NOT GOOD ENOUGH

[REB]

ather a fine start to the season we now find our selfs in second place and hav drifted out to 5-2 in the bookies and the bookies rarely get it wrong , we have everton on sat and do we really believe we will get a result at goodison
the last 4-5 matches we have been bad, 451 style clearly doesnt work for us as we never seem to have fluid moves the way we did when we took the game to teams at the start of the season,
i know im not the only one who feels like this but our lack of quality is now starting to hurt us,
questions,,,,
why does wenger play 451 when he told us we have enough up front
why does eboue get a start every week
whats wrong with bendtner and eddie,does he not think there ready, if so then why say we have loads up front
why has hleb gone back to last seasons form
why cant rosicky score goals
what does wenger see in adebayor
do people think almunia is good enough for england when i feel he's not even good enough for arsenal
i hope im wrong but man u are on a roll while even when we win its a scrap ,
my fear is they will now pull away from us and none of us want that to happen,

arsene doesnt always know

[donaldo]

Couple of points rebel

Wenger hasn"t got faith in Nic,Eddie and Theo thats why he wont start them in the prem even though RVP has been out for nearly four months.We are stuck with Ade upfront on his own.After scoring 2 goals in the CL Theo was on fire and should have started at Anfield but Wenger dented his confidence by not playing him.His form has dipped since.The same with Eduardo

Helb and Rosicky are luxury players.Great when the team is playing well but where are they when you have to win playing ugly and have to roll your seleves up.Like Ronaldo does at Man Utd

Almunia is NOT good enough to be the Arsenal keeper let alone the English keeper.I said at the start of the season when Jens was in goal that none of our keepers were world class nothing has changed

As for Eboue dont get me started the ANC cant come quick enough.The guy is fucking crap

[T.S]

why does wenger play 451 when he told us we have enough up front?

Because he doesn’t see Eduardo as being ready and there is an incompatibility between Adebayor and Bedntner

why does eboue get a start every week?

He fills a gap. You can tell that Arsene doesn’t see him as an integral part of the team because he takes him off every week.

whats wrong with bendtner and eddie,does he not think there ready, if so then why say we have loads up front?

No, I don’t think he thinks they’re ready. I don’t remember him saying we have loads up front, but if he did, he obviously thought we had the right balance – people who aren’t going to bitch too much about not getting in the team, whilst gaining an education and becoming better players in the meantime, and thus, building healthy competition for a starting lineup place. I don’t think Bendtner is far off a start, and I think the boss said that we’d have to wait until after January to see the best out of Eduardo.

why has hleb gone back to last seasons form?

Ridiculous. He’s only been back from injury for a couple of games. Give the guy a break.

why cant rosicky score goals?

That’s not his game. It never has been, even when he was in Dortmund. He’ll pop up now and then with an irrelevant goal, but on the whole, he isn’t a goalscorer. Anyway, it doesn’t help that he’s being played out of position.

what does wenger see in adebayor?

A fans favourite who is growing in confidence and who provides a good outlet for the team.

do people think almunia is good enough for England?

No. Actually, I guess that, in a funny way that makes my answer ‘yes’!




Christ on a bike, I know that you lot all think I’m depressing, but fuck me; what are most of you on about? Talk about an overreaction! Is the prophecy being fulfilled? Are we going to lose our Champions League place to a resurgent Sp*rs side who are growing financially, whilst we are struggling to compete with a crippling debt on our backs which no one bargained for? Is it fuck.

You might say to me, “we are the Arsenal, and we should never be pleased with a second place finish,â€

[Drone]

Maybe Arsene dont want to show the tactics in front fo wery wery tought time, we will face Milan and we are not in bad position in the league, and cups also. So dont get me wrong but when i challenge someone its wery easy for me to challenge someone who i know and who i seen in game no mater how good he is, but its mutch harder to challenge someone who i never seen play. So i think this is the tactic of Arsene about Eduardo and bentner, as well as with other players. As about ar first team they looked wery wery tired yesterday at Portsmuth, but dont forged how many of ex Arsenal players playing for Portsmuth, and i never seen the best of Arsenal against tham.

[DERRY GOONER]

whya have a squad of 20 odd players, if u only pick the same 11 players every week?? ferguson has been rotating his players the past few weeks, even if its only in 1 or 2 positions, just 2 freshen things up, and give players a break. our man isnt doing this why???

as some1 said about clichy, he cant cross a ball 2 save his life, no matter how good he is. why not give him a break and use traore, for a few games 2 give gael a break. we wont lose anythging by doing it, traore is pretty much in the same mould anyways. i think flamini also needs a rest. give diaby a few game, or diarria. adebayor has been good this season, but 2 be honest hes a lazy git, but playing every week up front on ure own dosent help. give him a rest also. rvp will start when fit, im sure but use nik for a few games.

man u yeaterday, were able 2 start without tevez, and took ronaldo off after 56 mins. i know it was only sunderland, but it seems none of our starting 11 r getting rested.

west ham at home, and burnley in the cup, r certianlly games were he should look 2 freshen it up. certianlly in the burnley game , he must play 1 of djouro or big phil, and still with them for a month, during kolos absence. whatever changes he makes, hes gotta go back to 4-4-2, its what were best at.

[REB]

tony saunders,,
since you picked my post to peices and you are entitled to your opinion,,

adebayor a fans favorite,, beg to differ,
rosicky doesnt score goals,
why not he can shoot cant he

almunia

and eboue he fills a gap, sorry but that is not good enough

give hleb a break
he has gone back to last years form, afraid to shoot and over elaborate on the ball, not like he was at the start of the season.

and im sorry but we are a big club with money so the board tells us and we should be fighting for first place and not saying we'l take second,
simple fact is we are not as good as some on here think
and as for changing my outlook ,well no, ive been saying on here since the summer that our squad was too small and lacking in quailty and that is now starting to show,

[TheOne2Smooth]

tony saunders,,
since you picked my post to peices and you are entitled to your opinion,,

adebayor a fans favorite,, beg to differ,
rosicky doesnt score goals,
why not he can shoot cant he

almunia

and eboue he fills a gap, sorry but that is not good enough

give hleb a break
he has gone back to last years form, afraid to shoot and over elaborate on the ball, not like he was at the start of the season.

and im sorry but we are a big club with money so the board tells us and we should be fighting for first place and not saying we'l take second,
simple fact is we are not as good as some on here think
and as for changing my outlook ,well no, ive been saying on here that our squad was too small and lacking in quailty and that is now starting to show,

Fuck me Rebs (and thats not a offer lol)
at the start of the Season if someone told you we would be 2nd and only 2 points behind would you of took it???? chin up We are in a strong posistion mate and Wenger will strengthen if need be

[augie]

One thing for sure nobody can accuse me of changing my tune cos I was accused of being a doom and gloom merchant in the summer Seriously TS your analysis of ade is off the mark as I would say he is nowhere near a fans favourite and he is getting full of arrogance not confidence

This wobble we are on isnt a last few games thing if we are totally honest. A while back we were saying that it was good to be winning games when you are not playing well but we are still not playing well but now we are not winning those games(spurts apart). It is one thing for wenger to remain positive for the players but 4-5-1 isnt positive and from most of us are seeing on the pitch we have more reason to be afraid than confident.

This whole compatibility thing is getting on my tits too - is wenger bringing in strikers that are only compatible with van persie ?? If so given rvp's injury history then it goes beyond stupid - how can van persie get inj so often and for so long cos he is starting to make darren anderton look like the fittest player ever If he honestly thinks that none of the others can play together then he needs to buy a striker that can score goals and again I feel that anelka is the man here. I'd say that le boss's transfer stratedgy is showing major flaws right now and I am wondering if he focus on buying unknowns is as much to do with boosting his ego as a great talent spotter as it is for financial reasons. Put simply I feel that the 1st half of the season has shown up more negatives in squad size and quality that if they go unaddressed will have a major downside on our ambitions for the season. Over to you wenger

[Bring Back Pires]

Adebayor is the Premiership's second top goalscorer this season, with 10 goals.

If he keeps up the same ratio until the end of the season, he'll end up with 20 goals (in the league alone).

Therefore, dropping him would be a rather odd decision.

[augie]

When you score 10 goals in a team that creates as many chances as we do it should serve as a knock on adebayor not a pat on the back. Too many fans place way too much emphasis on stats like goals scored instead of judging a players performance and contribution over the 90 odd minutes a game lasts. I know ade has scored some good goals this season and important ones too but his attitude and workrate have dropped alarmingly from last season and appears to be traced to a line of arrogance. I still say he is nowhere near good enough to be a starter on a club with genuine league & champs lge ambitions but he would have been ideal as back -up to DB10 & henry in their day to provide "something different"

[Bring Back Pires]

I won't criticise Adebayor for ONLY scoring 10 goals. If we played typical 'route one' football and looked for him to be our only goal threat, then it would be a mildly disappointing tally.

But Wenger looks to get the whole team going forward - hence the above-par goal ratios of Pires and Ljungberg in recent years, and Fabregas this season. Therefore, with the emphasis not solely on Adebayor, his contributions to the rest of the team count just as much as the goals he's scored.

He is becoming slightly arrogant and lazy, but Henry and Kanu (respectively) were guilty of those crimes also, and that didn't stop them from becoming Arsenal legends. If his performance suffers because of it, then it's worth questioning - but at the moment, he's playing as well as can be expected in my view.

[REB]

adebayor for me has gone backwards since november, he was never going to be my favorite player but since rvp's injury he has taken on the mantle of head honcho in his eyes and got very lazy,
he took his goal well on sat and then went back into the im great mode, last nite v pompy he done fuck all in 90mins, and if wenger feels bentdner isnt up to it then he shouldnt have him on the bench and should have bought a proven goalscoring forward during the summer,

[Trevheff]

Rebel Gooner, good thread but really can't believe you asked "What does Wenger see in Adebayor". Yes he was very poor last night, but surely even David Blunkett can see how much he has improved and how good he can become??

4-5-1 doesn't work for me and that for one reason is why we haven't seen the best of Adebayor in recent matches. However he works his bollox off in the formation and playes a vital roll. He did nothing of note against Chelsea if you look at the highlights and key moments but the work he did leading the line throughout the game was vital to us getting 3 points.

Remember Henry in a 4-5-1? He was useless!! Bare that in mind when you evaluate Adebayor's efforts.

I think we see the best of Adebayor when he has a striker alongside him, but never underestimate the importance of his unseen work when he plays up top alone. I think he does have peaks and troughs in form, but when he's on his game defenders just can't live with him. Did you read Terry and Ferdinand's comments about him recently ahead of the Utd and Chelsea games??

Cast your mind back to the goals he got at Shite Hart Lane and Villa. When did we last have a striker who would get us goals like that?? For how long have we been crying out for an aerial presence?? And he's good on the deck to boot.

I maybe think he could do with a brief rest right now, but take him out of the team for any prolonged period ands you'll soon realise how important his is to us.

Sorry Rebel Gooner but you hit a nerve with that one.

One final point, Bendtner, Theo and Eduardo aren't yet ready (although I'd give Bendtner a game on Saturday). However if Arsene goes out and buys a striker in January, then next seson the 3 players I mention progress and are ready to contribute, how does Arsene keep Adebayor, RVP, Bendtner, Theo, Eduardo plus the new striker all happy? Unfortunately something has to be sacrificed to allow players to grow and develop. There's no point blocking players development for short term gain. It's detrimental in the long term. Frustrating as it is on nights like last night, Arsene knows what he's doing.

[arseneknows]

i agree trev,ade brings a hell of a lot to the table,and i know the likes of fabregas have benifitted from ades game,he pulls defenders all over the place with his movement which creates space for the midfield to exploit.

my only critism of ade is his offsides,sort that and in a couple of seasons time we will have another world class striker on the books.

[T.S]

Seriously TS your analysis of ade is off the mark as I would say he is nowhere near a fans favourite

I would beg to differ based on the fact that I hear his name sung after every time he touches the ball, and the many questionable looks I get when I call him a "fucking donkey".

Oh, and Rebel, you should give Hleb a break. He is a very talented player who has just come back from a lay off. I think you're overreacting way too much. We're a big club with big money, and we're making progress. We won't win the league this season, but who seriously thought we would? I was worried we'd lose our Champions League spot to the Spuds, but this season has turned out far better than I could have ever hoped. Smoothie is right, I would have taken that scenario, and I think if we're all honest, we all would, too.