Wenger signing new deal soon

[marcengels]

Just an observation but why is that everyone in the press other than an Arsenal fans thinks this is good news?

Because they don't invest in Arsenal like we do, and have nothing to lose.

Also, a league with Wenger is more interesting than without.

[USMartin]

Well thats no success for another 4 years then. He was brilliant but who knows whats happened now.

I don't think its as hard to figure out as some would like to think.

[skipper]

Just an observation but why is that everyone in the press other than an Arsenal fans thinks this is good news?

Because they don't invest in Arsenal like we do, and have nothing to lose.

Also, a league with Wenger is more interesting than without.

Same reason why all opposition managers and non-Liverpool supporting public thought that Rafa Benitez should stay as a Liverpool manager.

[USMartin]

Wenger has never believed in spending masses of money as you oddly seem to believe - the only spending spree of his tenure came in 1997 and even that was hardly massive.

The first part is correct, and indeed I have stated as much a number of times, about the fact that Mr. Wenger is personally a conservative spender and have gone further and suggested he does not believe it his right or place to demand more from his employers even if he might believe he needs it.

But the second part is quite frankly rubbish. He spent as much or more in 1998, 2001, and 2003 – and in 2003 when he spent more than in 1997 that spending doesn’t even include all the additional money that went into Securing Sol Campbell on a “freeâ€

[Louder]

YIPPEEEEEEE


AAHHH one problem , WE GOTTA LISTEN TO THE 'REALISTS' PISS AND MOAN FOR ANOTHER 4 YEARS


OH WELL !!!

[USMartin]

Q: You know what Arsenal would be without the realists?

A: s***s

[Almunia is a clown]

So Wenger signs a new improved contract whilst obviously agreeing not to get on the boards case for much needed transfer funds.

Confirmation that the managers & boards ambition is to finish 4th every season & ensuring the CL gravy train keeps on rolling.

Wenger is now untouchable because the supporters won't turn against him due to his pass success. The man is obviously myopic & has failed to adapt to the changes in the game over the last few years. He is on an ego trip trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear AKA Almunia Denilson Flappy & the other clowns who will never be top class EVER

I doubt if AW would have walked into another top European club job UNLESS he agreed to use the transfer budget provided beforehand.

Meanwhile the share prices continue to rise as the turkey gets fattened enough for the eventual sale leaving the current board, major shareholders & most probably Wenger squids in

Is that the future for The Arsenal, where there once was a football club, now we are nothing but an investment porfolio waiting for somebody to takeover the brand & company.

The clubs hierarchy is nothing more than a whore waiting for a rich punter

[merse_10]

fuck me that post mad me sad.probably because its true

[augie]

Well thats no success for another 4 years then. He was brilliant but who knows whats happened now.

I don't think its as hard to figure out as some would like to think.

As I have said before I have no grievance with your dislike/distrust of the board but your continual defence of wenger is really getting on my tits He buys the players, supposedly coaches the players, gives some of the *word censored* unwarranted bumper pay rises, picks the team and decides the tactics ( ) and this my friend is just a few quick examples of where this man is failing badly and why he should be sacked on sept 2nd if not sooner

[USMartin]

Sorry that's the case Augie but there is no logiical point in advocating sacking the manager if you cannot be confident that the change you want to happen will as aresult.

I find supporter who feel like its their duty to get the manager sacked but to do nothing beyond that quite irritating and frankly their actions harm the club more than help it because they let the Board get away with continuing the policies that truly harm the club.

Sacking the manager should actually be a progressive act to improve the club and team not simply a ritual sacrifice meant simply to make some of us feel a bit better. You seem to lose sight of that.

Is sacking a manager - any manager in any sport - beneficial if in fact the same sorts of decison are made for the reasons by the same people after he is removed from his position or by his successor?

[USMartin]

So Wenger signs a new improved contract whilst obviously agreeing not to get on the boards case for much needed transfer funds.

Confirmation that the managers & boards ambition is to finish 4th every season & ensuring the CL gravy train keeps on rolling.

Wenger is now untouchable because the supporters won't turn against him due to his pass success. The man is obviously myopic & has failed to adapt to the changes in the game over the last few years. He is on an ego trip trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear AKA Almunia Denilson Flappy & the other clowns who will never be top class EVER

I doubt if AW would have walked into another top European club job UNLESS he agreed to use the transfer budget provided beforehand.

Meanwhile the share prices continue to rise as the turkey gets fattened enough for the eventual sale leaving the current board, major shareholders & most probably Wenger squids in

Is that the future for The Arsenal, where there once was a football club, now we are nothing but an investment porfolio waiting for somebody to takeover the brand & company.

The clubs hierarchy is nothing more than a whore waiting for a rich punter

This a terrific post and a lot of it while a bit extreme is bang-on.

However the real reason Mr. Wenger is untouchable is because the Baord can hide behind him and engage in continual game of plausible deniability. So long as the supporters who trust or don't trust the manager still believe he is deciding whether or not to psend the money that is available the Baord don't have to prove that their ambition is insufficient.

Sacking the manager from the Board's perspective would be as bad if not worse than simply giving him more genuine fiancial backing .

Why? two major reasons.

First because if the Board sought to hire a credible replacement for the manager they could not do so without guaranteeing that the new man would have that increased financial backing especially on wages which would force them to spend more thamn they appear ready to now.

Second that if a new manager is brought in no matter who supporters will immediately expect more of that money "available to spend" to actually be spent right away even if the Board does not want to or even doubts it can. Supporters would immedaitely turn on the Board the moment it did not happen and even would openly question the Board's integrity as well as its ambition and policies in a way that will never happen so long as they can hide behind the manager and the doubt and confusion about what is happening in reality.

The Arsenal Board as some rioghtly suggest needs Arsene Wenger more than ever - just not for the right reasons for Arsenal Football Club.

[Bring Back Pires]

Wenger is now untouchable because the supporters won't turn against him due to his pass success.

Huh? Did he get a couple of try-out games in Austria which I'm not aware of?

[the playing mantis]

US martin i suggest you get a wife, gf, or a life rather than replying to your own long boring posts that are undermining most peoples enjoyment of this forum.

however i would just like to comment on your last response to augie....you completely ignrore the points he makes saying if AW goes the problems will persist.

The problems augie lists are ones that are solely down to the manager regardless of the money he has, ie awarding contracts, team selection tactics, not to mention the signing of midgets.

all would obviously change if a you manager came in as they are all determined by the manager himself (unless you have an interefering owner).

Yet you completely ignore these points and just post something supporting your own view that ignores the points someone else has raised cos they dont tally with your view. A habit that others have noted in your posts...

before responding with a mind knumbing diatribe against the board, please explain how changing the manager wouldnt change, tactics, playing style, bumper pay rises and midget signings, and how these are the boards fault too...................

[USMartin]

US martin i suggest you get a wife, gf, or a life rather than replying to your own long boring posts that are undermining most peoples enjoyment of this forum.

however i would just like to comment on your last response to augie....you completely ignrore the points he makes saying if AW goes the problems will persist.

The problems augie lists are ones that are solely down to the manager regardless of the money he has, ie awarding contracts, team selection tactics, not to mention the signing of midgets.

all would obviously change if a you manager came in as they are all determined by the manager himself (unless you have an interefering owner).

Yet you completely ignore these points and just post something supporting your own view that ignores the points someone else has raised cos they dont tally with your view. A habit that others have noted in your posts...

before responding with a mind knumbing diatribe against the board, please explain how changing the manager wouldnt change, tactics, playing style, bumper pay rises and midget signings, and how these are the boards fault too...................

If you want to credit me with the forum's very success or failure that's your preogativ, but I think you give me far more credit than I have earned.

The fact is I'd say the reason this forum isn't as much fun as it can be and I'm sure has been is down to what happens to the team on the pitch. I'm willing to bet you won't find one person who can say the forum was actually more fun at any time in the last five years that it is now, or that the forum was actually more last year than say in 2004.

As to your lists comments the simple truth is that contracts and wages are all subject to the final approval of the Board, and this is undeniably true as was confirmed in the Ashley Cole Report by the Premier League - as well as Peter Hill Wood's own assertion that Arsene Wenger's sole role is an advisory role to the Board who make the final decision on the actual contract to be offered. This was the same prior to Daviod Dein's departure.

Or do you seriously believe the man cannot tell whether Abou Diaby is as good as Patrick Vieira or not , or whether Theo Walcott is as good as Thierry henry or not?.

And the simple truth is that those things have more of impact on our playing stafff than anything else.. Dearie me I've almost written as much as you. I guess its not a diatribe then?

[SWLGooner]

Martin I think this place actually began in any meaningful sense in I think early 07/late 06.. First post in 05 then no-one for two years... then Smoothy and it went from there...