Fulham's Stockdale Injured - Schwarzer deal definitely off?

[frankbutcher]

Reports in the last hour that Stockdale is out for several weeks with bad ligament damage. Can't see Fulham selling Schwarzer now.

Wenger's reliance on other teams for our transfer dealings, has really cost us this time.

(And I thought that moving to Emirates was supposed to make us self-sufficient. Why do we continue to rely on other clubs to help us out?)

[SammyDroppedHisShorts]

Reports in the last hour that Stockdale is out for several weeks with bad ligament damage. Can't see Fulham selling Schwarzer now.

Wenger's reliance on other teams for our transfer dealings, has really cost us this time.

(And I thought that moving to Emirates was supposed to make us self-sufficient. Why do we continue to rely on other clubs to help us out?)

You dont half moan

Thank fuck it has happened....i didnt want that Geriatric Aussie fuckwit playing for my club anyway....and i certainly dont think Wenger can be blamed too much with regards the reliance on other clubs to help us out! What club has ever helped us out? and what is it they have helped us out on....

FFS its Mark fooking Schwarzer....cant wait for this fooking transfer window to go...if we get a keeper we get a keeper, if we dont we dont......WE ARE THE ARSENAL SO FUCK OFF THE REST!

[OnlyGotOneSong]

The Spanish waiter played well against Blackburnt tbh. Schwarzer isn't what we need anyway. He, like Almunia, is a shot stopper, good reflexes and gets low quickly. Almunia is also a quick distributer of the ball, something that we rely on in order to start quick, fluid attacks. His handling isn't the best but credit where it's due, he earned some brownie points at Ewood Park.

[frankbutcher]

I don't want Schwarzer any more than you do, but I still think he's better than what we've got. This news means we won't be getting anyone, which is quite frankly a disgrace.

Wenger has 3 months to sign a keeper, dallies, and then gets caught out like this. What a pratt!

[brazilianGOONER]

The Spanish waiter played well against Blackburnt tbh. Schwarzer isn't what we need anyway. He, like Almunia, is a shot stopper, good reflexes and gets low quickly. Almunia is also a quick distributer of the ball, something that we rely on in order to start quick, fluid attacks. His handling isn't the best but credit where it's due, he earned some brownie points at Ewood Park.

problem is that almunia is a reverse diaby. he has 3 good matches and then a terrible one. the difference is that you can afford a midfielder that makes mistakes, but when a goalie does it it's a goal to the oposition.

don't let almunia fool you (like he did to me). he is shit. end of.

[Barriecuda]

^ I dunno mate, Diaby scored an own goal or two last year didn't he? When your terrible game is THAT bad, he's almost as dangerous as a poor keeper.

Anyway, Diaby frustration aside, we need a keeper. Like BG said, he has his good games but on his off days he is a big liability.

So if Schwarzer is needed... can we pleaaaaaaase have Given? I feel like a kid asking for an unrealistic Christmas present but remaining hopeful right til Christmas morning.

[augie]

Make no mistake, if this transfer window closes without the purchase of a new keeper the blame will not lie with any excuse or failure of fulham to sell but will land at the feet of a manager that has had 3 months to bring in a better keeper but as usual he has been cunting about waiting to save a quid or two by buying at the last minute again How this fool can make a bid for a keeper and wait another 3 months to make a second bid much less make the same bid twice is beyond me Really and truely we are run like a 2nd rate club nowadays and tbh I find it embarrassing

[USMartin]

Make no mistake, if this transfer window closes without the purchase of a new keeper the blame will not lie with any excuse or failure of fulham to sell but will land at the feet of a manager that has had 3 months to bring in a better keeper but as usual he has been cunting about waiting to save a quid or two by buying at the last minute again How this fool can make a bid for a keeper and wait another 3 months to make a second bid much less make the same bid twice is beyond me Really and truely we are run like a 2nd rate club nowadays and tbh I find it embarrassing

I understand your point but why do you seriously believe if in fact you do that it will change with a new manager. You could see many of these problems as early as the summer pf 2005 when we not only sold Vieira but in a pure money-saving move also let Edu go. That was borderline incompetence right then and there nio matter how good anythought expected Fabregas to be.

We saw similar circumstances lead to letting both Pires and reyes leave the same summer in 06, Henry and Baptista in 07, and Diarra Flamini and Gilberto in 08, and of course this summer Gallas Campbell Senderpos and Silvestre. Yet not once has the Board wait, that is simply irresponsible management and threatens the team's success.

Are they doing that about this - no they have offered the manager a new improved contract. The supporters whoseriously expect anything to actually change with a new manager are simply naive. Only if the current Board are convinced this jeopardizes their investment or a new Board whose sole priority is not maximizing the vaklue of their investment is brough in will anything change under any manager.

Concluding otherwise is naive and even in a manner delusional. Only if the Board have no choice but to confront the supporters frustrations will the re-think anything at this point.

If I am wrong what evidence is there to the contrary such as a new manager being appointed with a drastically different agenda?

[USMartin]

I'm not having a go Augie but if we want things to change we need to seek real change not just more of the same under a another name - which you can bet you last penny is what we'll get at this point.

If we don't address the real problem we won't have helped fix anything.

[mrgnu1958]

im actually as happy as a sand boy with our start..If we sign a goalie,great..if we dont,so be it.
Cmon you Reds
oh..btw..ive not seen anything about stockdale being injured frank??

[QuartzGooner]

USMartin
I agree there has been a reduction in transfer spending since 2005.

The players you mention though cannot be lumped together as simply "money saving" departures.

Vieira was declining, we got good money for him, though I believe he would have continued to have plenty to offer had he stayed.
Henry was sold at the right time, he was declining, unsettled in professional and personal life, and unsettling to others.
Baptista was only ever with us on a year's loan, and was not good enough, and unhappy with the climate.
Lasanna Diarra was bad-mouthing the manager and causing problems in the squad, that I know because I heard it from a player.
Flamini wanted to leave, he felt affinity for AC Milan.
Gilberto was very much on the decline, though I felt he could have stayed as a squad player.
Gallas wanted wages out of proportion to his age and talent.
Campbell wanted to move North to be near new wife's family, that is perfectly clear.
Silvestre and Senderos were back up at best, and most fans will not bemoan their departure.

Edu I agree we should have kept.
Pires's premature departure was one of Wenger's biggest mistakes and he should have been given a three year deal, though it has to be said that Bergkamp accepted a rolling one year deal, and Pires did have the option to do that.

Anyway, failure to bring in a decent new keeper will severely weaken our attempts to win the title, as will failure to adequately replace some of the above departed players.

New manager?
Will have same financial restrictions as Wenger, though I do believe that Wenger is holding onto some cash, but not masses of cash as some speculate.
His net spend this summer is almost zero, in fact I make it that he has actually saved money on wages.

[frankbutcher]

im actually as happy as a sand boy with our start..If we sign a goalie,great..if we dont,so be it.
Cmon you Reds
oh..btw..ive not seen anything about stockdale being injured frank??

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[mrgnu1958]

i dont believe it.

[USMartin]

USMartin
I agree there has been a reduction in transfer spending since 2005.

The players you mention though cannot be lumped together as simply "money saving" departures.

Vieira was declining, we got good money for him, though I believe he would have continued to have plenty to offer had he stayed.
Henry was sold at the right time, he was declining, unsettled in professional and personal life, and unsettling to others.
Baptista was only ever with us on a year's loan, and was not good enough, and unhappy with the climate.
Lasanna Diarra was bad-mouthing the manager and causing problems in the squad, that I know because I heard it from a player.
Flamini wanted to leave, he felt affinity for AC Milan.
Gilberto was very much on the decline, though I felt he could have stayed as a squad player.
Gallas wanted wages out of proportion to his age and talent.
Campbell wanted to move North to be near new wife's family, that is perfectly clear.
Silvestre and Senderos were back up at best, and most fans will not bemoan their departure.

Edu I agree we should have kept.
Pires's premature departure was one of Wenger's biggest mistakes and he should have been given a three year deal, though it has to be said that Bergkamp accepted a rolling one year deal, and Pires did have the option to do that.

Anyway, failure to bring in a decent new keeper will severely weaken our attempts to win the title, as will failure to adequately replace some of the above departed players.

New manager?
Will have same financial restrictions as Wenger, though I do believe that Wenger is holding onto some cash, but not masses of cash as some speculate.
His net spend this summer is almost zero, in fact I make it that he has actually saved money on wages.

Your explanations are irrelevant in the sense that even the decisions which I would endorse were bad decisions because of their timing coinciding with other key deoartures and the failure in many of most of the cases to acquire genuinely adequate replacements. The fact that you acknolwedge any of these decisions were financially driven is sufficient cause for alarm - we are Arsenal Football Club - not Arsenal Investment Club or Arsenal Budget Balancing Club.

As I say all I ask is that the club work in the middle ground as it did before 2005 and has chosen not since then and can clealry afford to now and shows no desire whatsoever to do so. To claim that the only choice is economic is potently false and their effort to frighten supporters to silnce them. Nothing more. Indeed the Board's strategy risks turning us into another Leeds more than anything else right now.Under-ivestment backfiring is just as dangerous as over-investment backfiring.

Our Board meeds to recognize making a smaller profit is not disastrous and only seeing the share price at 6K a share would not be the end of the world. Their apparent greed threatens us as genuinely as the risks of over-spending do, no matter how many excuses some try to make for them.

[SteveO 35]

Perhaps sense will prevail after all and through these injury circumstances we will end up keeping the above average first choice keeper that we have and not replacing him with a 37 year old has been.

If we really were in the market for Given and that deal collapsed I would have been disappointed; but the reality is we were in that market as much as we ever were for Lloris and Buffon i.e. not at all.

Lets either sign players that are going to improve the squad or not fucking bother at all; we already have a ludicrous wage bill stuffed to the full with 50k wages for Joe Averages.

However, if I had a cast iron guarantee that signing Schwarzer would spell the end of the Polish clown's time at the club I would gladly raise the 50k per week wages myself. Unlikely given that the GIC chose to give him a Vela style long term contract last year....but I can dream