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jamjc64 wrote:You have to look at this quote............

Totally agree the board are just looking to sell the club & shares at a massive profit

They do not care about the future of The Arsenal only profits for themselves



What a load of bollocks. the Hill-Wood family have brought this club to were it is now. We may not agree with all the decisions the club has made, but thank fuck we live in a democracy. If they wanted to make a quick buck they shore are going a long way about it.

Face facts, we have a club with shares on the open market and although many wealthy people own them, so do a collection of small investors.

So if you really do feel that strongly and want to have an input on the clubs day to day running GO OUT AND BUY SOME BLOODY SHARES..
You may not be able to afford them but the people that do and have invested millions into it, do you really think they would jepordise thier investment and risk losing everything ?? I doubt it

It does not surprise me regarding the lack of signatures, its just not The Arsenal way. If you like turmoil the ability to cause disruption and constantly bash your club go and support Utd or the fucking Mousers.

This petition is ill conceived badly thought out and seriously lacks the class of our STILL great club.

And for that reason Im Out :barscarf:
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What deluded rubbish. Peter Hill-Wood has sold his family's shares in the club any opportunity he has had frankly, and does not deserve to be mentioned with his forefathers who at least genuinely cared about the club. No one made him look to cash in or forced him to either, just as no one has done so to Dan Fiszman or to Lady Bracewell-Smith, who is looking for a neat profit of 100 million for all her tireless work in acquiring Sir Bracewell-Smith's shares. Which was, to be precise, to inherit control of them on his passing.

The simple truth is this - The Hill-Wood family has sold out their holdings. The Carr Family has sold out their holdings. The Bracewell-Smith family will sell out its holdings soon enough. That is reality. The Arsenal Way represented so admirably by their predecessors and forebearers in everything they did for Arsenal and how they did it has gone with them. It simply no longer applies and anyone who believes otherwise is being childishly naive.

The Arsenal Way is part of Arsenal's - and our - past now, killed in fact by choice of those entrusted to uphold it. But it is as much a part of the past as the rotary phone is now. To pretend otherwise is not merely naive but dangerous at this time, given the consequences of some these decisions already made and others that likely or possibly even will be made still.

The fact is the Arsenal Way is now little more than a facade covering over a vastly different way in which the club is operating, in the same way that Arsenal Stadium is now a facade covering over the reality that what was The Home Of Football is now home to anyone who could afford a nice upscale flat. I'd even bet there are Man United and Chelsea and Liverpool
living in Arsenal's true spritual home, maybe even - though I could never fathom doing it myself if the roles were reversed - a s***s supporter. The color of their pound notes not their football scarves was all that was considered I'd bet in their purchases.

Anyway using the Arsenal Way as an excuse not to stand up for the club when our Board won't at this point is childish. It reminds me of the bloke who said the sole reason the Club chose to re-develop Highbury was to ensure the job was done in the proper manner - even though by British law the job could be done no differently really, and to do anything significantly differently would have risked losing money on the project by any developer.

If you don't want to sign that's fine. But either way such naivete as your post betrays can only hurt Arsenal more than help it. And trust me if things go really wrong you'll just be one of many who will have to ask themselves did I do the right thing for the club ? And deny it all you want - you will ask it. We all will. Some of us just won't have to be as afraid of the answer.

The truth does hurt, doesn't it? On that you are right, and you'll know it soon enough.

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Please stick to this. And leave my club alone.

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So im deluded, Arsenal is a Facade. and Hill -Wood did nothing ? except prostitute the club for his own wealth.

You really dont like fucking change or progression do you and im deluded.

I dont think im going to waste my time or energy on you, you clearly are far superior than me with your views and knowledge of the club and really what i think you wouldnt give a toss about.

:fishing:

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Well its labour day weekend in the US. The man has to pass his time somehow but keeping me so deeply entertained, I would never have thought so

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Bring Back Pires wrote:Please stick to this. And leave my club alone.

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Seconded :barscarf:

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Iceman29 wrote:Well its labour day weekend in the US. The man has to pass his time somehow but keeping me so deeply entertained, I would never have thought so
Fucking hell, Iceman. You must really enjoy reading a lot. :D :wink:

I bet you could do War And Peace in your lunch break. And Gone With The Wind on the bus home. :D

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jamjc64 wrote:So im deluded, Arsenal is a Facade. and Hill -Wood did nothing ? except prostitute the club for his own wealth.

You really dont like fucking change or progression do you and im deluded.

I dont think im going to waste my time or energy on you, you clearly are far superior than me with your views and knowledge of the club and really what i think you wouldnt give a toss about.

:fishing:
Oh how nice - run away when you get something back for your earlier bullcrap. You challenge me because I hadn't replied to you sooner then when I reply you run away.

Yes you deluded - especially in claiming I called Arsenal a facade. I said the Arsenal Way - which you brought up btw is a facade now. Its a shame apparently eiither you can't comprehend what I wrote or simply chose to de;ibertaely make false claims of it..

If you consider going from being a top-two team year after year to a top five or top ten team progression you are in fact deluded. If you call going from winning or having a real chance to win a trophy every year to once every ten or twenty years progression you are in fact deluded.

It 's not change I am against - it is abandonment of the way the club has been run by those we have trusted to run it to pursue their own self-interest instead of primarily protecting the club's I am against.

It's not my fault you boasted of the continuing commitment of our Board to the Arsenal Way only to realize that in fact the current Board Members are more committed to the American Way than the Arsenal Way is it?

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olgitgooner wrote:
USMartin wrote:
olgitgooner wrote:Somebody has removed Arsene and David Dein???? :shock: :?
Well now we know who "directed" them there. The two cleverness points you'd have earned are now docked. as you gave them away.

Don't ever commit a crime or you'll go to jail mate.
Martin, how shall I put this?....................what the fucking hell are you on about? I directed them there?? Cleverness points??? Der.

This isn't the first time you've jumped to the wrong conclusion.

And I would rather you didn't paint me as someone who is as thick as pig shit.
By the way, Martin, you didn't respond to my earlier post above. :wink:

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USMartin wrote:
jamjc64 wrote:So im deluded, Arsenal is a Facade. and Hill -Wood did nothing ? except prostitute the club for his own wealth.

You really dont like fucking change or progression do you and im deluded.

I dont think im going to waste my time or energy on you, you clearly are far superior than me with your views and knowledge of the club and really what i think you wouldnt give a toss about.

:fishing:
Oh how nice - run away when you get something back for your earlier bullcrap. You challenge me because I hadn't replied to you sooner then when I reply you run away.
Yes you deluded - especially in claiming I called Arsenal a facade. I said the Arsenal Way - which you brought up btw is a facade now. Its a shame apparently eiither you can't comprehend what I wrote or simply chose to de;ibertaely make false claims of it..

If you consider going from being a top-two team year after year to a top five or top ten team progression you are in fact deluded. If you call going from winning or having a real chance to win a trophy every year to once every ten or twenty years progression you are in fact deluded.

It 's not change I am against - it is abandonment of the way the club has been run by those we have trusted to run it to pursue their own self-interest instead of primarily protecting the club's I am against.

It's not my fault you boasted of the continuing commitment of our Board to the Arsenal Way only to realize that in fact the current Board Members are more committed to the American Way than the Arsenal Way is it?[/q



Ok I have had enough of this prick now. For months I have read total dross with one man’s obsession with the board. A man who thinks he knows everything there is to know about Arsenal and would have us all thinking we are infidels.
I suggest you take a look at yourself and comments people have attributed towards yourself. You either fall into the category on WUM JCL or arsehole, you decide.
I have had a fucking guts full of your whining and bitching about our club. You clearly gain no satisfaction out of watching Arsenal play, so do yourself a favour and fuck off to MLS Nascar or the fucking NBA.
For your information my ability to digest understand and converse with the wider world has never doubted by myself, in fact I will do it in 5 languages if you wish. I just don’t feel a light hearted football forum for my club is the place unlike you to preach upon a soap box to attain the moral high ground.
One final point, the day I run and hide and avoid conflict or debate with anything or anyone will be the day the US of A has border with Asia.

So please do me a favour and fuck off as you know fuck all about me and I care not to anything about you

Mods feel free to ban me

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Why? This is the onlinegooner forum where everyone is allowed a voice, not the official one!! :lol: :lol: :wink:
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olgitgooner wrote:
olgitgooner wrote:
USMartin wrote:
olgitgooner wrote:Somebody has removed Arsene and David Dein???? :shock: :?
Well now we know who "directed" them there. The two cleverness points you'd have earned are now docked. as you gave them away.

Don't ever commit a crime or you'll go to jail mate.
Martin, how shall I put this?....................what the fucking hell are you on about? I directed them there?? Cleverness points??? Der.

This isn't the first time you've jumped to the wrong conclusion.

And I would rather you didn't paint me as someone who is as thick as pig shit.
By the way, Martin, you didn't respond to my earlier post above. :wink:
I missed it -that is why I failed to reply. My apologies.

I was being sarcastic and humorous. You happen to to note two of the names people posted on the petition in their effort to undermine it right as I see them. Why shouldn't I conclude you might well I have posted them? I almost feel the desire to apologize but honestly I'm not sure I believe you in fact did not post them.

But whether you did or not I would not paint you as thick as pigshit and for the record you are not as thick as pigshit.

But I would portray you as the twattish person you choose to be by going out of way to open threads with views you know you disagree with and take offense at in advance and thenacting as though you are somehow helpless and simply must open, read, and post in these threads and have no other option.

Free will applies at all times. Just as you have every right to disagree deeply with my views and to say so you have the same free will to ignore them or not to respond to them. And to complain otherwise is dishonest and twattish. In this case - regardless of wwhether you actually signed those names up or not - you even chose to visit a separate website to read and follow a petition whose views you are absolutely opposed to and offended by so far as I know. You're not a victim here.


And if you don't like being described as twatiish by me then don't be so twattish toward me

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olgitgooner wrote:
Iceman29 wrote:Well its labour day weekend in the US. The man has to pass his time somehow but keeping me so deeply entertained, I would never have thought so
Fucking hell, Iceman. You must really enjoy reading a lot. :D :wink:

I bet you could do War And Peace in your lunch break. And Gone With The Wind on the bus home. :D
Well I am reading Accidental Billionaires these days and before this I was reading Enron. I plan to read one of Nick Hornby's books after this. :barscarf:

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And my apologies for calling Olgit twattish but I stand by it as well.

As i say just as people like to remind they have the right to disagree with me which they certainly do, they also have the right to ignore me or the threads I open or not comment to me on my views at all. If they choose otherwise its not my fault that they do as they consytantly cry. Do they need their mothers to remind them "don't do that you know it will hurt and upset you" or something?

If Olgit who chose to and left this forum to go onto the petition site did not in fact post those signatures then I would happily apologize. I'm not sure that he did not in fact based on what he posted at that time.

But perhaps the lesson ought to be that people who choose confrontation will find it one way or another even when they did not in their mind seek it out. I have learned that lesson myself a few times, including here.

If you want to disagree - and strongly - fine. But if go out of your way to express that disagreement you may not always like whow it works out. Lord knows I have found that out a few times over the years. I just don't blame anyone else for it.

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Iceman29 wrote:
olgitgooner wrote:
Iceman29 wrote:Well its labour day weekend in the US. The man has to pass his time somehow but keeping me so deeply entertained, I would never have thought so
Fucking hell, Iceman. You must really enjoy reading a lot. :D :wink:

I bet you could do War And Peace in your lunch break. And Gone With The Wind on the bus home. :D
Well I am reading Accidental Billionaires these days and before this I was reading Enron. I plan to read one of Nick Hornby's books after this. :barscarf:
Which Enron Book?

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USMartin wrote:
As i say just as people like to remind they have the right to disagree with me which they certainly do, they also have the right to ignore me or the threads I open or not comment to me on my views at all.
There are tons of threads on here that I read but do not comment on

The thing is, with your threads, you have come onto a Forum and started multiple threads, and posted multiple times on existing threads.

On one subject.

If someone is pushing a certain subjective view, on the same subject, so intensely and so often, and an important subject at that, then people are not going to ignore it or let it go unchallenged.

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