Arsene's obsession

augie · Post by **augie** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:38 am

Paco, our chairman is famous for his ridiculous statements but at least he isnt out picking up tarts/"escorts" in toilets while him and hic club are representing england & europe in the club championships in brazil

Pancho · Post by **Pancho** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:40 am

augie wrote:Paco, our chairman is famous for his ridiculous statements but at least he isnt out picking up tarts/"escorts" in toilets while him and hic club are representing england & europe in the club championships in brazil

I agree...you wont find united fan trying to defend the detestable ex chairman.. as for the club chamionship , well its was a favour for the little ingerlunders to try and win the world cup bid.

Post by **SPUDMASHER** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:49 am

Pancho, you're getting into the realms of bragging instead of constructively adding to the conversation. You need to get it into your head that we don't give a flying fuck how much the red nosed crunt and the portugese poser has won. What we are discussing here is that our very successful boss appears to be trying to prove a point to the world that you don't need to spend big etc. to win things. Now given that his spending is not a tenth of what the other two have spent then I would have to say that he has proven a point quite well already. Yes, to date he has failed to win the champions league, but then so have many other great managers, and no, we haven't won anything for a couple of re-building years but then fergusoan never won fuck all for quite a few years either did he!

Why don't you get over yourself and obsession with with shouting about how big your willy is or fuck off to a site where the members give a toss.

Zimgooner · Post by **Zimgooner** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:54 am

Pancho is battling demons and this forum is not a place for him to exorcise of them. Why he spends a lot of time posting here, baffles the mind. The only reason is that he is Arsenal but battling to put a front. Com' on Pancho, free yourself from the bondage of pretence & enjoy supporting arsenal like the rest of us.

Pancho · Post by **Pancho** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:54 am

SPUDMASHER wrote:Pancho, you're getting into the realms of bragging instead of constructively adding to the conversation. You need to get it into your head that we don't give a flying fuck how much the red nosed crunt and the portugese poser has won. What we are discussing here is that our very successful boss appears to be trying to prove a point to the world that you don't need to spend big etc. to win things. Now given that his spending is not a tenth of what the other two have spent then I would have to say that he has proven a point quite well already. Yes, to date he has failed to win the champions league, but then so have many other great managers, and no, we haven't won anything for a couple of re-building years but then fergusoan never won fuck all for quite a few years either did he!

Why don't you get over yourself and obsession with with shouting about how big your willy is or fuck off to a site where the members give a toss.

apart from the first 3 seasons at United, SAF went 1 season without winning silverware whilst building his 4th great team... as for not spending money, well he did win 3 Scottish championships with unfashinable aberdeedn and beat real madrid in the cup winners cup ..all without spending any money

Post by **SPUDMASHER** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:01 pm

So why does he feel the need to spend so much now? Is it that he is not in Scotland where, lets face it, both our reserve teams would probably win the league, or is it that he is not good enough to do it in a big league without spending fortunes, unlike Wenger. Wenger incidentally also beat Real Madrid but it was in the Champions League and on their own ground. A feat I believe you will find that no other English club has ever achieved.

Pancho · Post by **Pancho** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:07 pm

SPUDMASHER wrote:So why does he feel the need to spend so much now? Is it that he is not in Scotland where, lets face it, both our reserve teams would probably win the league, or is it that he is not good enough to do it in a big league without spending fotunes, unlike Wenger. Wenger incidentally also beat Real Madrid but it was in the Champions League and on their own ground. A feat I believe you will find that no other English club has ever achieved.

well its all relative..united are the bigeest club , with the most fans and the higehst revenue/profits..so it obviuos we are going to spend bit....but

for every rio (26m) we have a vidic ( 5m)
for every rooney ( 27m) we have a scholes ( zero)
for every carrick (18m) we have a giggs( zero)
not to mention the money made on beckahm, butt, neville, richardson, timms, spector, rossi, obi, campbell, chadwick, brandy ..all how cost nothing but brought in over Â£70m ..which more than pid for hargreaves/nani/anderson and tevez.

Gunner152 · Post by **Gunner152** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:10 pm

Pancho wrote:
SPUDMASHER wrote:So why does he feel the need to spend so much now? Is it that he is not in Scotland where, lets face it, both our reserve teams would probably win the league, or is it that he is not good enough to do it in a big league without spending fotunes, unlike Wenger. Wenger incidentally also beat Real Madrid but it was in the Champions League and on their own ground. A feat I believe you will find that no other English club has ever achieved.
well its all relative..united are the bigeest club , with the most fans and the higehst revenue/profits..so it obviuos we are going to spend bit....but

for every rio (26m) we have a vidic ( 5m)
for every rooney ( 27m) we have a scholes ( zero)
for every carrick (18m) we have a giggs( zero)
not to mention the money made on beckahm, butt, neville, richardson, timms, spector, rossi, obi, campbell, chadwick, brandy ..all how cost nothing but brought in over Â£70m ..which more than pid for hargreaves/nani/anderson and tevez.

biggest profits? are you sure.

how much debt you in though? thats right a fucking lot? 15 years profit to pay it off.

Pancho · Post by **Pancho** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:16 pm

Gunner152 wrote:
Pancho wrote:
SPUDMASHER wrote:So why does he feel the need to spend so much now? Is it that he is not in Scotland where, lets face it, both our reserve teams would probably win the league, or is it that he is not good enough to do it in a big league without spending fotunes, unlike Wenger. Wenger incidentally also beat Real Madrid but it was in the Champions League and on their own ground. A feat I believe you will find that no other English club has ever achieved.
well its all relative..united are the bigeest club , with the most fans and the higehst revenue/profits..so it obviuos we are going to spend bit....but

for every rio (26m) we have a vidic ( 5m)
for every rooney ( 27m) we have a scholes ( zero)
for every carrick (18m) we have a giggs( zero)
not to mention the money made on beckahm, butt, neville, richardson, timms, spector, rossi, obi, campbell, chadwick, brandy ..all how cost nothing but brought in over Â£70m ..which more than pid for hargreaves/nani/anderson and tevez.
biggest profits? are you sure.

how much debt you in though? thats right a fucking lot? 15 years profit to pay it off.

htere is no doubt united have a large debt..but our "gearing " what ever that means ( i dont profess to be a finance expert... and neither are you )..is a only 4 times the turnover of the club ..whilst arsenal is neraly 8 times ... and united turnover/wages ratio is less than 47% one of the lowset in the league.

Wayno · Post by **Wayno** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:18 pm

Panto you are always welcome on our forum, it is clearly obvious you find our company more interesting than that of supporters of your own club and I understand why

Post by **flash gunner** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:19 pm

Panto you should get into politics you can turn anything round to make you sound good, have to hand it to you "Panto Blair"

Pancho · Post by **Pancho** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:20 pm

flash gunner wrote:Panto you should get into politics you can turn anything round to make you sound good, have to hand it to you "Panto Blair"

thank you ..it just a case of having a few facts and the intelligence to articulate them

Post by **flash gunner** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:22 pm

Well the real Blair bullshitted for years and got away with it so keep 'em coming

Post by **SPUDMASHER** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:22 pm

When you last raised that same point on another thread (talk about banging the same old drum) I tried to find out what his buy/sell balance was. I couldn't find all the facts because of the long period of time he has been at the club. I do know though that his buy/sell balance has cost the club in excess of Â£100m.
Similarly I tried to do the same for Wenger but because Arsenal do not generally enter the 'look how much we have spent' business and several signings and sales are 'undisclosed fee' it was difficult to exactly determine that too. From what I could establish Wengers balance was less than half of that.

We cannot debate your 'every Rio we have Vidic' list as we have never spent Â£26m on a Rio (our nearest equivalent being a Tony Adams that cost nothing) and even our Gallas only cost the same as your Vidic!
Similarly we can quote a long list of great players that cost nothing so it is a mute point really.

You will always choose a yardstick to measure performance that suits your argument. Most people would! But in truth it is very difficult to find an even measure. I suppose the nearest you would get would be :-

Amount of buy/sell balance divided by number of trophies won.

I'm pretty confident who would win that, but again would it be a fair measure?

Gunner152 · Post by **Gunner152** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:23 pm

Pancho wrote:
Gunner152 wrote:
Pancho wrote:
SPUDMASHER wrote:So why does he feel the need to spend so much now? Is it that he is not in Scotland where, lets face it, both our reserve teams would probably win the league, or is it that he is not good enough to do it in a big league without spending fotunes, unlike Wenger. Wenger incidentally also beat Real Madrid but it was in the Champions League and on their own ground. A feat I believe you will find that no other English club has ever achieved.
well its all relative..united are the bigeest club , with the most fans and the higehst revenue/profits..so it obviuos we are going to spend bit....but

for every rio (26m) we have a vidic ( 5m)
for every rooney ( 27m) we have a scholes ( zero)
for every carrick (18m) we have a giggs( zero)
not to mention the money made on beckahm, butt, neville, richardson, timms, spector, rossi, obi, campbell, chadwick, brandy ..all how cost nothing but brought in over Â£70m ..which more than pid for hargreaves/nani/anderson and tevez.
biggest profits? are you sure.

how much debt you in though? thats right a fucking lot? 15 years profit to pay it off.

htere is no doubt united have a large debt..but our "gearing " what ever that means ( i dont profess to be a finance expert... and neither are you )..is a only 4 times the turnover of the club ..whilst arsenal is neraly 8 times ... and united turnover/wages ratio is less than 47% one of the lowset in the league.

turnover is almost insignificant!!! all that matter is profit, ask any half educated businessman. you could turnover Â£1bn but if your operating costs are Â£1bn then what does it matter.

i just dont understand how you can compare the two clubs finances, yours is wholey and soley the debt of some American Gods! where our overheads are based upon pure ambition and mavelousness.

we have the best stadium in the Uk, best team, best coaches, best facilities, best tactician AW, and best fans.

just admit you wanna be us.