As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
flash gunner wrote:Sorry Cook"y but loving Eboue because he is 'funny' and throws his shirt into the crowd at the end of games is something that sums up the modern day Arsenal supporter. Dont get me wrong i dont hate Eboue he is a good 2nd choice right back (ONLY) but to make him into a cult hero for the things he does off the pitch is not right, couple that with the fact he dives, feigns injury and is generally an average player at best on the pitch im not into the Eboue hero worshipping......
Now tell me to fuck off down the road to sp*rs or just call me a boring bastard i dont care what you think but no one cares more about Arsenal than me and im very vocal at the games i get to
Up the Gunners
Are you one of those "super fans" Flash
Doesnt a 'superfan' think there was no Arsenal before Wenger and wont be after either?
mikeyb772001 wrote:I fekin love Eboue! Atleast he is some kind of bond with the fans. More so than many of the other players we have.
good for you Mikey i prefer RVP, Cesc and Vermaelen because they are ...... wait for it ...... GOOD ...... Its not a concept many fans are used to these days
Not saying Eboue is good. Though on his day he is a good squad player and back in the day he was a good right back before Sagna.
What I am saying is as a fan that goes every match it is nice to see a bond with a player who really loves the fans. Not sure if you go matches or not but as TV viewer I can understand your frustration of people liking eboue.
From all accounts Eboue is a valued member of the team and is a strong character in the dressing room. You can tell this by Theo running over and hugging Eboue after his 3rd goal. Sometimes players like Eboue are needed to make the bond within squads stronger. That’s my guess why Eboue is still here.
mikeyb772001 wrote:I fekin love Eboue! Atleast he is some kind of bond with the fans. More so than many of the other players we have.
good for you Mikey i prefer RVP, Cesc and Vermaelen because they are ...... wait for it ...... GOOD ...... Its not a concept many fans are used to these days
Not saying Eboue is good. Though on his day he is a good squad player and back in the day he was a good right back before Sagna.
What I am saying is as a fan that goes every match it is nice to see a bond with a player who really loves the fans. Not sure if you go matches or not but as TV viewer I can understand your frustration of people liking eboue.
From all accounts Eboue is a valued member of the team and is a strong character in the dressing room. You can tell this by Theo running over and hugging Eboue after his 3rd goal. Sometimes players like Eboue are needed to make the bond within squads stronger. That’s my guess why Eboue is still here.
So you're saying that Eboue is a very expensive glue?
mikeyb772001 wrote:I fekin love Eboue! Atleast he is some kind of bond with the fans. More so than many of the other players we have.
good for you Mikey i prefer RVP, Cesc and Vermaelen because they are ...... wait for it ...... GOOD ...... Its not a concept many fans are used to these days
Not saying Eboue is good. Though on his day he is a good squad player and back in the day he was a good right back before Sagna.
What I am saying is as a fan that goes every match it is nice to see a bond with a player who really loves the fans. Not sure if you go matches or not but as TV viewer I can understand your frustration of people liking eboue.
From all accounts Eboue is a valued member of the team and is a strong character in the dressing room. You can tell this by Theo running over and hugging Eboue after his 3rd goal. Sometimes players like Eboue are needed to make the bond within squads stronger. That’s my guess why Eboue is still here.
Contrary to what many have said on here i do go to games im a silver member not a season ticket holder but i still get to go to a good few games each season so i get to see what Eboue does on and off the pitch with the fans so to speak but i still dont understand how someone who is average as a player, dives and feigns injury is so 'loved' by the supporters. Eboue may well be liked in the dressing room but why that makes fans love him is beyond me.... I do think there are differing types of Arsenal fans these days and the younger ones seem like Eboue but id rather save my praise for someone more deserving
augie wrote:I have no problem with cult heroes as such but generally that type of status is reserved to players who bust a gut for the team and not players who dive about the place but are great craic We have players that are far more worthy of fan worship but cos our fans nowadays are largely new age fans they dont see or value the importance of players like tv5, sagna etc and believe it is a great laugh to boost up eboue
I can guarantee you that cult hero status wouldnt go on at clubs like barca, real madrid, ac milan etc cos in those places excellence not humour is the standard required
I havent noticed anything lacking in Eboue's workrate? Sure he dives and i wish he wouldn't but we (rightly) hero worship past players who were hardly without their blemishes. Lets face it, many of them were right wankers on the pitch but they were our wankers.
And really to say that "new age" fans do not appreciate the contribution of tv5 and other players just because they dont agree with you about eboue is rather disrespectful and arrogant. I reckon if you went round the stadium and surveyed everybody you deem to be a "new age fan" i think you would probably find that the overwhelming majority could recognise who our best players are.
Long after Eboue has retired and left the club he will be remembered not for his diving but as a proper character in a team that was severely lacking them.
mikeyb772001 wrote:I fekin love Eboue! Atleast he is some kind of bond with the fans. More so than many of the other players we have.
good for you Mikey i prefer RVP, Cesc and Vermaelen because they are ...... wait for it ...... GOOD ...... Its not a concept many fans are used to these days
Not saying Eboue is good. Though on his day he is a good squad player and back in the day he was a good right back before Sagna.
What I am saying is as a fan that goes every match it is nice to see a bond with a player who really loves the fans. Not sure if you go matches or not but as TV viewer I can understand your frustration of people liking eboue.
From all accounts Eboue is a valued member of the team and is a strong character in the dressing room. You can tell this by Theo running over and hugging Eboue after his 3rd goal. Sometimes players like Eboue are needed to make the bond within squads stronger. That’s my guess why Eboue is still here.
Contrary to what many have said on here i do go to games im a silver member not a season ticket holder but i still get to go to a good few games each season so i get to see what Eboue does on and off the pitch with the fans so to speak but i still dont understand how someone who is average as a player, dives and feigns injury is so 'loved' by the supporters. Eboue may well be liked in the dressing room but why that makes fans love him is beyond me.... I do think there are differing types of Arsenal fans these days and the younger ones seem like Eboue but id rather save my praise for someone more deserving
Agreed that a lot of younger fans sing his name, but sadly some of the younger fans in block 5 and 6 for example are like sheep and don’t really have there own views. Many of them sing songs they know nothing about but that’s a different story.
I still feel Eboue is good for the club and there aren’t many players like him in the team. As I am 31 I wouldn’t class myself as young fan and I really like Eboue, so maybe your just a hater and im a lover!
LDB wrote:...Long after Eboue has retired and left the club he will be remembered not for his diving but as a proper character in a team that was severely lacking them.
You think so? Well, by you and people who think that this is important.
Better to have character than a team of characters.
LDB wrote:...Long after Eboue has retired and left the club he will be remembered not for his diving but as a proper character in a team that was severely lacking them.
You think so? Well, by you and people who think that this is important.
Better to have character than a team of characters.
LDB wrote:...Long after Eboue has retired and left the club he will be remembered not for his diving but as a proper character in a team that was severely lacking them.
You think so? Well, by you and people who think that this is important.
Better to have character than a team of characters.
It is important, maybe not now but when people look back on this period and think of our stand out players, eboue will be among them for that reason. I would bet my house on that.
Its a similar thing with charlie nicholas, despite being frankly shit for most of his time at the club and having just one pot to show for his time here, he is still looked upon as a shining light in a thoroughly shit time for the club, largely because he was a character.
Of course charlie had a bigger hype attached to his arrival and even though he was arguably a more gifted footballer the comparison still holds some relevance i think. In my head atleast
LDB wrote:...Long after Eboue has retired and left the club he will be remembered not for his diving but as a proper character in a team that was severely lacking them.
You think so? Well, by you and people who think that this is important.
Better to have character than a team of characters.
It is important, maybe not now but when people look back on this period and think of our stand out players, eboue will be among them for that reason. I would bet my house on that.
Its a similar thing with charlie nicholas, despite being frankly shit for most of his time at the club and having just one pot to show for his time here, he is still looked upon as a shining light in a thoroughly shit time for the club, largely because he was a character.
Of course charlie had a bigger hype attached to his arrival and even though he was arguably a more gifted footballer the comparison still holds some relevance i think. In my head atleast
Again, that's what's important to you and people who think and look at it like you do. Not for me, not for my mates and many people who I speak about Arsenal with.
I hold no great affection for Charlie Nicholas, other than he was a really exciting signing. Being a character means nothing to me, other than when it is accompanied by greatness. I think it is more the people that see the guy on Sky Sports or in the media - as with the cult of Perry Groves.
The fact that you think Eboue will be looked at as a stand out player in the future because he was a character says something how about how you see football, how you see the Arsenal team now, and where exactly the team stands now in the general scheme of things.
I will save my affection for the likes of Dennis Bergkamp, who was a great boring bastard - who had character...and if there's no-one like him in this era, then so be it. Don't have to make icons of players like Eboue because the bar is so low.
I remember different players for different reasons.
I dont see what the purpose of being so hard-nosed about it is. Eboue tries hard, has come through some rough patches and has something about him that most footballers nowadays lack. Surely you can appreciate that without having to elevate it above players like DB10?
LDB wrote:I remember different players for different reasons.
I dont see what the purpose of being so hard-nosed about it is. Eboue tries hard, has come through some rough patches and has something about him that most footballers nowadays lack. Surely you can appreciate that without having to elevate it above players like DB10?
What's hard-nosed about it? I'm being straightforward. I appreciate something different in footballers. I think you are elevating Eboue into a position above that which he deserve, therefore making an icon out of an average footballer. I am merely stating that fan worship should be reserved for those who truly deserve it for what they do on the pitch.
The true triumph of being a character - over someone of substance.
mikeyb772001 wrote:
Agreed that a lot of younger fans sing his name, but sadly some of the younger fans in block 5 and 6 for example are like sheep and don’t really have there own views. Many of them sing songs they know nothing about but that’s a different story.
I still feel Eboue is good for the club and there aren’t many players like him in the team. As I am 31 I wouldn’t class myself as young fan and I really like Eboue, so maybe your just a hater and im a lover!
LDB wrote:I remember different players for different reasons.
I dont see what the purpose of being so hard-nosed about it is. Eboue tries hard, has come through some rough patches and has something about him that most footballers nowadays lack. Surely you can appreciate that without having to elevate it above players like DB10?
What's hard-nosed about it? I'm being straightforward. I appreciate something different in footballers. I think you are elevating Eboue into a position above that which he deserve, therefore making an icon out of an average footballer. I am merely stating that fan worship should be reserved for those who truly deserve it for what they do on the pitch.
The true triumph of being a character - over someone of substance.
Are you not capable of appreciating different qualities in different players? Correct me if im mistaken but your insinuation (sp?) seems to be that because i have a soft spot for Eboue's work ethic and unique character that i somehow dont appreciate players of substance? I do not see the two as diametrically opposed.
Besides, you call it fan worship, I call it recognition.
