Arsene's obsession

thatgooner · Post by **thatgooner** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:29 pm

Old trafford is just a tourist attraction which i bet 90% of ''united fans'' couldnt point to on a map.

Post by **SPUDMASHER** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:30 pm

Pancho wrote:if you are in finance remind me to avoid your advice....

its simple..its like a swap..if bekham costs us nothong ..then there is no cost..if we sold him for 25m then that 25m profit..is it not..no cost +25m= 25m profit..

rooney cost us 25m ..we use the PROFIT we got from selling beckham who cost us NOTHING ..therefore our net expeidture was ZERO.....

salas 25m -cost of sale (zero) = 25m PROFIT

net profit doesnt constitute csh flow..

Well at least you have proven that you actually do know nothing about finance. Thank you for clarifying that. Pray tell, from which part of a businesses activity is cash flow generated, is it:-
a, cost of sales
b, sales, or
c, profit generated from those sales.

If you answer anything other than c, you are an idiot.

It was effectively a swap and the only benefit Manure achieved from it was the services of the two players (at the cost of their employment). It was the type of transaction more associated to Noel Emonds thirty years ago on a Saturday morning than it was to a forward thinking professional business today.

Pancho · Post by **Pancho** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:31 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:
Pancho wrote:and considering the myth that wenger only buys rough diamonds and creates world class players from nothing ..what happened to this lot..

Igor Stepanovs,
Nelson Vivas
, Kanu,
Pascal
Cygan,
Davor Suker,

Gilles Grimandi
, David Grondin
, Remi Garde,
Kaba
Diawara,
Junichi Inamoto,
Jeremie Aliadiere,
Oleg Luzhny,
,
Richard Wright,
Stefan Malz,
Christopher Wreh

Ok, dummy. One last time. The vast majority of those players cost next to nothing (comparitively speaking). Also (please try to keep up here) we, like all PL clubs operate a SQUAD system - not every player will make it as a first team regular. So the likes of Inamoto, Diawara, Malz, Grondin, Suker all cost little and served the club well at reserve level. We have no problem with that.

You should probably spend a little more time on wikkipedia though before you embarrass yourself on here again;

I don't have time for the full list (or to spend half my day on wikki) etc but from memory;

Wreh - Double winner 1998.
Richard Wright - Double winner 2002.
Grimandi - won two Doubles 1998 & 2002.
Garde - Double winner 1998.
Cygan - UNBEATEN League winner 2004.
Most embarrassing of all for you

;
Kanu - Double winner 2002, FA Cup winner 2003 & UNBEATEN League winner 2004.

Now I think anyone with even half a functioning brain cell will admit that's not a bad return on our investment (maybe you could borrow that half a brain cell from your wife/sister) Further to this, the last time you posted that pointless list I posted this list of your donkeys (homegrown and bought);

Rossi, Forlan, Howard, Barthez, Johnsen, Phil Neville, Carrick, Bellion, Blanc, Bosnich, Carroll, Chadwick, Jordi (I refuse to call him Cruyff), Spector, Djordjic, Darren Ferguson, Goram, Greening, Taibi, Miller, Poborsky, Sealey, Veron, Anderson, Djemba-Djemba (Utd being so â€œclassyâ€

samstrange · Post by **samstrange** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:33 pm

Pancho, Get a life buddy

gus ceasar is a legend · Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:33 pm

Pancho wrote:
gus ceasar is a legend wrote:
Pancho wrote:Oh jesus christ you are grasping at straws now!

Out of that list of names two thirds had a significant impact at Arsenal! Yes there was failures such as Stepanov's and Wright! Others were kids with potential that never quite made the extremely high standards set at Arsenal such as Grondin and Malz. Maybe similar to your once own Ronnie Wallwork and David Johnson, not to mention Johnathan Greening or old good looking Luke Chadwick!

Others such as Grimandi, Garde and Vivas were more than useful players who never set the world on fire ala Darren Fletcher or maybe John O Shea!

On the subject of comings and goings of players and any relusting profit or loss do I have to point these out to you?

Nicholas Anelka....the sale of which bought Thierry Henry to the club while still recording roughly a Â£10 million profit for Arsenal. We then had the best years of the best striker in the world and then sold him at a profit again! Not bad business hey!

Patrick Viera.....I think we payed say Â£4 million for him, let him dominate the midfield for how many years and then sold him past his peak for a huge profit!

I won't go into the cases of Toure, Fabregas, Eboue, Flamini. Clichy, Diaby, etc etc etc and where they came from, where they are now and their respective market values. Even your blinkered vision cannot deny that surely!

On the subject of stadia to argue that Ashburton Grove is inferior to Old Trafford is laughable. Look from the air and ask any neutral what is the best looking ground, Ashburton or Old Trafford and I can guarantee what the result will be! Ashburton Grove is a purpose built stadium which is as comfortable as it is pleasing on the eye! Old Trafford is a mish mash of add ons and after thoughts which can hardly be described as a site of arctictural beauty! Sure it may well be bigger but the Maracana is bigger than Old Trafford and thats a complete shit hole so that is not a valid arguement!

I am sure you even realised your mistake as soon as you tried to mock the atmosphere at Arsenal! Never has been the nosiest true but I never recall insiders of the club mentioning the words "prawn sandwich" and "funeral"!

Haha Gods own city! What the fuck was he doing when he built Salford....taking a shit?

Now for what I find to be the most comical of your points....Arsenal sold their history! We never sold our history at all....we took all that was significant with us! The clock, the marble halls, Chapman's bust etc etc all came across despite huge cost and painstaking problems caused by this. Should we have stayed at Highbury just because that had been our ground for many a year even though it was financially unviable? Don't be stupid! We moved with the times and took what we wanted to keep with us! These sort of comments about selling out your history are wonderfully laughable coming from Manchester united who have sold themselves out time and again! Sure we our board may frustrate us but not once has a potless wanker runout on the pitch juggling a ball masquerading as the new owner and messiah! Oh and surely I don't have to remind you who owns your history now do I?

Anyhow how is the weather in Guildford today Pancho?

make you mind up salford or guildfor ..your soccer am meter is twitching ..for the record I work in the Quays , but live in didsbury...

now onto to the crux of you post

I will summarise...the players you mentioned ..chadwick, wallwork, etc..cost us NOTHING ..therofre when we sold them they made a profit and wnet towwards the cost of other players...

the point about history is quite ironic...Old trafford has always been old trafford..its never been called the burger king bowl etc.. so ask yourslef who has sold out?...

if you compare your stadium to that of stoke/bolton / boro etc..apart form size..there isnt much in it.....a soulless place..OT carries the weight of tradition and history ..the EMIRATES carries the weight of corporate jollies.

So if we buy a player at minimum cost and then sell that player at maximum profit the profit does not count as we payed something in the first place?

To use your house analogy.....you buy a five bedroomed house in Manchester for Â£4, you sell it for Â£6 but you have not made any profit as you paid Â£4 in the first place! Interesting!

Just because I mentioned Salford and Guildford in the same post it does mean that I implied you live in both! Whatever your education, Mancunian or southern I suggest you do some brushing up!

Ask ourselves who sold out........oh fuck me new pants please I'm pissing myself laughing! We may well have sold the title of our new ground ( the name of which is very little used by Arsenal supporters) but we have sold very little else! Where as your club lies in the hands of an American and various finance companies across the globe. I know which I would rather have!

Pancho · Post by **Pancho** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:34 pm

SPUDMASHER wrote:
Pancho wrote:if you are in finance remind me to avoid your advice....

its simple..its like a swap..if bekham costs us nothong ..then there is no cost..if we sold him for 25m then that 25m profit..is it not..no cost +25m= 25m profit..

rooney cost us 25m ..we use the PROFIT we got from selling beckham who cost us NOTHING ..therefore our net expeidture was ZERO.....

salas 25m -cost of sale (zero) = 25m PROFIT

net profit doesnt constitute csh flow..

OK warren Buffet..lets me this as jack and jill as possible....lets say you were walking to school and found a Â£50 note..there is NO COST to you its yours..and then you went to the shop and saw a new dolly ..it cost Â£50 ..are you out of pocket..is there a cost to you ..NO o course not...now please try and stop blubbering like the girl you are..even the other posters on here can see that you are making a ti+ of yourslef.

Well at least you have proven that you actually do know nothing about finance. Thank you for clarifying that. Pray tell, from which part of a businesses activity is cash flow generated, is it:-
a, cost of sales
b, sales, or
c, profit generated from those sales.

If you answer anything other than c, you are an idiot.

It was effectively a swap and the only benefit Manure achieved from it was the services of the two players (at the cost of their employment). It was the type of transaction more associated to Noel Emonds thirty years ago on a Saturday morning than it was to a forward thinking professional business today.

thatgooner · Post by **thatgooner** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:34 pm

WOOOOAAAH great comeback their panto..
i'll have to write that one down.

Post by **SPUDMASHER** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:39 pm

Pancho wrote:
SPUDMASHER wrote:
Pancho wrote:if you are in finance remind me to avoid your advice....

its simple..its like a swap..if bekham costs us nothong ..then there is no cost..if we sold him for 25m then that 25m profit..is it not..no cost +25m= 25m profit..

rooney cost us 25m ..we use the PROFIT we got from selling beckham who cost us NOTHING ..therefore our net expeidture was ZERO.....

salas 25m -cost of sale (zero) = 25m PROFIT

net profit doesnt constitute csh flow..

OK warren Buffet..lets me this as jack and jill as possible....lets say you were walking to school and found a Â£50 note..there is NO COST to you its yours..and then you went to the shop and saw a new dolly ..it cost Â£50 ..are you out of pocket..is there a cost to you ..NO o course not...now please try and stop blubbering like the girl you are..even the other posters on here can see that you are making a ti+ of yourslef.

Well at least you have proven that you actually do know nothing about finance. Thank you for clarifying that. Pray tell, from which part of a businesses activity is cash flow generated, is it:-
a, cost of sales
b, sales, or
c, profit generated from those sales.

If you answer anything other than c, you are an idiot.

It was effectively a swap and the only benefit Manure achieved from it was the services of the two players (at the cost of their employment). It was the type of transaction more associated to Noel Emonds thirty years ago on a Saturday morning than it was to a forward thinking professional business today.

You still haven't got the hang of this quote business have you. The point being Forrest, you didn't make anything from the transaction did you?
There was no profit was there? Therefore you must borrow to generate cash flow as you are not making it yourselves with transactions like that.
How obvious does it need to be.

By the way, on the issue of sell outs, yes we sold the naming rights of our stadium to corporate sponsorship. Just like both clubs sell advertising on their shirts, no different really is it? You sold your entire fucking club and you have the nerve to call us sellouts!

Pancho · Post by **Pancho** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:44 pm

bangs head against desk .. and I really am quite amazed that yoou are allowed near a computer on your own......

quck question ...if beckham cost us NOTHING ,,using the dolly anolgy .. and we sold him for Â£50... and we used that free Â£50 ..to buy rooney for Â£50..what is our cost...if you come up with any figure, you need to seek medical attention

Post by **REB** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:44 pm

panto please fcuk off to someother forum,, ur repeating your self so much these days,, theres nothing new,, a bit lke your alcoholic manager furgi,,
how is owen these days , the 18million superstar and carrick the 15million superstar,, play a lot of games dont they,, value for money id say,, and how is the interest payments on the loan the yanks have,, no payment off the loan i read just the interest,, hope that doesnt go bottoms up at some stage,, now that would be a pity

and fergi Mmmmmmmmmm
giving out about the fans,, maybe he should go to fc united or city where the real mancs are,,

Wayno · Post by **Wayno** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:46 pm

Panto do you still have stabilisers on your bike or do you ride a tricycle

Pancho · Post by **Pancho** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:47 pm

rebel gooner wrote:panto please fcuk off to someother forum,, ur repeating your self so much these days,, theres nothing new,, a bit lke your alcoholic manager furgi,,
how is owen these days , the 18million superstar and carrick the 15million superstar,, play a lot of games dont they,, value for money id say,, and how is the interest payments on the loan the yanks have,, no payment off the loan i read just the interest,, hope that doesnt go bottoms up at some stage,, now that would be a pity

and fergi Mmmmmmmmmm
giving out about the fans,, maybe he should go to fc united or city where the real mancs are,,

afew more soccer am cliches and you qualify for a big foam hand and poster from lovely timmy lovejoy...

you are new to this football lark arent you?

gus ceasar is a legend · Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:48 pm

Give it up Pancho.......your just making yourself look a mug!

Any self respecting person would have seen the schoolboy errors they have made and called the job a bad un and walked away by now!

You answer with non-factual bullshit constantly! Sure if believeing it helps you sleep better at night then you carry on but please don't try and insult our intelligence by trying to make out to us that you know best about our club!

I am sure you are very knowledgeable about all things Man Yoo but you know what....we frankly couldn't give a shit!

Post by **SPUDMASHER** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:49 pm

using simple terms (because I feel I really need to)

I am given a piece of metal (call it a footballer)
Status + or - Â£0.00
I spend Â£20 machining it to a shape (call it his wages whilst at the club)
Status - Â£20.00

both the above are considered to be cost of sales

I sell him for Â£50 (call it his transfer fee)
status + Â£30.00 (sometimes called profit)

I buy another piece of metal for Â£50.00 (call it his replacement)
status - Â£20.00

Where exactly in that did I make money?

Pancho · Post by **Pancho** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:50 pm

is your bottom lip quivering ..all you cyber boys been given the round around ( thatsounds like mike read for all you older memebers)

by this quick witted well informed and thick skinned manc....ave it!!!!