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marcengels wrote:One cannot possibly know from a distance how "Irish" Mark Noble feels, or aware of the country that he may play for, but there is a past record of players who have little cultural awareness or upbringing to tie them to that country.
I don't want to make this an England/Ireland thing, but it is relevant recent historical example. I want players to play for a country to which they have blood ties or through which they have been brought up for most of their young life (ie through the schools system).
What I don't like is the choosing of international teams through convenience, or because the way to a preferred choice had been cut-off.
Note: LDB But it's Potatoes.
Personally I don't really care much tbh. International footy is mostly just shite. The last world cup nearly put me off football in general it was so fucking rubbish.
enjibenji wrote:and let us not forget what happend the last time we played a match
oh yes we went 1 nil up against your lot, and then your own fans started a riot.
Would you like some ketchup with that?
RoI and the home countries are rivalled only by s***s in terms of bitterness.
Can't agree with that bolded bit, mate. Most (even the die hard) RoI fans are fairly happy go lucky. They love to hate Engerland (but 99% of them support an Engerlish team). It's all tongue in cheek. Only a minority of mongos have any real hatred (the same as in any other country).
Lol I love this thread. Ireland are "bitter" over the success of the England NT.
England "punch above their weight".
Anyway, just because a player is born somewhere else doesn't mean they see themselves as from there. Kilbane is English born, but is as Irish as anybody, he really is. Called himself Irish growing up etc.
Now we know for a fact O'Hara and Nolan don't do this and thus won't be welcomed into the squad. Also the fact that neither are worth a shite, is also to do with it.
Wayne Rooney is half Irish, could have declared for Ireland. Hargreaves is Canadian. Barnes is Jamaican etc, you lot can't look down on us.
Irish Gooner wrote:Lol I love this thread. Ireland are "bitter" over the success of the England NT.
England "punch above their weight".
Anyway, just because a player is born somewhere else doesn't mean they see themselves as from there. Kilbane is English born, but is as Irish as anybody, he really is. Called himself Irish growing up etc.
Now we know for a fact O'Hara and Nolan don't do this and thus won't be welcomed into the squad. Also the fact that neither are worth a shite, is also to do with it.
Wayne Rooney is half Irish, could have declared for Ireland. Hargreaves is Canadian. Barnes is Jamaican etc, you lot can't look down on us.
You start off with a good point and then fuck it up with a shit generalisation.
Hargreaves I believe has English parents but born in another country - Kilbane has Irish blood but was born in another country. What's the fucking difference? Cos you know Kilbane calls himself "Irish" and Hargreaves speaks with a Canadian accent? Does Kilbane put a fake "oirish" accent on?
Irish Gooner wrote:Lol I love this thread. Ireland are "bitter" over the success of the England NT.
There is definately a "well at least England lost" philosophy that runs through the scots and the welsh. The few irish people i have spoken to suggests to me it exists over there as well. Judging by what DB10 says i could well be wrong, at which point I'd retract that statement
England "punch above their weight".
I cant see where that has been said in this thread. I said that I believe that England punch at just about their weight; which is around 5th in the world. We have the potential to go higher then that but until some structural reforms are made to the English game it isnt going to happen.
Irish Gooner wrote:Lol I love this thread. Ireland are "bitter" over the success of the England NT.
England "punch above their weight".
Anyway, just because a player is born somewhere else doesn't mean they see themselves as from there. Kilbane is English born, but is as Irish as anybody, he really is. Called himself Irish growing up etc.
Now we know for a fact O'Hara and Nolan don't do this and thus won't be welcomed into the squad. Also the fact that neither are worth a shite, is also to do with it.
Wayne Rooney is half Irish, could have declared for Ireland. Hargreaves is Canadian. Barnes is Jamaican etc, you lot can't look down on us.
Having "Zinedine" Kilbane in your national team is nothing to boast about, mate. O'Hara and Nolan on the other hand are decent players and are better than anything Oireland have got. They could really help the tarmacers qualify for a tournament again, something they've struggled to do since they got rid of all the Engerland rejects.
enjibenji wrote:and let us not forget what happend the last time we played a match
oh yes we went 1 nil up against your lot, and then your own fans started a riot.
Would you like some ketchup with that?
RoI and the home countries are rivalled only by s***s in terms of bitterness.
Can't agree with that bolded bit, mate. Most (even the die hard) RoI fans are fairly happy go lucky. They love to hate Engerland (but 99% of them support an Engerlish team). It's all tongue in cheek. Only a minority of mongos have any real hatred (the same as in any other country).
DB's summed it perfect. There's a large majority that will cheer for the opposition against England but as he says it's tongue in cheek.
Personally I like to see them doing well but I lived in the England for a considerable time and I understand how decent the English people are towards us Irish.
I think the situation that arose a few years back at Croke Park summed up Ireland v England in it's present format. Equal respect when the chips are down.
But it's Potatoes.
