The US Martin BORED Thread

[USMartin]

In an effort to clear up the site and return it to what it is for (talking about Arsenal playing football), please post all Board-related chat here.

(Mods - could this be made a sticky?)

To start off the debate, I will post my take on events, from what I understand to be the case.

Who holds the Power at the Emirates - the Board or Wenger?

Wenger, no doubt.

I would suggest the balance is a bit more co-dependent here. You make a terrific case for the Board's needing Arsene Wenger, but it sort of skips over the point that in fact Arsenal Wenger needs our Board.

The fact is at this point in time Arsene Wenger would remain a coveted asset to many if not most top football clubs. Having said that however his value has clearly diminished away from Arsenal as his success on the pitch had declined and only a club with a very similar business model or plan to Arsenal's would want Mr. Wenger on his terms now.

The bottom line is there is no club where Arsene Wenger could make the money he is making at Arsenal and do it under as little pressure as he is to produce trophies as he is at Arsenal. It's why he was never seriously leaving fpr Real Madrid. He could have won La Liga and still gotten sacked there. Why take on that risk when you are absolutely secure in your well-paid position at Arsenal so long as you finish top-four?

Have the Board over the last ten years mis-led us about the financial support available to the manager?

I think you have to ask though if in fact his decision to rely on these players wasn't shaped by financial constraints in terms of both wages and transfer fess? I think most of us agree at least whatever the reasoniing about the motive that were such contraints imposed upon the manager, anbd it's hard to imagine him continuing to rely on these inferior players if he the financial muscle again to act to replace them as needed.

Was the faith in youth and a constrained budget brought in by the problems with Highbury?:

barscarf:

This seems a bit of a stretch as we still could have chosen to invest a bit more in the team either in terms of wages or transfers where and when needed and still not gone broke trying to keep up. This sounds like that logic that suggest there are onloy two choices in every circumstance, the logic coming from Peter Hill-Wood when he suggests that more spending on the football team could result in us ending up like Leeds.

It also doesn't look good when they maintain this scenario of concern about our financial, viabilty as the cash in on millions from selling shres whose price was pushed up in part by these policies. I don't believe Board members should be required to re-invest any of those profits back inot the football club or tewam unless they were to choose to. Having sid that it makes their concern about their "custodianship of the club" look a little disingenuous and is troublling as such.

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[frankbutcher]

Sure I'd do Beyonce in a New York Minute.

Oh yeah, I can see it now.

Corner of Club New York, Manhattan.

Middle aged Yankee somehow slips security and siddles up to Mrs Carter.

USM: Say babe, I know you're married, and pregnant, and all that stuff, but how about spending the night with good ole' Martin, I know how to work it?

BEYONCE: I'm a Southern girl, and we stay by our man, but he's overseas so maybe we can have a little fun. Do you like my ample booty?

USM: Never mind that, I can tell you all about the Board of Arsenal Football Club. Do you know what Sir Samuel Hill-Wood did in 1920? Do you understand the imminency of the debt leveraged takeover and how it would ruin this club? Do you ? Do You?

BEYONCE: Err, wouldn't you rather watch me shake my booty?

USM: I am focussed on The Board.Sign my petition now. Sign it. Do it. I lust after the signature. Do it now, I insist! If you fail to sign you are disengenous, a liar, a whore, a low down dirty skank.

BEYONCE: SECURITY!!!!!!

An hour later.....

FOX News at Midnight with Caspar Milktoast.

"We have just received reports that the beaten body of an unidentified man has been found in an alley in the Marcy Projects, Brooklyn. Police are unaware whom it is but a tattoo saying "Sack the Board" is emblazoned across his stomach.
Any information please call Officer Dibble at 5th Precinct on 1-800-555-Coffee-n Donuts."

Beyonce's New Track ft. US Martin

Now put your hands up
Up in the club (level), we just woke up,
I’m doing my own little thing
you Decided to dip but now you wanna trip
Cuz another brother noticed me
I’m up on him, he up on me
dont pay him any attention
cuz i cried my tears, GAVE three good years
Ya can’t be mad at me

[Chorus]
Cuz if you liked my petition you should have put a pen on it
If you liked it then you shoulda put a pen on it
Don’t be mad once you see that you want it
If you liked it then you shoulda put a pen on it

wo oh ooh oh oh ooh oh oh ooh oh oh oh
wo oh ooh oh oh ooh oh oh ooh oh oh oh

[stg]

Sure I'd do Beyonce in a New York Minute

I think you need some delay spray or something there USM or does a New York minute last longer than a minute elsewhwere in the world?

[olgitgooner]

But I feel this thread is being hijacked and driven away from non-board matters.

[Arsenal 1991]

I think this squad is the best we've had since 2006. Chamakh is giving us an extra dimension, Nasri is living up to his promise and Cesc is Cesc!

Woops, I've just hijacked a thread

BY FAR THE GREATEST BOARD, THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN

[RossieGooner]

Sure I'd do Beyonce in a New York Minute.

Oh yeah, I can see it now.

Corner of Club New York, Manhattan.

Middle aged Yankee somehow slips security and siddles up to Mrs Carter.

USM: Say babe, I know you're married, and pregnant, and all that stuff, but how about spending the night with good ole' Martin, I know how to work it?

BEYONCE: I'm a Southern girl, and we stay by our man, but he's overseas so maybe we can have a little fun. Do you like my ample booty?

USM: Never mind that, I'd rather tell you all about the Board of Arsenal Football Club. Do you know what Sir Samuel Hill-Wood did in 1920? Do you understand the imminency of the debt leveraged takeover and how it would ruin this club? Do you ? Do You?

BEYONCE: Err, wouldn't you rather watch me shake my booty?

USM: No. Not now. I am focussed on The Board. Sign my petition now. Sign it. Do it. I lust after your signature. Do it now, I insist! If you fail to sign you are disengenous, a liar, a whore, a low down dirty skank.

BEYONCE: SECURITY!!!!!!

An hour later.....

FOX News at Midnight with Caspar Milktoast.

"We have just received reports that the beaten body of an unidentified man has been found in an alley in the Marcy Projects, Brooklyn. Police are unaware whom it is but a tattoo saying "Sack the Board" is emblazoned across his stomach.
Any information please call Officer Dibble at 5th Precinct on 1-800-555-Coffee-n Donuts."

[stg]

But I feel this thread is being hijacked and driven away from non-board matters.

Ok back to board matters


whats better Hard, chip or ply?

[frankbutcher]

In an effort to clear up the site and return it to what it is for (talking about Arsenal playing football), please post all Board-related chat here.

(Mods - could this be made a sticky?)

To start off the debate, I will post my take on events, from what I understand to be the case.

Who holds the Power at the Emirates - the Board or Wenger?

Wenger, no doubt.

I would suggest the balance is a bit more co-dependent here. You make a terrific case for the Board's needing Arsene Wenger, but it sort of skips over the point that in fact Arsenal Wenger needs our Board.

The fact is at this point in time Arsene Wenger would remain a coveted asset to many if not most top football clubs. Having said that however his value has clearly diminished away from Arsenal as his success on the pitch had declined and only a club with a very similar business model or plan to Arsenal's would want Mr. Wenger on his terms now.

The bottom line is there is no club where Arsene Wenger could make the money he is making at Arsenal and do it under as little pressure as he is to produce trophies as he is at Arsenal. It's why he was never seriously leaving fpr Real Madrid. He could have won La Liga and still gotten sacked there. Why take on that risk when you are absolutely secure in your well-paid position at Arsenal so long as you finish top-four?

Have the Board over the last ten years mis-led us about the financial support available to the manager?

I think you have to ask though if in fact his decision to rely on these players wasn't shaped by financial constraints in terms of both wages and transfer fess? I think most of us agree at least whatever the reasoniing about the motive that were such contraints imposed upon the manager, anbd it's hard to imagine him continuing to rely on these inferior players if he the financial muscle again to act to replace them as needed.

Was the faith in youth and a constrained budget brought in by the problems with Highbury?:

barscarf:

This seems a bit of a stretch as we still could have chosen to invest a bit more in the team either in terms of wages or transfers where and when needed and still not gone broke trying to keep up. This sounds like that logic that suggest there are onloy two choices in every circumstance, the logic coming from Peter Hill-Wood when he suggests that more spending on the football team could result in us ending up like Leeds.

It also doesn't look good when they maintain this scenario of concern about our financial, viabilty as the cash in on millions from selling shres whose price was pushed up in part by these policies. I don't believe Board members should be required to re-invest any of those profits back inot the football club or tewam unless they were to choose to. Having sid that it makes their concern about their "custodianship of the club" look a little disingenuous and is troublling as such.

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In essence, I feel that Wenger and the Board have AGREED TOGETHER not to compete with Man City and Chelsea, because they can't. Just spending a few more million or a few more thousand on wages doesn't work. You either compete, or you don't. There is no middle ground. If you buy a player for £20m and put him on £150k a week, every senior player wants £150k per week. We can't do it.

Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd are UNSUSTAINABLE. They will go bust one day and Arsenal won't (unless we get bought out)

Are the Directors planning to sell up after de-gearing the Club for years and building up oodles of cash? Who knows?

One thing I do know is that they are fully entitled to take dividends from the Club, which they are not doing. The cash is being used on player wages and on paying down debt. I know the value of the shares has shot up, but to be honest this has more to do with Kroenke and Usmanov getting involved than anything. ACTUALLY, the share price has gone down since Kroenke and Usmanov bought at their peak. And who has sold shares?

Dein - no longer in the business, but seen as the saviour (despite making as fortune out of the Club)
Fiszman - why shouldn't he sell a few shares?
Lady Nina - up for sale but at a joke price. If Usmanov or Kroenke were going to buy the Club and leverage it up on debt, would they not have done it by now????????????????

[RossieGooner]

Fair play - a thread on the board about the "Board"... hopefully this will allow the rest of us that wish to discuss players, stadium, tactics, performances, transfers, kit, tits ( ), etc - in fact ANYTHING to do with Arsenal wont result in a shitefest about the Board.....

You have your own private playarea here now USM - please dont hijack (with Board related points) everywhere else that we talking Arsenal.....

[Iceman29]

Fair play - a thread on the board about the "Board"... hopefully this will allow the rest of us that wish to discuss players, stadium, tactics, performances, transfers, kit, tits ( ), etc - in fact ANYTHING to do with Arsenal wont result in a shitefest about the Board.....

You have your own private playarea here now USM - please dont hijack (with Board related points) everywhere else that we talking Arsenal.....

Unfortunately Rossie he has already declined the request

[olgitgooner]

But I feel this thread is being hijacked and driven away from non-board matters.

Ok back to board matters


whats better Hard, chip or ply?

As I currently work as a carpenter, I can give you a definitive answer.

Hardboard attracts moisture and expands and warps. Very low tensile strength.

Chipboard is ok but has low tensile strength.

Plywood is great. High tensile strength. The face layer may have very attractive grain. Varnishable/polishable. Weather resistant if it's a marine or WP type. The only problem is the cut edges, which need to be faced with solid wood or solid wood veneer.

MDF is shit. Glorified cardboard. And the dust from it is liable to give you cancer if you're not careful.

Hope this helps.

[QuartzGooner]

Aigghhhht.

Not only has Beyonce made a new track exclusive to Frankbutcher, USMARTIN is now the new JAY-Z.

He has remixed his own track "Girls, Girls, Girls".

Those who do not know the original should listen here for a minute. For those not into Hip Hop (Rebel!) don't worry, the lyrics are clear and the video is a treat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUg7G3CPos0


BOARD BOARD BOARD - USMARTIN REMIX.


(CHORUS)
The Board, Board, Board, Board,
The Board I do abhor,
Give me their number,
They’ll be Six Feet Under,
And Lady Nina’s a Whore.


We got a Yank director,
Makes me wanna get violent,
But when I try to holla,
He just stays silent,
He’s playing us like poker,
Taking me for a joker,
But as for his wifey,
I’d like to poke her.

We got an Uzbek chap,
Owns many a share,
Tried to muscle in,
Like the Russian Bear,
Only plus point,
He’s not a toff,
But if you ask me,
He can Usmanov.

(CHORUS)
The Board, Board, Board, Board,
The Board I do abhhor,
Give me their number,
They’ll be Six Feet Under,
And Lady Nina’s a Whore.


Got an Indian Girl,
Trying to curry favour,
Selling her legacy,
Makes me hate her,
I wanna do her in,
Like a Gramercy Riff,
For dissing the name
Of Bracewell-Smith.

Another director,
Name of Lord Harris,
Wanna kick him,
In the Aris,
Bit of a wide boy,
Like David Beckham,
Stuff his massive,
And their homies from Peckham.


(CHORUS)
The Board, Board, Board, Board,
The Board I do abhhor,
Give me their number,
They’ll be Six Feet Under,
And Lady Nina’s a Whore.

There’s a local lad,
Name of Friar,
Selling his shares,
Makes him a liar,
Islington born,
Islington bred,
Wanna punch him,
In his head.


Chairman of the Board,
Went to Eton,
Like to kick him,
In two veg meat n’,
He doesn’t do things,
As he should,
It’s not all good,
In the Hill-Wood.

Gotta scoundrel director,
Name of Fiszman,
Spends his time,
Chillin’ In Switzerland,
Blow him up ,
With ammunition,
Makes me wanna,
Start a petition,

Last not least,
Is Ivan G,
A JCL,
Joined recently,
Arsenalisation,
For a fee,
It all sounds,
Like Greek to me.


(CHORUS)
The Board, Board, Board, Board,
The Board I do abhhor,
Give me their number,
They’ll be Six Feet Under,
And Lady Nina’s a Whore.

(CHORUS till fade)

[frankbutcher]

[augie]

For the record I believe that this board currently "serving" Arsenal are an absolute shower of wankers that are only interested in increasing the value of their shares and I wish they would fcuk off and mine some coal or gas out in chile

Funnily enough it isnt just usmartin that feels this way but because of constant beating of this drum most of you have now taken the position of opposing whatever he says and tbh martin you only have yourself to blame

[RossieGooner]

Fair play - a thread on the board about the "Board"... hopefully this will allow the rest of us that wish to discuss players, stadium, tactics, performances, transfers, kit, tits ( ), etc - in fact ANYTHING to do with Arsenal wont result in a shitefest about the Board.....

You have your own private playarea here now USM - please dont hijack (with Board related points) everywhere else that we talking Arsenal.....

Unfortunately Rossie he has already declined the request

Is there no ened to it!!!