off
flash gunner wrote:What bugs me about modern day Arsenal fans is they think we are the most perfect club in the world and its just not true i have written this 3 times now but in many ways Barca havent been worse than anyone else in this transfer saga and we will receive big big money at some point as opposed to us who obviously persuaded Chamakh to let his contract run down so we could get him for fuck all so have the Bordeaux forums been slagging us off? Im sure we 'had no class etc etc etc'
Yeah, agree with that. Said the same on one of the other Cesc threads earlier in the summer. And not only that but Wenger was publicly talking up Chamakh in the press the whole time, despite previously claiming he doesn't like managers talking about other club's players.
I do think there's a difference in commenting on a players overall performance and praising him up and talking speaking about a possible transfer.
Wenger can say that he like Chamack and has good technical ability blah blah....
As opposed to "We want Cesc here at Barca".
We did bid for Chamack in the summer but didn't meet Bordeauxs valuation. Is that a lack of class or similar to the Cesc situation now?
Personally no.
As Bordeaux wanted something like £10M for a player with one year remaining. Wenger disagreed and was willing to offer £5M.
Obviously talks broke down and dispite links with Liverpool and other clubs he signed for Arsenal on a free.
Arsenal didn't even announced the deal until after the French league had finished despite what was being said in France.
flash gunner wrote:What bugs me about modern day Arsenal fans is they think we are the most perfect club in the world and its just not true i have written this 3 times now but in many ways Barca havent been worse than anyone else in this transfer saga and we will receive big big money at some point as opposed to us who obviously persuaded Chamakh to let his contract run down so we could get him for fuck all so have the Bordeaux forums been slagging us off? Im sure we 'had no class etc etc etc'
Yeah, agree with that. Said the same on one of the other Cesc threads earlier in the summer. And not only that but Wenger was publicly talking up Chamakh in the press the whole time, despite previously claiming he doesn't like managers talking about other club's players.
I do think there's a difference in commenting on a players overall performance and praising him up and talking speaking about a possible transfer.
Wenger can say that he like Chamack and has good technical ability blah blah....
As opposed to "We want Cesc here at Barca".
We did bid for Chamack in the summer but didn't meet Bordeauxs valuation. Is that a lack of class or similar to the Cesc situation now?
Personally no.
As Bordeaux wanted something like £10M for a player with one year remaining. Wenger disagreed and was willing to offer £5M.
Obviously talks broke down and dispite links with Liverpool and other clubs he signed for Arsenal on a free.
Arsenal didn't even announced the deal until after the French league had finished despite what was being said in France.
As we say Bordeaux over priced Chamakh Barcelona could say we are over pricing Cesc....... If Cesc sits tight sees out his contract and then goes to Braca for nothing i suppose they will be classless again? You cant have it both ways!!!! As for Wenger praising form but not saying we want him thats splitting hairs its all the same thing said in differing ways with the intention of getting the player
Every manager is a hypocrite, its part of the job. Wenger is probably one of the lesser offenders
Plus Flash, Chamkach wa sin the final year of his contract, Arsenal offered a pretty reasonable price for someone who was going to go on a free soon. Bordeaux held out trying to up it or get him to sign a new one. No doubt had he been on a longer contract we would have offered more. Imo Bordeaux have only themselevs to blame for the way that went.
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augie wrote:I suppose if we really want to sort this now wenger should go to cesc and ask him straight out what he wants to do and if he says he wants out then tell him that he can only leave if barca pay the £40m or €50m transfer fee within the next 7-10 days and that if they do not then he will be staying
We now that he wants to go...at some point.
It would be better management not to ask but to put it another way to Cesc and say:
"We know you eventually want to go back to Spain, but at as it stands at the moment we obviously don't want to sell you. But Barcalona are under valuing you and arent bothered to pay near a realistic value for you.
So Cesc, unless they really want this summer you will have to show them this season what they're missing"
The problem with that scenario is that there is no finishing line - as the potential selling club the power should lie with us therefore we need to be setting the parameters of this deal and that is x amount of money with this timeframe or else fcuk off
Okay re-phrased
"We know you eventually want to go back to Spain, but at as it stands at the moment we obviously don't want to sell you. But Barcalona are under valuing you and arent bothered to pay near a realistic value for you. So Cesc, unless they really want, and they have until next week to show us how much they really value you, after which you will have to show them this season what they missed"
Had enough of the whole thing, and just wish it was resolved, I still believe the club will allow him to leave this summer, and as I've said before, we won't get more than £35mil.
And even if we were to get £60mil. does anybody in their right mind really think that it will be invested in the squad? Will it fuck! any fee will go to towards the mortgage just as the cash for Ade and Toure did.
Wenger will tell us the same shite he told us when Vieira and Henry left. about believing in this group of players, and once again there will be enough fucking idiots willing to believe him.
Boomer wrote:I do think there's a difference in commenting on a players overall performance and praising him up and talking speaking about a possible transfer.
Wenger can say that he like Chamack and has good technical ability blah blah....
As opposed to "We want Cesc here at Barca".
We did bid for Chamack in the summer but didn't meet Bordeauxs valuation. Is that a lack of class or similar to the Cesc situation now?
Personally no.
As Bordeaux wanted something like £10M for a player with one year remaining. Wenger disagreed and was willing to offer £5M.
Obviously talks broke down and dispite links with Liverpool and other clubs he signed for Arsenal on a free.
Arsenal didn't even announced the deal until after the French league had finished despite what was being said in France.
It’s not exactly the same, no. But you could argue that talking about how much you rate a player & so on is more disingenuous than stating outright that you want to sign them. You say we made a bid that was rejected but at some point I’m sure I remember the Bordeaux chairman claiming he hadn’t heard from Arsenal directly but Wenger had been talking about him, and possibly even to him. He could have been bluffing of course. And if unconfirmed reported bids justify Wenger talking publicly about Chamakh, then likewise Barca have reportedly made bids for Cesc. I thought you yourself had said it was £29m? So by that criteria Barca wouldn't be any more in the worng than us. Could be wrong though, I stand corrected if I am.
I dont like Barca's tactics, I think they're sneaky arrogant pricks. But all clubs are at it in one form or another, including us.
flash gunner wrote:What bugs me about modern day Arsenal fans is they think we are the most perfect club in the world and its just not true i have written this 3 times now but in many ways Barca havent been worse than anyone else in this transfer saga and we will receive big big money at some point as opposed to us who obviously persuaded Chamakh to let his contract run down so we could get him for fuck all so have the Bordeaux forums been slagging us off? Im sure we 'had no class etc etc etc'
Yeah, agree with that. Said the same on one of the other Cesc threads earlier in the summer. And not only that but Wenger was publicly talking up Chamakh in the press the whole time, despite previously claiming he doesn't like managers talking about other club's players.
I do think there's a difference in commenting on a players overall performance and praising him up and talking speaking about a possible transfer.
Wenger can say that he like Chamack and has good technical ability blah blah....
As opposed to "We want Cesc here at Barca".
We did bid for Chamack in the summer but didn't meet Bordeauxs valuation. Is that a lack of class or similar to the Cesc situation now?
Personally no.
As Bordeaux wanted something like £10M for a player with one year remaining. Wenger disagreed and was willing to offer £5M.
Obviously talks broke down and dispite links with Liverpool and other clubs he signed for Arsenal on a free.
Arsenal didn't even announced the deal until after the French league had finished despite what was being said in France.
As we say Bordeaux over priced Chamakh Barcelona could say we are over pricing Cesc....... If Cesc sits tight sees out his contract and then goes to Braca for nothing i suppose they will be classless again? You cant have it both ways!!!! As for Wenger praising form but not saying we want him thats splitting hairs its all the same thing said in differing ways with the intention of getting the player
Come on flash! We know realistically he's not worth more then Ronaldo. But on the flipside we shouldn't be accepting £29M. They has to be a half way house.
Bordeaux were prepared to keep Chamack as they'd gain around £10M through the Champion league. So it was win-win for them.
flash gunner wrote:What bugs me about modern day Arsenal fans is they think we are the most perfect club in the world and its just not true i have written this 3 times now but in many ways Barca havent been worse than anyone else in this transfer saga and we will receive big big money at some point as opposed to us who obviously persuaded Chamakh to let his contract run down so we could get him for fuck all so have the Bordeaux forums been slagging us off? Im sure we 'had no class etc etc etc'
Yeah, agree with that. Said the same on one of the other Cesc threads earlier in the summer. And not only that but Wenger was publicly talking up Chamakh in the press the whole time, despite previously claiming he doesn't like managers talking about other club's players.
I do think there's a difference in commenting on a players overall performance and praising him up and talking speaking about a possible transfer.
Wenger can say that he like Chamack and has good technical ability blah blah....
As opposed to "We want Cesc here at Barca".
We did bid for Chamack in the summer but didn't meet Bordeauxs valuation. Is that a lack of class or similar to the Cesc situation now?
Personally no.
As Bordeaux wanted something like £10M for a player with one year remaining. Wenger disagreed and was willing to offer £5M.
Obviously talks broke down and dispite links with Liverpool and other clubs he signed for Arsenal on a free.
Arsenal didn't even announced the deal until after the French league had finished despite what was being said in France.
As we say Bordeaux over priced Chamakh Barcelona could say we are over pricing Cesc....... If Cesc sits tight sees out his contract and then goes to Braca for nothing i suppose they will be classless again? You cant have it both ways!!!! As for Wenger praising form but not saying we want him thats splitting hairs its all the same thing said in differing ways with the intention of getting the player
Come on flash! We know realistically he's not worth more then Ronaldo. But on the flipside we shouldn't be accepting £29M. They has to be a half way house.
Bordeaux were prepared to keep Chamack as they'd gain around £10M through the Champion league. So it was win-win for them.
sorry but anyone thinking we operate in different ways to other clubs need to take the Arsenal (i wont say rosetinted) glasses off. There may be differences in the Chamakh transfer but its minimal. Still if Cesc goes on a free in 3 years or so Barca will still be cunts but we are whiter than white
