The board(this is especially for USmartin )

[mcdowell42]

Please can you use this thread for your problems with the board so the rest of us dont have to keep reading about your obsession in every fucking thread on the forum.Its getting to be a right pain in the arse.Anybody else who wants to debate with you can do so on here so we dont all have to suffer.

[flash gunner]

Well played mcdowell.... If there was an anti-cunt thread you would deserve a place in it

[merson_is_god]

Loving the avatar McDowell!!!

[USMartin]

I'm only commenting out of respect for the avatar and appreciation of your effort but if I want topen threads on there matters I will and have done beofre and will again.

But let's make this useful a moment. Why would you just want to moan about problems and avoid discussion their source and potentially their solution? Seriously - I have been at this for years questioning the Board and its policies and many of things happening now I warned would happen years earlier.

I'm not some johnny-come-lately, and I have the scars to prove it so to speak from battling to warn people the road Arsenal was headed down wasn't as glory-paved or safe as we were being promised since as far back as 2000 when I feared the money men had taken control of the football club from the football men first..

Okay but back to you - why would you just want to moan about problems instead of trying to do sonething about them and addressing the cause of those problems? Is it a lack of desire to do anything? A lack of belief anything can be done? Or is it just ypu think this place isn't about seriously discussing what's right or wrong about Arsenal but just puffing our chests out to yell and moan?

There is a very negative domino effect at work here to the Board's actions. Change their actions for the better and you change that effect for the better. Just like if there is a crimewave in your community. IT effects your lives possibly your livelihoods, your whole way of life even if you don't get mugged or beat up yourself.

Now I can understand to some extent saying we're not gonna stand up against that because their is a real physical risk involved - even if you are homeowner or your home's value is decreased by the crooks taking up on the streetcorner. That isn't the case here. What's at risk to seriously look the problem here and elsewhere?

You can answer me because you obviously know it bothers you so you must know why you'd rather just rant purposely instead of consider problems and trying to solve them.

[QuartzGooner]

USMartin, what winds people up, is your insistence on bringing up the matter of "The Board" on unrelated or very loosely related threads.

No one says you cannot bring the subject up on appropriate threads.
No one thinks it an irrelevant subject.
No one is totally happy with the team at the moment, especially compared to a golden era of 1998 - 2006.

People on the Forum have helpfully suggested that you contact existing supporter groups, who have an infrastructure to raise complaints, and an established dialogue with and recognition by the club.

I also suggested low cost ways that you could publicise your concerns through New Media, ways in which your living in the USA rather than London would not be a hindrance.

Instead of taking this advice, you reject it, and go on to berate people who do not share your views for lacking "Moral Fibre" by not flying your anti - Board flag themselves!

It has got to the stage where some members of this Forum either think you are bizarrely fixated with an anti-board campaign, or are a propaganda stooge for an element plotting a takeover.

Recognise that some people do not share all of your views on the club, and do not see the club as an evil entity, and wish to work with the club for "Reform" rather than against it for "Revolution".

[I Hate Hleb]

Oh shit.........

[mcdowell42]

Look USMARTIN ive no problem with you our your concerns with the board all im saying i dont think there is a need to have it rammed down our throats all the time. I accept there will be certain threads that will bring up the subject and fair enough but every thread u manage to post in you bring up the board.I find it admirable you have such strong views but all im saying is some of us (i think) arent that concerned.

Only uploaded that avatar the other day thought people might like it

[I Hate Hleb]

I must remember to ask Mike Francis/gooner.ed for a massive pay rise commensurate to the extra work load!!!

[USMartin]

USMartin, what winds people up, is your insistence on bringing up the matter of "The Board" on unrelated or very loosely related threads.

No one says you cannot bring the subject up on appropriate threads.
No one thinks it an irrelevant subject.
No one is totally happy with the team at the moment, especially compared to a golden era of 1998 - 2006.

People on the Forum have helpfully suggested that you contact existing supporter groups, who have an infrastructure to raise complaints, and an established dialogue with and recognition by the club.

I also suggested low cost ways that you could publicise your concerns through New Media, ways in which your living in the USA rather than London (if indeed you do?) would not be a hindrance.

Instead of taking this advice, you reject it, and go on to berate people who do not share your views for lacking "Moral Fibre" by not flying your anti - Board flag themselves!

Recognise that some people do not share all of your views on the club, and do not see the club as an evil entity, and wish to work with the club for "Reform" rather than against it for "Revolution".

What a load of crap. Your helpful advice is every bit as genuine as your notion that supporters should lobby Parliament or the EU to ban debt-leveraged club purchases instead fo asking the Board to state that they would not sell the club as part of such as purchase. Indeed that is the sort of thing that would lead one to question someone's moral fibre something I have not in fact done really until now though you state otherwise.

Nor have I actually berated anyone to this point. Argued my views? Yes Questioned other views? Yes but berated anyone? No. That is simply untrue.

Anti-Board flag? Again that is patently dishonest. I have stated repeatedly that I have no problem with the Board seeking to run Arsenal at a profit and even at the Board receiving some of that profit as reward for their work and return on their investment and that I would support the current Board fully if they resumed the sort of investment that had taken place prior to 2005. I have no personal greivance with the Board. I am concerned they are not acting in the best interest of Arsenal Football Club . Its a shame you delibertaely continue to deliberately misrepresent what I say. YOUR moral fibre certainly is in question from me now.

Especially reading this wbit about working with the club for "reform". What is this? What sort of reform? Arsenalisation? Replacing "the Wonder of You?" You can't be serious here. You're the one who tried to discourage me earlier saying the Board wouldn't answer questions they didn't want to and won't answer most questions anyway. But now you say you're working with club for reform? What a sad joke. You'd rather let the Board destroy Arsenal then question the Board because you believe more in the Board and what it stands for now than the club itself . Consider this a berating.

[mcdowell42]

USMartin, what winds people up, is your insistence on bringing up the matter of "The Board" on unrelated or very loosely related threads.

No one says you cannot bring the subject up on appropriate threads.
No one thinks it an irrelevant subject.
No one is totally happy with the team at the moment, especially compared to a golden era of 1998 - 2006.

People on the Forum have helpfully suggested that you contact existing supporter groups, who have an infrastructure to raise complaints, and an established dialogue with and recognition by the club.

I also suggested low cost ways that you could publicise your concerns through New Media, ways in which your living in the USA rather than London (if indeed you do?) would not be a hindrance.

Instead of taking this advice, you reject it, and go on to berate people who do not share your views for lacking "Moral Fibre" by not flying your anti - Board flag themselves!

Recognise that some people do not share all of your views on the club, and do not see the club as an evil entity, and wish to work with the club for "Reform" rather than against it for "Revolution".

What a load of crap. Your helpful advice is every bit as genuine as your notion that supporters should lobby Parliament or the EU to ban debt-leveraged club purchases instead fo asking the Board to state that they would not sell the club as part of such as purchase. Indeed that is the sort of thing that would lead one to question someone's moral fibre something I have not in fact done really until now though you state otherwise.

Nor have I actually berated anyone to this point. Argued my views? Yes Questioned other views? Yes but berated anyone? No. That is simply untrue.

Anti-Board flag? Again that is patently dishonest. I have stated repeatedly that I have no problem with the Board seeking to run Arsenal at a profit and even at the Board receiving some of that profit as reward for their work and return on their investment and that I would support the current Board fully if they resumed the sort of investment that had taken place prior to 2005. I have no personal greivance with the Board. I am concerned they are not acting in the best interest of Arsenal Football Club . Its a shame you delibertaely continue to deliberately misrepresent what I say. YOUR moral fibre certainly is in question from me now.

Especially reading this wbit about working with the club for "reform". What is this? What sort of reform? Arsenalisation? Replacing "the Wonder of You?" You can't be serious here. You're the one who tried to discourage me earlier saying the Board wouldn't answer questions they didn't want to and won't answer most questions anyway. But now you say you're working with club for reform? What a sad joke. You'd rather let the Board destroy Arsenal then question the Board because you believe more in the Board and what it stands for now than the club itself . Consider this a berating.

Do you like my avatar

[PI7ES]

We need a mod or someone willing to bullet point USmartins posts, because after reading the first few lines i always question is it really worth me reading all this and give up.

Would be rather helpful

[Chips and Chocolate]

Martin, why do you feel the need to post such long posts every fuckin' time!!!

[USMartin]

Look USMARTIN ive no problem with you our your concerns with the board all im saying i dont think there is a need to have it rammed down our throats all the time. I accept there will be certain threads that will bring up the subject and fair enough but every thread u manage to post in you bring up the board.I find it admirable you have such strong views but all im saying is some of us (i think) arent that concerned.

Only uploaded that avatar the other day thought people might like it

Again let me applaud your delightful avatar

I understand your point - all I'm saying is that this why you should be that concerned. I mean just answer me this these all these things happen all the time before 2005 the same way as now?

Of course players were sold or asked to leave but do you vividly remember another period where there was this much upheaval at the club? All I'm saying is there is a specific problem and all these threads are about symptoms or consequences of that problem, and if you are that concerned about what is happening maybe you should be that concerned about why its happening. Otherwise why be so concerned its happening if you don't care why? If we cared why maybe we could put enough pressure on those resposible to fix it to fix it. Maybe not as some suggest but I'll know I'll feel a whole lot better for trying no matter what happens form there. So would you I'll bet.

[Sutch]

MartinUS? This is the first time I've even heard of him, why does everything happen in my abscenses?

[REB]

another fun night to be had on the gooner forum