Arshavin?

Yankee_Gooner_Dandee · Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:44 pm

Right now i'd start Nasri, Walcott, and Rosicky ahead of him but selling him would be stupid. He is quality and we are trying to win titles, and that doesnt happen by selling your best players.

Bergkamp-Genius · Post by **Bergkamp-Genius** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:57 pm

Henry Norris 1913 wrote:
Magic Hat wrote:
Henry Norris 1913 wrote:
anyone could have done what he has. he is a luxury player who lets everyone else do the work so he can take the credit.

he has had some great moments in the arsenal shirt (4 at anfield , his goal at home v blackburn etc) but he doesn't work hard enough .
Can they? So why aren't the likes of Nasri and co joint top of the assists? Why did our first two goals involve Arshavin picking the pass that unhinged the City defence? In CL and Prem, Arshavin has the most assists, one less goal then Nasri and a slightly better goal/assist per minute then Nasri does I believe. We are lucky to have two wingers flying at the moment

Just seems strange to me that one gets praised and the other one people want sold.
statistics suggest denilson is the best passer in the premier league.

I think that about sums it up...

I think AA has exceptional creative ability probably as good as anyone in the prem when for the odd moment he can actually be bothered to make the effort, but i'm afraid his overall contribution and more importantly his attitude are embarrassingly poor..

There is far more to football than stats and in this case they are totally misleading, they take absolutely no account of the effect his laziness and poor attitude have on the functioning of the rest of the team.
I'm sure if Nasri Cesc Rvp Wilshere or any other decent creative player could just doss around in dangerous positions without taking up their responsibility to track back, close down and support team mates for 90 minutes their stats would be through the roof. But the damage not pulling their weight would do to the overall team performance would more often than not more than negate their heroic individual stats..

No one expects AA to be putting in the kind of shift Tevez does but i do expect him to be putting in more work rate than the goalkeeper, which in most games he doesn't and unless he is scoring more goals than the opposition in every game which he certainly isn't, then that kind of lack of effort just isn't acceptable..

Magic Hat · Post by **Magic Hat** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:44 am

Henry Norris 1913 wrote:
statistics suggest denilson is the best passer in the premier league.

then logically, Denilson must be one of the best at keeping possession going. Logically Arshavin must be one of our best in opening teams up so far this season

In the end, we must decide if Arshavin's failure to track back is too big a problem. For me, it isn't, one of the DM's can cover and if their righttback is a strong attacker, Wenger should put Arshavin on the other flank. We need Arshavin's ability to suddenly unlock defences as he has been doing all season, he is in form and so he should start. Bergkamp-Genius feels the failure to track back is a problem and that is fair enough

In this world where seeming effort (not actual effort as Berbatov has discovered) is worth more then talent, a lot of fans will ignore everything Arshavin does because he doesn't run around like a loon, which annoys me. Example "what did he do against Man City" when he played a big part in two goals and made a vital challenge. Or he isn't performing when he has one less Prem/CL goal then Nasri, a better goal/assist rate per minute and more assists. Or finding excuses for why beloved player x and y haven't got the same stats.

wlchuccc · Post by **wlchuccc** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:51 am

Magic Hat wrote:
Henry Norris 1913 wrote:
statistics suggest denilson is the best passer in the premier league.
then logically, Denilson must be one of the best at keeping possession going. Logically Arshavin must be one of our best in opening teams up so far this season

In the end, we must decide if Arshavin's failure to track back is too big a problem. For me, it isn't, one of the DM's can cover and if their righttback is a strong attacker, Wenger should put Arshavin on the other flank. We need Arshavin's ability to suddenly unlock defences as he has been doing all season, he is in form and so he should start. Bergkamp-Genius feels the failure to track back is a problem and that is fair enough

In this world where seeming effort (not actual effort as Berbatov has discovered) is worth more then talent, a lot of fans will ignore everything Arshavin does because he doesn't run around like a loon, which annoys me. Example "what did he do against Man City" when he played a big part in two goals and made a vital challenge. Or he isn't performing when he has one less Prem/CL goal then Nasri, a better goal/assist rate per minute and more assists. Or finding excuses for why beloved player x and y haven't got the same stats.

I think we all know what Arshavin could do....At one point, I think he could be as good as Messi. But this season or last season, he keeps on giving stupid passes/ missing easy chances. He hardly tries to dribble (or can't dribble). Walking (not participating) when he has or doesn't have the ball. This is annoying. How many times have you seen him being sub in 70 mins or so? And he looks extremely tired always!! He played 90 mins at Anfield and run 50 meters to score the last goal just before the stoppage time at Anfield. He can play for a 90 mins game if he wants to...maybe he is still sad that Russia couldn't for the WC

Gooner Whitey · Post by **Gooner Whitey** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:42 am

did anyone see arshavin at the end of the game sunday? when he came over to clap us and he had a jacket on that came down to his knees?? Was so funny

mikeyb772001 · Post by **mikeyb772001** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:56 am

He is lazy, but its hard to drop him. Even when he playing shit AA23 can do something no other player can really do (on his day)
He has shown this many timnes with his clever flicks that cause goals. Would be hard to drop him unless Wenger went out and bought another player of AA23's skill.

marcengels · Post by **marcengels** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:10 pm

mikeyb772001 wrote:He is lazy, but its hard to drop him. Even when he playing shit AA23 can do something no other player can really do (on his day)
He has shown this many timnes with his clever flicks that cause goals. Would be hard to drop him unless Wenger went out and bought another player of AA23's skill.

stop it, you're killing me..

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:37 pm

It's not just his inability to track back or put in a proper shift that is maddening at times... for me he also often looks bored and frustrated after trying to be extra clever with the ball and his team mates not really understanding what he is trying to do. He seems to get a bit huffy and then lose interest for about ten minutes or so after these things happen.

Having said that he offers something that only Cesc and young Jack also offer on any type of regular basis; that moment of TRUE genius that splits open a defense or that sublime finish to score a superb goal. At times he has the ability to do things most defenders can't comprehend or deal with.

A bit of a luxury player? Probably. But sometimes that's what you need too.

Number 5 · Post by **Number 5** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:10 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:A bit of a luxury player? Probably. But sometimes that's what you need too.

The trouble with Arsenal at the moment is that we really can't afford a luxury player.

They way we defend, we're likely to be 2 down against better teams, before the genius in Arshavin starts to show. And then it's too late.

Arshavin would excel in a team solid enough to rarely go one down and with enough quality to put a game out of sight in the first 30 minutes. Say like, I don't know, Arsenal circa 2002 -2004.

LDB · Post by **LDB** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:01 pm

Number 5 wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:A bit of a luxury player? Probably. But sometimes that's what you need too.
The trouble with Arsenal at the moment is that we really can't afford a luxury player.

They way we defend, we're likely to be 2 down against better teams, before the genius in Arshavin starts to show. And then it's too late.

Arshavin would excel in a team solid enough to rarely go one down and with enough quality to put a game out of sight in the first 30 minutes. Say like, I don't know, Arsenal circa 2002 -2004.

Yeah he'd be great in a team that decided to sell highbury rather then re-develop it

2300laursen · Post by **2300laursen** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:23 pm

im pretty sure that if he was on that team he would be running.. either to play football or to avoid a lashing from the local captain of Highbury..

GoonerN5 · Post by **GoonerN5** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:25 pm

worthing gooner wrote:Would sell him. If he turns up at any point this season it would be a start. Happy to backtrack but can you see a match winning performance against the big boys at all anyone??

When is the last time anybody put in a match winning performance against the big boys?

marcengels · Post by **marcengels** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:46 pm

GoonerN5 wrote:
worthing gooner wrote:Would sell him. If he turns up at any point this season it would be a start. Happy to backtrack but can you see a match winning performance against the big boys at all anyone??
When is the last time anybody put in a match winning performance against the big boys?

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:16 am

Number 5 wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:A bit of a luxury player? Probably. But sometimes that's what you need too.
The trouble with Arsenal at the moment is that we really can't afford a luxury player.

They way we defend, we're likely to be 2 down against better teams, before the genius in Arshavin starts to show. And then it's too late.

Arshavin would excel in a team solid enough to rarely go one down and with enough quality to put a game out of sight in the first 30 minutes. Say like, I don't know, Arsenal circa 2002 -2004.

Agree to a certain extent. Certainly wouldn't play him for 90 minutes, but then can he be an impact player? I'm also not sure about him fitting into that 2002-2004 team so smoothly. He certainly has the technique and intelligence of play, but does he have the pace/physicality that that team used so effectively?

GunnerDude · Post by **GunnerDude** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:50 am

An 80,000k a wk contract should help this debate.

ARSENAL are ready to open talks with Andrey Arshavin over a new Â£80,000-a-week deal.
But they are only willing to give the Russian international an extra year on the Emirates contract which runs out in 19 months' time.

Manager Arsene Wenger is keen to secure the player's future before the New Year and wants to begin negotiations with his agent Dennis Lachter.

But Wenger has made it clear he will not be committing the club to a long-term deal with a player who will celebrate his 30th birthday next May.

Wenger has made it official club policy not to offer more than 12 months at a time to any player past 30 and is not in the mood to make an exception for Arshavin.

Arshavin signed a three-year Â£70,000-a-week deal when he joined from Zenit St Petersburg in January 2009 for Â£15million.

Now Wenger is keen to make Arshavin one of the highest-paid players at the club with a Â£4million-a-year contract to 2013.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... senal.html