“At the start we were optimistic. Maybe a bit too much, thinking it would be one or two weeks. But the damage was bigger than expected and he will be four to six weeks.â€donaldo wrote:I said at the time when RVP was offered a new £80k a week contract it was a big mistake because he will never ever play enough games to win us a title.So we have an injury prone striker at the club.When Bender gets injured that reduces the striker choices to one.Dont even go there about that tosser Vela,So we have one striker who will be run into the ground by christmas.Ask yourself this question what other top club would give RVP with his history a 4 year contract?But hey Arsene KnowsMK Gould wrote:The thing that pisses me off though is still the number of our key players who are still missing with what appear to be minor injuries. I can more readily accept the like of Aaron Ramsey who is out with a broken leg but:
Manuel Almunia (Elbow)
Nicklas Bendtner (Groin)
Thomas Vermaelen (Achilles)
Cesc Fabregas (Hamstring)
Theo Walcott (Ankle)
Robin van Persie (Ankle)
Shouldn't someone just be spraying on some deep heat and telling them to get the fuck on with it and earned their substantial pay packets..... Six first teamers out has become the norm for us over the last few seasons and the fact that NO OTHER CLUB has this recurrent problem suggests that something must be wrong at Arsenal.
CHELSEA AWAY THREAD
Loads of possession but no really decent chances. Things may come good - eventually - but we've been saying that for years now. Close but no cigar. Again.
I love Arsene and acknowledge what an amazing job he's done. His great teams still had the backbone of the George Graham defence. Since the old guard have gone he's never demonstrated that he knows how to create a decent defence - or indeed that he cares about it. To me it's what's missing from this current crop. We've got bags of talent, and when we're allowed to play we're a match for anyone, but it's too easy for teams to find ways to counter what we're good at. We need to weave in a bit of physicality and aggression into the team to augment the flair and talent.
Alas whilst the £££ rolls in and Arsene delivers regular Champs League footie on a shoestring budget the board have no incentive to question or criticise him. Meanwhile we continue to wait for potential to turn into silverware.
I was interested to learn that Chelsk's players are on average a stone heavier than out boys. No wonder they swat us away with such regularity these days.
And just to finish on a relative positive, things could be worse - a lot worse. We could be in Liverpool's position.
Up The Arsenal.
I love Arsene and acknowledge what an amazing job he's done. His great teams still had the backbone of the George Graham defence. Since the old guard have gone he's never demonstrated that he knows how to create a decent defence - or indeed that he cares about it. To me it's what's missing from this current crop. We've got bags of talent, and when we're allowed to play we're a match for anyone, but it's too easy for teams to find ways to counter what we're good at. We need to weave in a bit of physicality and aggression into the team to augment the flair and talent.
Alas whilst the £££ rolls in and Arsene delivers regular Champs League footie on a shoestring budget the board have no incentive to question or criticise him. Meanwhile we continue to wait for potential to turn into silverware.
I was interested to learn that Chelsk's players are on average a stone heavier than out boys. No wonder they swat us away with such regularity these days.
And just to finish on a relative positive, things could be worse - a lot worse. We could be in Liverpool's position.
Up The Arsenal.
Nigey in fairness I'd say our back foru from 2002-2005 was pretty darned good, and that was largely built by Arsene Wenger. He brought in Campbell Cole and Lauren and added Toure and Lehmann.nigeyb wrote:Loads of possession but no really decent chances. Things may come good - eventually - but we've been saying that for years now. Close but no cigar. Again.
I love Arsene and acknowledge what an amazing job he's done. His great teams still had the backbone of the George Graham defence. Since the old guard have gone he's never demonstrated that he knows how to create a decent defence - or indeed that he cares about it. To me it's what's missing from this current crop. We've got bags of talent, and when we're allowed to play we're a match for anyone, but it's too easy for teams to find ways to counter what we're good at. We need to weave in a bit of physicality and aggression into the team to augment the flair and talent.
Alas whilst the £££ rolls in and Arsene delivers regular Champs League footie on a shoestring budget the board have no incentive to question or criticise him. Meanwhile we continue to wait for potential to turn into silverware.
I was interested to learn that Chelsk's players are on average a stone heavier than out boys. No wonder they swat us away with such regularity these days.
And just to finish on a relative positive, things could be worse - a lot worse. We could be in Liverpool's position.
Up The Arsenal.
Don't get me wrong Mr. Wenger is not as strong a defensive coach as he ought to be, but I think to ignore that - and that again that predates the cash flow problems of 2005-2007 - is a bit unfair on the man. That wasn't a half-bad defense at all and claimed four trophies.
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A disaster is looming, make no mistake. It appears that many Gooners can't see it coming, they are going to have to experience the disaster to realise what is happening but of course by then it's too late. Lots of us can indeed see it coming and it will hit us hard. I'm sure I'll take some abuse for saying this but I believe we'll be out of the CL places inside the next 2 years.
The failings that we've seen from Wenger over the past few years are being repeated each season. We continue to build on a squad of predominantly small, lightweight players who have little physical strength and presence on the pitch. We continue to have just one way of playing, albeit fantastic to watch when it works, it's mightily depressing when it doesn't, and it doesn't far too often. There is no plan B, there are no tactics to take the oppositions major player(s) out of the game, there is little investment in glaringly weak areas of the squad and when we do invest money, it's almost always too little and it's invested in personnel who struggle to reach the heights required to move Arsenal to the next level. Our manager may or may not be restricted by the board at Arsenal and in all honesty that doesn't matter because when we fail to qualify for the CL, everyone suffers and it's too late by then.
When Arsene Wenger leaves this club in 2014 or maybe before, it's almost certain he will leave it in a very 'rude' state financially but potentially in a very poor state on the pitch. I'm very concerned for our club.
The failings that we've seen from Wenger over the past few years are being repeated each season. We continue to build on a squad of predominantly small, lightweight players who have little physical strength and presence on the pitch. We continue to have just one way of playing, albeit fantastic to watch when it works, it's mightily depressing when it doesn't, and it doesn't far too often. There is no plan B, there are no tactics to take the oppositions major player(s) out of the game, there is little investment in glaringly weak areas of the squad and when we do invest money, it's almost always too little and it's invested in personnel who struggle to reach the heights required to move Arsenal to the next level. Our manager may or may not be restricted by the board at Arsenal and in all honesty that doesn't matter because when we fail to qualify for the CL, everyone suffers and it's too late by then.
When Arsene Wenger leaves this club in 2014 or maybe before, it's almost certain he will leave it in a very 'rude' state financially but potentially in a very poor state on the pitch. I'm very concerned for our club.
I'm not sure how much 'cash flow' had to do with Wenger assembling that back line, to be honest.USMartin wrote: Nigey in fairness I'd say our back foru from 2002-2005 was pretty darned good, and that was largely built by Arsene Wenger. He brought in Campbell Cole and Lauren and added Toure and Lehmann.
Don't get me wrong Mr. Wenger is not as strong a defensive coach as he ought to be, but I think to ignore that - and that again that predates the cash flow problems of 2005-2007 - is a bit unfair on the man. That wasn't a half-bad defense at all and claimed four trophies.
Lehmann was cheap - typical Wenger signing.
Cole was a product of the youth team.
Toure was cheap cheap cheap! - again, a typical Wenger signing.
Campbell was signed on a free. Ok, yes I know he earned shit loads, but I'm not convinced we wouldn't do the same again if the opportunity arose - however, that's my opinion, and I'm sure you'll disagree.
Lauren was a little expensive (£7m?) but then again, Sagna wasn't that cheap either. Anyway, for me, Lauren was always a weak link in a great side.
My point is, I think we can go a little overboard on the finances a bit. We didn't exactly flash the cash a few years ago, and Vermaelen, Squillaci, Koscielny and Sagna weren't exactly bargain basement prices.
No we didn't flash the cash relative to to other clubs but we used more of it especially on wages. Our wage bill now is skewed because it is bottom-weighted and we have far more players yet to play let alone feature in the first team on wages and higher wages than other such players at other clubs.g88ner wrote:I'm not sure how much 'cash flow' had to do with Wenger assembling that back line, to be honest.USMartin wrote: Nigey in fairness I'd say our back foru from 2002-2005 was pretty darned good, and that was largely built by Arsene Wenger. He brought in Campbell Cole and Lauren and added Toure and Lehmann.
Don't get me wrong Mr. Wenger is not as strong a defensive coach as he ought to be, but I think to ignore that - and that again that predates the cash flow problems of 2005-2007 - is a bit unfair on the man. That wasn't a half-bad defense at all and claimed four trophies.
Lehmann was cheap - typical Wenger signing.
Cole was a product of the youth team.
Toure was cheap cheap cheap! - again, a typical Wenger signing.
Campbell was signed on a free. Ok, yes I know he earned shit loads, but I'm not convinced we wouldn't do the same again if the opportunity arose - however, that's my opinion, and I'm sure you'll disagree.
Lauren was a little expensive (£7m?) but then again, Sagna wasn't that cheap either. Anyway, for me, Lauren was always a weak link in a great side.
My point is, I think we can go a little overboard on the finances a bit. We didn't exactly flash the cash a few years ago, and Vermaelen, Squillaci, Koscielny and Sagna weren't exactly bargain basement prices.
I don't think that we ever spent massively but that makes spending even less seem less excusable really.
Excuse me but it "doesn't matter" if he is being "restricted by the Board " even though as a result of all this "a disaster is looming" that gives you reason to be "very concerned for our club". Are you serious?TeeCee wrote:A disaster is looming, make no mistake. It appears that many Gooners can't see it coming, they are going to have to experience the disaster to realise what is happening but of course by then it's too late. Lots of us can indeed see it coming and it will hit us hard. I'm sure I'll take some abuse for saying this but I believe we'll be out of the CL places inside the next 2 years.
The failings that we've seen from Wenger over the past few years are being repeated each season. We continue to build on a squad of predominantly small, lightweight players who have little physical strength and presence on the pitch. We continue to have just one way of playing, albeit fantastic to watch when it works, it's mightily depressing when it doesn't, and it doesn't far too often. There is no plan B, there are no tactics to take the oppositions major player(s) out of the game, there is little investment in glaringly weak areas of the squad and when we do invest money, it's almost always too little and it's invested in personnel who struggle to reach the heights required to move Arsenal to the next level. Our manager may or may not be restricted by the board at Arsenal and in all honesty that doesn't matter because when we fail to qualify for the CL, everyone suffers and it's too late by then.
When Arsene Wenger leaves this club in 2014 or maybe before, it's almost certain he will leave it in a very 'rude' state financially but potentially in a very poor state on the pitch. I'm very concerned for our club.
Arguing about who is to blame doesn't matter because our club is heading for the shit regardless.
If Wenger goes and a new man comes in and spends a total of 10m the following summer, then I'll believe the board are stopping any spending, until then I am 100% convinced that money is available and it is Wenger's choice not to spend and therefore Wenger's decision to run Arsenal out of the CL.
If Wenger goes and a new man comes in and spends a total of 10m the following summer, then I'll believe the board are stopping any spending, until then I am 100% convinced that money is available and it is Wenger's choice not to spend and therefore Wenger's decision to run Arsenal out of the CL.
If it doesn't matter now why will it matter then?TeeCee wrote:Arguing about who is to blame doesn't matter because our club is heading for the shit regardless.
If Wenger goes and a new man comes in and spends a total of 10m the following summer, then I'll believe the board are stopping any spending, until then I am 100% convinced that money is available and it is Wenger's choice not to spend and therefore Wenger's decision to run Arsenal out of the CL.
I think you're just going to say the same thing next year because that's the easy thing to do.
What has you "100% convinced" money is available now other than the Board's word? And if it were why would the Board let him risk running us out of the Champions League. Look what happened to Leeds when that happened there. Why would they let anyone risk that?
Simple......greed.why would the Board let him risk running us out of the Champions League. Look what happened to Leeds when that happened there. Why would they let anyone risk that?
They know that no other 'top' manager would refrain from spending money. They are like a gambler on a winning streak, they think they can't lose, they think they will fill the stadium regardless, they want to make sure they 'see out' that winning streak and milk it for all it's worth. That's why the board will never get rid of Wenger because financially, they are on a winning streak, it doesn't matter that Arsenal football club are not winning anything, why should it to them? They won't admit that the winning streak is over until Arsenal fail to qualify for the CL, then reality will hit home, then they will panic. Then Wenger will go, and he'll laugh all the way to the bank and into another job.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, look at Wenger's history, he does the same at every club, takes them to new highs then takes them back down again.
You seem to be saying exactly what I'm saying but then you decide it's the manager's fault, and that is just ridiculous. Their greed is at the root of all this and to suggest otherwise is just well, crazy.TeeCee wrote:Simple......greed.why would the Board let him risk running us out of the Champions League. Look what happened to Leeds when that happened there. Why would they let anyone risk that?
They know that no other 'top' manager would refrain from spending money. They are like a gambler on a winning streak, they think they can't lose, they think they will fill the stadium regardless, they want to make sure they 'see out' that winning streak and milk it for all it's worth. That's why the board will never get rid of Wenger because financially, they are on a winning streak, it doesn't matter that Arsenal football club are not winning anything, why should it to them? They won't admit that the winning streak is over until Arsenal fail to qualify for the CL, then reality will hit home, then they will panic. Then Wenger will go, and he'll laugh all the way to the bank and into another job.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, look at Wenger's history, he does the same at every club, takes them to new highs then takes them back down again.
