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kingjayson1 wrote: WBA deserved all 3 points today because they played well and capatilised on the joke of the team they were playing.
This I agree with.

Our team seemed to expect that a victory would come without working or trying hard.

Unfortunately, Di Matteo had done his home work and had a game plan for us that didn't involve kicking us off the park or hoofing the ball up to big men up front. For that I take my hat off to him.

There we lacklustre performances all over from the team in red. Our GK stands out but the defensive frailties put him under pressure that he couldn't take. Their second goal was a joke, the third not much better and the first came from poor play of the ball out of defence.

The small consolation is that the 3 points the baggies gained today may well help them stay in the PL at the expense of one of the hoofing cloging teams, Wolves, Brum, Blackburn.

Its not all over yet, but we need to win next week.

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mrgnu1958 wrote:i just feel for you fans right now..Every one of you"s.
We have a bloody fantastic team and its a crying shame that we wont win a thing again this season.

Look..im gonna admit something to you all.
Im NOT the best cabbie in london because i make mistakes.
But( i know some wont believe me)when i make a mistake,i admit it to my customers and take some of the fare off accordingly.

I dont think Arsene wants to admit hes made a terrible mistake over at least 1 player.
IMO its NOT a sign of weakness admitting your wrong.
brilliant stuff, gnuey. you are absolutely spot on.

i think he won't admit as well because we are a few months from another transfer window, so the best he can do now is try to lift our clowns' confidence. it would not be good for our current keepers if he came out and said "i'm sorry, i should've signed a keeper as our current ones are shit".

anyway, i wouldn't put my hopes up that we will sign anyone before the next season. arsène wenger is a genius, and like all of them, he has a few loose screws. his are in the goalkeeper part of the brain.
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1. Why were Diaby and Eboue in the starting XI? Wilshere and Rosicky deserved to start!
2. Why is Almunia such a weak useless c**t? He made a mistake before the pen, but he made the penalty save which could give him some self-assurance to grab the ball before the 0-3.
3. Why did the ref blow the final whistle at exactly 95:00 min. Last week Sunderland were given 20 sec plus to score the equaliser.

I am down, bleak, deep deep down in the dumps :cry:

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There is no point in saying that almunia is fcuking worse than shite cos there isnt a footie fan anywhere in england (except our manager :roll: ) that doesnt know this.
I will however point out yet again that diaby is an absolute useless long lanky streak of piss who has the brains of a rocking horse :evil: I am sick of reading comments from fans lauding the guy on the occasions (once every 10 or so games :roll: ) that he actually plays well cos he neither has the ability or the mental capacity to sustain a decent level of performance over a season and he is the player at the very top of the list of players that should be out the doot asap imo :evil:

Lastly can I again refer to the weaknesses of song who some fans believe is as good a dm is there is anywhere :oops: The guy doesnt tackle well (see mackems away game) and badly lacks the discipline positionaly to play in any top team much less a gung ho tactically niave outfit that we currently are :roll:

The above players sum up everything that is wrong with our club now.....sub standard players in key positions but a shit load of dosh sitting in the bank :evil: :evil: :evil: :banghead:

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Dunno if he was injured or tired or something, but does anyone else think Lansbury was a bit unlucky not even make the bench today thinking about how well he played on Tuesday?

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JMascis666 wrote:Dunno if he was injured or tired or something, but does anyone else think Lansbury was a bit unlucky not even make the bench today thinking about how well he played on Tuesday?
Tired :shock: the game was last tuesday and it was his first game of the season not his 50th.I know that footballers are pappered but that is ridiculous.Send him away on a 6 week cruise to recover :roll:

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Its been a long time since I've been so angry after a match. What I'm about to say has already been said. But I need to vent. Almunia was a joke. WBA ran circles around us in the second half. Especially at the start of the half when they outpaced us by a mile. Piss poor passing with no one in the midfield to create anything. You need someone like Wilshere in the midfield. But, by the time we brought him on it was too late.
With Chelsea and city up next and only one point from Sunderland and WBA. We are in serious trouble. The worst part is I felt so good after the spurs game and now that has gone away.

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Well Spurs lost that makes me feel a little better! :barscarf:

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We lost because i wasn't in attendance; my 100% record still stands this season. Which is why it's a must for me to be there next week. :-P 8)

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donaldo wrote:
JMascis666 wrote:Dunno if he was injured or tired or something, but does anyone else think Lansbury was a bit unlucky not even make the bench today thinking about how well he played on Tuesday?
Tired :shock: the game was last tuesday and it was his first game of the season not his 50th.I know that footballers are pampered but that is ridiculous.Send him away on a 6 week cruise to recover :roll:

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Before I go into my thoughts on our performance, I would also agree with those on here in praise of our opponents. For once, we lost to a team outside the top four who didn't resort to kicking lumps out of everythig that moved, or launched long throws into the box, obstruct the keeper, play with a series of 6'6" lampposts in their side etc. We were actually fairly and squarely outplayed by a side with a young manager, brave enough to stick with the way his team like to play regardless of the oppo, and who once again showed the GIC that when a side use regulation, old-style wingers you can pick your way through our gormless 4-3-3 with ease (as Messi, Nani, Malouda and others have found out and will do time and time again). It's easy - just double up on Clichy and Sagna and watch what happens while the bone idle Russian and the likes of Rosicky stand and watch in awe as suddenly our full backs are made to look fools once more.

What on earth was Wenger playing at disrupting the midfield that performed so well at the Lane. I suppose Wilshere needed a rest. FFS - the kid is 18. At 18, I played on a Saturday and Sunday and trained 2 or 3 nights a week too. OK, the level's not the same but its all relative. Yet again, we take a young player who is just finding his full confidence and then leave him out and replace him with a clearly unfit Diaby and / or Song. Funny that when Raul was a 17 year old superstar I don't remember Real resting him for League games, and he seemed to be able to carry on deep into this 30s without suffering from the mythical "burn out". Giggs seems to have done OK too despite his regular run-outs for United in his teens. Don't change a winning team

I think we also saw for the first time this season just what an important played TV5 has become for the club. Koscielny has largely been OK but still at this early stage has made a few gaffes (which is natural), whilst I thought Schillaci looked ponderous yesterday too. West Brom played a real old style high paced English game and I think it caught the two of them by surprise.

Up front I'm afraid that there looked a real lack of pace, and just as it looked at times last year when the ever-injured RvP and Walcott were missing, it's hard to expect one target man to carry the attack on his own all the time. Chamakh didn't really do anything wrong but against a really determined and well organised back line he looked like he needed a partner.

Arshavin displayed all the traits of a man who thinks he doesn't need to try against the likes of West Brom - a stinking attitude. Lazy and lethargic from first minute to last....I was stunned Wenger left him out there (although to be fair there were several other candidates to be hauled off long before the end).

Almunia - he knows and we know that he cost us 2 goals yesterday (although the all round defending for their third was appalling). There's no way I would try and hide that fact. Personally as I've said before I still don't think he's as bad as is made out. They were his first errors of the season; something that Green, Reina, Howard, Gomes and even the much lauded Hart could not claim to have achieved. And he is still better than anything we have at the club. He heard the boos from the family enclosure by the way so congrats to all those who couldn't wait to throw the insults down (especially the guy in Row 16, Section 26 in front of me in the Family Enclosure......"Fuck off Almunia, you useless tosser" must have been a real help. BTW I noticed you singing his name after the penalty save - you know who you are).

If Wenger is going to sign a Lloris or Reina then fine - time for Almunia to be number 2. Until then please don't bring the likes of Schwarzer in.

Last thought - Vela showed yet again that in a game where we are struggling he'll never make an impact. Just like at the Lane when we more potent once he went off, he came on again to little effect. We all know that off the bunch when we're stuffing the likes of Bolton or Braga, he'll look a star, but until I see him do anything of note when we're losing a high tempo Prem or CL game I still maintain he's in the "not good enough" bracket

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SteveO 35 wrote:...clearly unfit Diaby and / or Song.
I don't think it was clear that he was unfit. Rusty maybe, but I think we have seen similar performances from Diaby right throughout his Arsenal career, when he has been "fully fit".

Wengerlike qualities there SteveO, standing by your man...


:lol: :wink:

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marcengels wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:...clearly unfit Diaby and / or Song.
I don't think it was clear that he was unfit. Rusty maybe, but I think we have seen similar performances from Diaby right throughout his Arsenal career, when he has been "fully fit".

Wengerlike qualities there SteveO, standing by your man...


:lol: :wink:
Don't get me wrong mate he played very poorly. Perhaps I just "didn't see it" :wink: :D

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Post by donaldo »

Good post SteveO

Although i dont agree with you on Almunia.Yesterday may have been his first mistakes of the season(i dont think he was blameless at Anfield though) we all know it wont be his last mistake.He is not top class,he never has been and that is the problem.We should have a world class keeper not a keeper who wouldnt get a game for Spain if the top 50 keepers in Spain got wiped out.We need a keeper who commands his box who the defence has confidence in.With Almunia we are just waiting for the next mistake to happen which it will.And the blame for that is Wenger

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donaldo wrote:Good post SteveO

Although i dont agree with you on Almunia.Yesterday may have been his first mistakes of the season(i dont think he was blameless at Anfield though) we all know it wont be his last mistake.He is not top class,he never has been and that is the problem.We should have a world class keeper not a keeper who wouldnt get a game for Spain if the top 50 keepers in Spain got wiped out.We need a keeper who commands his box who the defence has confidence in.With Almunia we are just waiting for the next mistake to happen which it will.And the blame for that is Wenger
I agree, and as said times many I don't think Almunia is a great keeper and at best he should be our number 2. If that's beneath him then fine move on - shit happens. But personally I will not get all excited by the prospect of a Schwarzer level replacement, or some unheard of never-will-be-an-international from a second rate club in Europe.

Lloris, Given, Reina, Stekelenburg maybe. Until then Almunia won't make any more mistakes than the Grade B keepers in the Prem like Green and Jaaskelainen.

I think Arsene's sarcastic comments about people giving him stick for not spending £20m gives us an insight as to which type of keeper (if any) we might end up with....

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