ALL YOU DO IS FCUKING MOAN

[GoonerJim]

I see that the forum has now just become a place for most arsenal fans to just moan about arsenal not winning things and arsenal not buying anyone why dont you all just go and follow manshity and leave the club to fans that dont just moan for the sake of it , yes i know that arsenal havn`t won anything in 5 years but thats nothing and to say things like sack the manager when he is the best we ever had is madness and the time to panic is when he isn`t here anymore trust me

Go on my son, well said Hatch'. It breaks my heart to hear Arsenal slagged of by 'fans'. This place is obviously a haunt for anti-gooners. But stay and fight the good fight, and when the club flourishes after a few years of hard work and sarcrifice you'll be safe in the knowledge that you never turned your back on Arsenal.

Keep contributing Hatch'

The bit I've highlighted is total and utter bollocks.

Apart from the odd troll, we are all Gooners. Which you would know if you visited regularly.

No it's not. Choose any thread you like, have a browse, and you'll see what I mean.

And I do visit regularly !

The members button isn't working. So I can't have a look at your previous twelve posts.

You only joined here in January. So maybe you haven't been around long enough to know the personalities on here?

If you genuinely believe there are a load of "antiGooners" on here, then you need a ckeck-up from the neck up.

Personally, I'm pro-Wenger and pro-board. There are others here who are anti both, but are passionate Arsenal supporters. Who are you to accuse them of being anything other than true Gooners?

One of PHFC's minions perhaps?

[USMartin]

Please shut the fuck up about the board, i follow arsenal up and down the country, accross europe spending thousands a year doing so. I can see that knowone is spending large amounts apart from city.


I couldnt give a shit about the board, i go out and support the team.

Maybe that's you're problem - you couldn't give a shit. Yet I'll bet you have more than enough goees at the players who aren't good enough or the team not being good enough every so often. The point is the Board changes its priorities has more than a bit to do with it. But if you wat to ignore that I suggest you also don't criticize any players or performances because its not constructive to just say "he's shite" really is it?

As for you spending thousands of dollars I do as well every time I'm over for a mtch or two or if I'm lucky more. So that effort to seperate yourself isn't working here. I will say I give you full credit for supporting the club as you do and iif anything its supporters like you who the Boiard are treating worst of all even if you don't want to see it. They are using your loyality to blind you to their mis--management of the club's best interests.

[greengooner]

I see that the forum has now just become a place for most arsenal fans to just moan about arsenal not winning things and arsenal not buying anyone why dont you all just go and follow manshity and leave the club to fans that dont just moan for the sake of it , yes i know that arsenal havn`t won anything in 5 years but thats nothing and to say things like sack the manager when he is the best we ever had is madness and the time to panic is when he isn`t here anymore trust me

Go on my son, well said Hatch'. It breaks my heart to hear Arsenal slagged of by 'fans'. This place is obviously a haunt for anti-gooners. But stay and fight the good fight, and when the club flourishes after a few years of hard work and sarcrifice you'll be safe in the knowledge that you never turned your back on Arsenal.

Keep contributing Hatch'

Generally i would try not to rise to shit posts like this but i just have to say you appear to be a grade A prick, who the fuck on here has ever turned their back on Arsenal, Please pack up your 12 posts and head for the official forum, just search PRAVDA.com and you will fit right in.

[USMartin]

I see that the forum has now just become a place for most arsenal fans to just moan about arsenal not winning things and arsenal not buying anyone why dont you all just go and follow manshity and leave the club to fans that dont just moan for the sake of it , yes i know that arsenal havn`t won anything in 5 years but thats nothing and to say things like sack the manager when he is the best we ever had is madness and the time to panic is when he isn`t here anymore trust me

Go on my son, well said Hatch'. It breaks my heart to hear Arsenal slagged of by 'fans'. This place is obviously a haunt for anti-gooners. But stay and fight the good fight, and when the club flourishes after a few years of hard work and sarcrifice you'll be safe in the knowledge that you never turned your back on Arsenal.

Keep contributing Hatch'

Generally i would try not to rise to shit posts like this but i just have to say you appear to be a grade A prick, who the fuck on here has ever turned their back on Arsenal, Please pack up your 12 posts and head for the official forum, just search PRAVDA.com and you will fit right in.

You could - simply could - argue that those who want to trust the Board without any exception or question are turning their back on the club, You could certainly argue it if they are wrong and we end up part iof a debt-leveraged takeover that makes the disappoint and decline of the last five years seem utterly trivial.

Blind faith can be just as damaging to the club as utter skepticism. So can it than be said blind faithers have truened their back on doing what's best for Arsenal?

I don't think so myself but given how these people treat people who don't share their views its interesting to consider how they like seeing such commen=ts made toward them.

[Boomer]

That is bollocks, they dont pay dividends so why would they want that ? Maybe its the fact that we are massively in debt and cant really go out and spend 60 mil every season to compete with transfers with city. we need to balance the books. Unless we sell out to a super rich sugar daddy.

Is it Bollocks though? After all Dan Fiszman has made at least 30 million in profits already and could make another 50-60 million yet, and Lady Nina is Looking a up to and eve 100 million in PROFITS. How muich of that will go back into Arsenal do you suppose? Even as a parting gift and display of appreciation for the wealth the club has afforded them?.

And let's remeber Dan Fiszman never paid more than 2000 GBP a share and Lady Nina Like the Carr family generation that sold to Stan Kroenke and Peter Hill_wood NEVER PAID A PENNY for their shares themselves.

And not one of them actually - as Peter Hill-Wood has BRAGGED - ever paid a penny into the club other than when buying shares though as we are seeing they are profiting quite handsomely from the club. Even David Conn actually has reported on this fact in one fo the few instances where the English media hasn't waited for the club to tell them what theywwanted to tell them before reporting on it.

And these are the "Custodians of the Club". One can only imagine what happens if and when they sell to people with even less Arsenal Blood in them> I shudder thinking about it. Frankly I wish they were taking dividends now instead of looking to sell out for the really big money.

But can you really say that biglunn is talking bollocks here knowing all that above?

I don't know if you read my previous post but I think Biglunns words were misunderstood. (see my post)

Through the years the board of Directors have never been known to invest there own money into the club.
The idea that they are using there postion of power to raise the value of there share's is a bit far fetched.
With the expection of the two foriegn owners and Gazidis, who's the CEO, all are Arsenal supporters.
There sole goal is to look after the running of the club. Remember they are a board and not an owner of a club.

[Louder]

I see that the forum has now just become a place for most arsenal fans to just moan about arsenal not winning things and arsenal not buying anyone why dont you all just go and follow manshity and leave the club to fans that dont just moan for the sake of it , yes i know that arsenal havn`t won anything in 5 years but thats nothing and to say things like sack the manager when he is the best we ever had is madness and the time to panic is when he isn`t here anymore trust me

Go on my son, well said Hatch'. It breaks my heart to hear Arsenal slagged of by 'fans'. This place is obviously a haunt for anti-gooners. But stay and fight the good fight, and when the club flourishes after a few years of hard work and sarcrifice you'll be safe in the knowledge that you never turned your back on Arsenal.

Keep contributing Hatch'

Generally i would try not to rise to shit posts like this but i just have to say you appear to be a grade A prick, who the fuck on here has ever turned their back on Arsenal, Please pack up your 12 posts and head for the official forum, just search PRAVDA.com and you will fit right in.

I don't like accusing gooners of such a thing, but if you look back you'll find plenty who campaigned for 'fans' to turn and walk out at the last home game of last season when the team walked round the pitch. Or doesn't this count.
No one seemed to actually do it, which leads me to think that I'm in the majority ! Ohhhh Haaapppyyy daaaayyyyyssssss

Honest question, and I mean this sincerely. Most paddies aren't too keen on the English but they all support our football teams, why ?

[Louder]

I see that the forum has now just become a place for most arsenal fans to just moan about arsenal not winning things and arsenal not buying anyone why dont you all just go and follow manshity and leave the club to fans that dont just moan for the sake of it , yes i know that arsenal havn`t won anything in 5 years but thats nothing and to say things like sack the manager when he is the best we ever had is madness and the time to panic is when he isn`t here anymore trust me

Go on my son, well said Hatch'. It breaks my heart to hear Arsenal slagged of by 'fans'. This place is obviously a haunt for anti-gooners. But stay and fight the good fight, and when the club flourishes after a few years of hard work and sarcrifice you'll be safe in the knowledge that you never turned your back on Arsenal.

Keep contributing Hatch'

Generally i would try not to rise to shit posts like this but i just have to say you appear to be a grade A prick, who the fuck on here has ever turned their back on Arsenal, Please pack up your 12 posts and head for the official forum, just search PRAVDA.com and you will fit right in.

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[USMartin]

AWWWWWWWW I'm hurt by your childish crap

You got me good.

Tosser.

Grade A might be about right

Why should anyone give a shit what you think when you play these kiddie games? I've wasted enough time with you aready obviously.

Have a nice day then.

[Monkeymaw]

Without being rude, I think a lot of you guys need to get out more.

[USMartin]

That is bollocks, they dont pay dividends so why would they want that ? Maybe its the fact that we are massively in debt and cant really go out and spend 60 mil every season to compete with transfers with city. we need to balance the books. Unless we sell out to a super rich sugar daddy.

Is it Bollocks though? After all Dan Fiszman has made at least 30 million in profits already and could make another 50-60 million yet, and Lady Nina is Looking a up to and eve 100 million in PROFITS. How muich of that will go back into Arsenal do you suppose? Even as a parting gift and display of appreciation for the wealth the club has afforded them?.

And let's remeber Dan Fiszman never paid more than 2000 GBP a share and Lady Nina Like the Carr family generation that sold to Stan Kroenke and Peter Hill_wood NEVER PAID A PENNY for their shares themselves.

And not one of them actually - as Peter Hill-Wood has BRAGGED - ever paid a penny into the club other than when buying shares though as we are seeing they are profiting quite handsomely from the club. Even David Conn actually has reported on this fact in one fo the few instances where the English media hasn't waited for the club to tell them what theywwanted to tell them before reporting on it.

And these are the "Custodians of the Club". One can only imagine what happens if and when they sell to people with even less Arsenal Blood in them> I shudder thinking about it. Frankly I wish they were taking dividends now instead of looking to sell out for the really big money.

But can you really say that biglunn is talking bollocks here knowing all that above?

I don't know if you read my previous post but I think Biglunns words were misunderstood. (see my post)

Through the years the board of Directors have never been known to invest there own money into the club.
The idea that they are using there postion of power to raise the value of there share's is a bit far fetched.
With the expection of the two foriegn owners and Gazidis, who's the CEO, all are Arsenal supporters.
There sole goal is to look after the running of the club. Remember they are a board and not an owner of a club.

I don't see such a misunderstanding honestly unless you are looking at a different post than I am. Indeed a lot of what he writes particularly about Mr. Wenger is bang-on and in line completely with my own view. I mean he refers to maximizing profits being their sole goal and behavior like that as unethical.

I don't see your interpretation as being very accurate with all due respect unless as I say there is another post I've missed somewhere.

BTW is that last series of points your words or your interpretation of his words in theis thread or elsewhere maybe?

[biglunn]

The thing with the Arsenal board is that they just want to maximise their profits. That is THE number one objective. They have been successful doing that by just doing enough to scrape by getting a Champions League spot. They dont really have to spend much more, so long as we are just about better than the chasing pack - the likes of Spurs, Villa, ManCity, and Liverpool. ManCity will break through into the top 4, and the board will be happy just to finish above the rest.

That in itself might be forgivable, the the most worrying thing is that Arsene is in with this board. And this is the saddest thing - that the manager is more motivated by saving rather than winning. I would not be surprised that Arsene`s pay stucture is geared towards club profits than actually winning trophies, and I think that is plain completely unethical.

Do you believe Arsene when he says at the start of the season that Arsenal are good enough to challenge? Cmon.... he KNOWS what a winning team looks like (heck he has assembled a few) but I believe he is telling a plain and simple lie. I dont buy this `he is just stubborn` excuse that some make for him. He KNOWS that we are not good enough to challenge - and he is playing the game by pulling the wool over the supporters eyes and fulfilling the boards needs to run things as cheaply as possible by just ensuring CL qualification.

Something has changed since Dein was forced out. And we are worse off.

That is bollocks, they dont pay dividends so why would they want that ? Maybe its the fact that we are massively in debt and cant really go out and spend 60 mil every season to compete with transfers with city. we need to balance the books. Unless we sell out to a super rich sugar daddy.

I didn't want to post in here due to the negativity but just wanted to say that I read that the same way....at first.
But what Biglunn means is that the board are using there's powers to maximise there position and power to gain as much money for the club. Not for self gain.

Profits as such was the wrong word. I am aware that they dont take their dividends - Boomer you understood me correctly.

BUT.... I stand by my decision that it is unethical for Arsene to be motivated by finishing 4th - iis teams like Spurs & Liverpool (who have not won titles for ages) who are entitled to think like this.

Arsene is smart enough to know that this squad is simply not good enough to challenge for anything - he knows how to win trophies and with what players to do it with - and he is simply lying when he says that we can challenge (with the likes of Diaby, Denilson, Walcott etc) in the team. Id rather he shut up that conn us like that.

[USMartin]

Without being rude, I think a lot of you guys need to get out more.

POST OF THE YEAR And I know who you mean

[USMartin]

Fair enough then, I stand corrected and Boomer's interpretation is correct, though based on what's actually written mine can be as well.

I would also suggest that what is actually written whether meant that way or otherwise still reads pretty spot-on to me because if the Board sell out to anyone they woill make more money more quickly than they would be taking dividends and if they just take all those profits and offer none of it to the club that will be as bad or even worse than had they taken dividends at some point.

[GunnerDude]

Its about time this thread was closed, there is no debate to be had here just pointless bickering.

[spoona]

Fair enough then, I stand corrected and Boomer's iterpreatation is correct, though based on what's actually written mine can be as well.

I would also suggest that what is actually written whether meant that way or otherwise still reads pretty spot-on to me because if the Board sell out to anyone they woill make more money more quickly than they would be taking dividends and if they just take all those profits and offer none of it to the club that will be as bad or even worse than had they taken dividends at some point.

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