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Percy Dalton
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Its Up 4 Grabs Now
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Percy Dalton wrote:Only on the Gooner forum can Mr Knows shagging a third rate rapper become become a debate about mortgage repayments.
The board made him do it. Clearly what happened was PHW sourced the frog-fanny, Fiszman slipped Wenger a roofie & Friar Tuck tripped Wenger up so that he fell cock-first into her. And they've been using this to force Wenger not to spend. If David Dein was about Wenger would still be a virgin.
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Percy Dalton
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Really?Its Up 4 Grabs Now wrote:Percy Dalton wrote:Only on the Gooner forum can Mr Knows shagging a third rate rapper become become a debate about mortgage repayments.
The board made him do it. Clearly what happened was PHW sourced the frog-fanny, Fiszman slipped Wenger a roofie & Friar Tuck tripped Wenger up so that he fell cock-first into her. And they've been using this to force Wenger not to spend. If David Dein was about Wenger would still be a virgin.
I heard he is signing her as an impact sub to paly alongside JET in the Carling Cup!
But then again I am not intelligent enough to read a proper paper and can only understand The Sun as it has lots of pictures in it so what do I know?
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Never Outgunned
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Cockerill's chin
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Neveroutgunned, you need to tread more carefully with your arguments because your credibility is being undermined by ignorance and false assumption parading as passion.
Point out the spoilt bastards who believe it is a divine right to finish top two. No club has a right to finish there. What galls, however, is how quickly we have been prepared to walk backwards from the invincibles and away from the chance to compete for those positions. We have lowered our bar far more than the millions of Chelsea have risen theirs.
As Augie said, we enjoyed success at Arsenal before AW. Later, under the guidance of Wenger we were consistently dining at the top table when CL football changed the face of the Premiership. That is key. No other Arsenal manager has been at the right place at such the right time. That we were there was as much due to Wengers' brilliance as our inability to compete now is due to his stubborness.
Since the move to the new stadium our net transfer spend places us 18th in the transfer spending table in spite of additional revenue from CL and the cash cow stadium. You allude to other teams building stadiums struggling but that is a naive argument. Nobody in the English game has built a new stadium in such favourable conditions.
AWs' failure to achieve a balanced transfer policy and colluding with his employers PR machine means that Arsenal have by our own hand put undue pressure on our ability to achieve top four. Augie has already attempted to clean your glasses regarding your financial restrictions argument. If you cannot see that the balance between squad investment/loan repayment has been wrong over the last five years then you seem to be more a supporter of the regime than the welfare of the club.
It is also premature to throw out the growing list of financially mismanaged clubs. I remember having a discussion with Magic Hat nearly three years ago that the custodians lock down counted for nothing and keeping the club cash rich with accelerated loan repayments may be due more to short term shareholder gain than long term prudence. MH argued that only time will tell. Today over 50% of Arsenal is in foreign ownership with the two big players making no noises if and how they will buy the remaining shares. We still have the spectre of leveraged debt. Hicks and Gillett or Glazer or Kroenke: Without more information on how further purchases will be funded they could all be the same man.
The pantomine that AW participates in; noting the squads weaknesses in May and ignoring them over summer means people aren't as ready to shrug of the faults he has as a human being.
How pathetic are you to point to the recession rather than discuss media revelations about our manager. Before you dismiss the tabloids you should realise they dictate the course of the elections and therefore the extent of the spending cut policies much more than the broadsheets. That is the society you live in my pompous friend. If you are concerned about the economic climate then get politically active (like me) or volunteer to teach underpriviliged children (like me). Until then, don't preach on what I should be aware of or what aspects of Arsenal life we can discuss.
Point out the spoilt bastards who believe it is a divine right to finish top two.
No club has a right to finish there. What galls, however, is how quickly we have been prepared to walk backwards from the invincibles and away from the chance to compete for those positions. We have lowered our bar far more than the millions of Chelsea have risen theirs. As Augie said, we enjoyed success at Arsenal before AW. Later, under the guidance of Wenger we were consistently dining at the top table when CL football changed the face of the Premiership. That is key. No other Arsenal manager has been at the right place at such the right time. That we were there was as much due to Wengers' brilliance as our inability to compete now is due to his stubborness.
Since the move to the new stadium our net transfer spend places us 18th in the transfer spending table in spite of additional revenue from CL and the cash cow stadium. You allude to other teams building stadiums struggling but that is a naive argument. Nobody in the English game has built a new stadium in such favourable conditions.
AWs' failure to achieve a balanced transfer policy and colluding with his employers PR machine means that Arsenal have by our own hand put undue pressure on our ability to achieve top four. Augie has already attempted to clean your glasses regarding your financial restrictions argument. If you cannot see that the balance between squad investment/loan repayment has been wrong over the last five years then you seem to be more a supporter of the regime than the welfare of the club.
It is also premature to throw out the growing list of financially mismanaged clubs. I remember having a discussion with Magic Hat nearly three years ago that the custodians lock down counted for nothing and keeping the club cash rich with accelerated loan repayments may be due more to short term shareholder gain than long term prudence. MH argued that only time will tell. Today over 50% of Arsenal is in foreign ownership with the two big players making no noises if and how they will buy the remaining shares. We still have the spectre of leveraged debt. Hicks and Gillett or Glazer or Kroenke: Without more information on how further purchases will be funded they could all be the same man.
The pantomine that AW participates in; noting the squads weaknesses in May and ignoring them over summer means people aren't as ready to shrug of the faults he has as a human being.
How pathetic are you to point to the recession rather than discuss media revelations about our manager.
Before you dismiss the tabloids you should realise they dictate the course of the elections and therefore the extent of the spending cut policies much more than the broadsheets. That is the society you live in my pompous friend. If you are concerned about the economic climate then get politically active (like me) or volunteer to teach underpriviliged children (like me). Until then, don't preach on what I should be aware of or what aspects of Arsenal life we can discuss.
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woow. thats some argument you've got there
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Never Outgunned
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You seem to talk as if we're Leeds or something, instead of finishing 1st (or 2nd as we did for 5 seasons out of 9 before leaving highbury). Now we yo-yo between 3rd and 4th, the decline is relative not absolute.Cockerill's chin wrote: What galls, however, is how quickly we have been prepared to walk backwards from the invincibles and away from the chance to compete for those positions. We have lowered our bar far more than the millions of Chelsea have risen theirs.
And to compare our situation with Chelsea is an argument with no credibility whatsoever, in 2003 we inherited several million in debt to invest in a stadium they inherited a sugar daddy who spent billions bankrolling them. It doesn't take a genius to work that out FFS!
Pre 1996 we never had an unbeaten season, no other team had gone a season unbeaten away from home, we did it 2 seasons out of 3.As Augie said, we enjoyed success at Arsenal before AW. Later, under the guidance of Wenger we were consistently dining at the top table when CL football changed the face of the Premiership. That is key. No other Arsenal manager has been at the right place at such the right time. That we were there was as much due to Wengers' brilliance as our inability to compete now is due to his stubborness.
No previous team had scored a goal in every game, we did it in 2001/2 (perhaps you'd prefer the latter George Graham era where we went 6 games without scoring once!)
Yes the Champions League has changed Football, but only Man Utd has been in it every season since we first entered in 1998. Chelsea dropped out of it in the early noughties and needed a massive cash injection to get back up to that level, Newcastle and Leeds dropped out of it and have never been the same since, as Liverpool probably wont be either.
Nobody else have had to acquire a large space within zone 2 of Central London either, that's an entirely different financial ball game to acquiring a piece of land on the edge of Bolton, Wigan, Reading or Southampton.Since the move to the new stadium our net transfer spend places us 18th in the transfer spending table in spite of additional revenue from CL and the cash cow stadium. You allude to other teams building stadiums struggling but that is a naive argument. Nobody in the English game has built a new stadium in such favourable conditions.
Also wages have been massively inflated at the top end of the premiership since the Ashburton Project was conceived in the early noughties by Chelsea and Manchester City's impact.
If Wenger is colluding with board's line it's due to the fact that admission that there isn't the money in the pot means your star players fuck off because they feel they'll earn more elsewhere.AWs' failure to achieve a balanced transfer policy and colluding with his employers PR machine means that Arsenal have by our own hand put undue pressure on our ability to achieve top four.
Ticket sale will be down because fans wont pay top dollar to watch a side that's perceived to not have the finances to compete with Chelsea and Man Utd and corporate tickets in the club level go unsold.
It's called football politics dear boy.
How pathetic are you to not realise the recent glut of 'revelations' about the sex lives of Footballers/Football managers (Terry, Rooney, Wenger and today Kevin Nolan) are not a way of relegating more serious and potentially inflamatory news to the inside pages (if at all) in certain downmarket rags.How pathetic are you to point to the recession rather than discuss media revelations about our manager.
And 3 billion flies out shit.Before you dismiss the tabloids you should realise they dictate the course of the elections and therefore the extent of the spending cut policies much more than the broadsheets.
So fucking what, the Sun is still semi-literate retarded shit for morons. By they're own admission they write down to the reading level of a 12 year old, not my pompous view of them, they're own admission on how they perceive their own readership.
I'd rather be considered pompous for dismissing their shit out of hand than patronised and talked down to and have their agenda fed back to me as 'my voice' and the 'voice of the people' when it's nothing more than Murdoch's fucking mouthpeice.
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Never Outgunned
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Nice to know with your 'until then' sentence you've already assumed I don't.If you are concerned about the economic climate then get politically active (like me) or volunteer to teach underpriviliged children (like me). Until then, don't preach on what I should be aware of or what aspects of Arsenal life we can discuss.
Please however be aware that a large chunk of the British people are working longer to secure our jobs or spending our spare time with part time studies to able to afford to study at all.
Therefore the option of teaching under priviledged children is often a luxury in itself.
That's the trouble with Cameron's 'Big Society' you see, you might as well abbrieviate it to B.S. and be done with it, Mr. Cockeril.
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the playing mantis
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big society is a cracking idea, why the fuck should the state hand everything, education, jobs etc to the populace...people need to do it for themselves, not whinge about the state not doing it for them...
the last 13 years of labour handouts were unsustainable, cant people see that? dont people undersatnd the levels of debt that 13 years of labour have handed this country....ffs
the last 13 years of labour handouts were unsustainable, cant people see that? dont people undersatnd the levels of debt that 13 years of labour have handed this country....ffs
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