Ian Holloway - lol

[flash gunner]

Holloway moaning about the Bosman rule.

Now if Holloway was a player in the pre-George Eastham era with the retain and transfer system, he would probably have moaned like fuck.

Sopt on mate

Clubs dont own players like people own houses!!! Its a ridiculous analogy

Maybe i got it wrong, but he wasn't actually moaning about the Bosman ruling. I thought he was actually agreeing with it?

He was moaning about the Bosman rule im sure of it but this is one of the problems with Holloway he loves his rep. of being 'funny' and controversial therefore he talks so much shit half the time you dont know what the fuck he is going on about

Just looked at the video again, and i'd agree with you he was wrong about a player being able to move once his contract is up. But he makes some very good points which i'd think you'd be hard pressed to disagree with.
One, he makes the point that football should look at itself as it's out of touch with reality. I think we'd all agree with that what with the wage and transfer fee inflation that we've been experiencing. Players being on 200,000 quid a week when they're not even that good, ticket prices rising as a result of this greed as essentially it's the fans that have to pay these lot their money.
Then he also makes the point about agents being able to manufacture such scenario's to increase both their client's and their own wealth with total disregard to the club and the fans. Again, i think you'd agree with what Holloway is saying that it is wrong that a club can invenst so much money into a player, make him what he is, and then have it all go to waste because an agent thinks he could get more money for his player and a bigger signing on fee for himself by sticking two fingers up at the club. Like Holloway said, Rooney's been getting his £90,000 a week "come rain or shine, whether injured or not" and to then send a big "fuck you" to the fans by his agent manufacturing a move to where he would get paid even more is wrong.
So even though i disagree with him on the Bosman ruling, he does make some really good points in his 'rant' about player and agent greed and how football should look at itself and correct that.

There are some valid points to what he says not many but a couple but the one about clubs owning players is just wrong ie the analogy about owning a house and also ok its 2 fingers up to the fans but Rooney has every right to tell united he wont sign another contract and united can stick him in the reserves for 18 months or sell him now!! The thing you have to remember is for players its a job and if someone offered me 3 times my wages i would consider it at least

[MM99]

Like Holloway said, Rooney's been getting his £90,000 a week "come rain or shine, whether injured or not" and to then send a big "fuck you" to the fans by his agent manufacturing a move to where he would get paid even more is wrong.
So even though i disagree with him on the Bosman ruling, he does make some really good points in his 'rant' about player and agent greed and how football should look at itself and correct that.

Though the thing that makes United a prisoner to paying him £90K per week is the thing that makes Rooney a prisoner to playing for United for x number of years as stated in his contract.

In contractual law terms it's the thing that is called 'consideration' - what promises you make which buys the promise of the third party. There is no extra 'consideration' that United are giving that Rooney isn't.

And though they're playing Rooney £90k per week whether injured or not, if Rooney spends a long time injured like Darren Anderton did at Spurs, like Anderton he can be dumped by the club when his contract is up.

I know, i have studied contract law. What Holloway is having a go at is not that the contractual preocedure is wrong or that it should be amended, but that in moral terms what Rooney and his agent are doing is wrong. He's not arguing that it's a wrong in the common law, but a wrong in humility and morals, that when a club have done so much for him and made him into the player he is, for him to turn around and seek to go elsewhere, just because his agent is advising him to do so so they could both get even fatter paychecks, that is what's wrong.

[flash gunner]

The thing with Holloway as well is he played for 4 or 5 different clubs mostly lower league etc but you telling me he didnt have a fall out or ask to leave at least one of them? Its double standards now he is a manager!!! Im a Wenger critic but one thing about him is he has never walked out on a contract so he can ask players to do the same without any accusations of double standards

[MM99]

Sopt on mate

Clubs dont own players like people own houses!!! Its a ridiculous analogy

Maybe i got it wrong, but he wasn't actually moaning about the Bosman ruling. I thought he was actually agreeing with it?

He was moaning about the Bosman rule im sure of it but this is one of the problems with Holloway he loves his rep. of being 'funny' and controversial therefore he talks so much shit half the time you dont know what the fuck he is going on about

Just looked at the video again, and i'd agree with you he was wrong about a player being able to move once his contract is up. But he makes some very good points which i'd think you'd be hard pressed to disagree with.
One, he makes the point that football should look at itself as it's out of touch with reality. I think we'd all agree with that what with the wage and transfer fee inflation that we've been experiencing. Players being on 200,000 quid a week when they're not even that good, ticket prices rising as a result of this greed as essentially it's the fans that have to pay these lot their money.
Then he also makes the point about agents being able to manufacture such scenario's to increase both their client's and their own wealth with total disregard to the club and the fans. Again, i think you'd agree with what Holloway is saying that it is wrong that a club can invenst so much money into a player, make him what he is, and then have it all go to waste because an agent thinks he could get more money for his player and a bigger signing on fee for himself by sticking two fingers up at the club. Like Holloway said, Rooney's been getting his £90,000 a week "come rain or shine, whether injured or not" and to then send a big "fuck you" to the fans by his agent manufacturing a move to where he would get paid even more is wrong.
So even though i disagree with him on the Bosman ruling, he does make some really good points in his 'rant' about player and agent greed and how football should look at itself and correct that.

There are some valid points to what he says not many but a couple but the one about clubs owning players is just wrong ie the analogy about owning a house and also ok its 2 fingers up to the fans but Rooney has every right to tell united he wont sign another contract and united can stick him in the reserves for 18 months or sell him now!! The thing you have to remember is for players its a job and if someone offered me 3 times my wages i would consider it at least

Yep like i said before i agree with you on the house analogy. I don't think he was right there.
But on your second point about the player being entitled to do that, then you are right he is well within his rights to do so. But it's just pure greed on the player's and agent's behalf, and i can't help but think that if this was an Arsenal player you would have a different outlook on this. Afterall, don't we all call Adebayor a mercenary *word censored* for going for City's millions? That is essentially what Rooney is doing right now, so why wouldn't he be classed in the same category as Adebayor? They both have done fuck all in the last years of their contract, Adebayor lazing about the pitch for us, Rooney not even being bale to control a ball, and they both seeked out to manufacture a move elsewhere for bigger salarys.
The smilarities are there, and i don't get how you could berate Adebayor but then see Rooney's same bhaviour as being acceptable?

[Never Outgunned]

I know, i have studied contract law. What Holloway is having a go at is not that the contractual preocedure is wrong or that it should be amended, but that in moral terms what Rooney and his agent are doing is wrong. He's not arguing that it's a wrong in the common law, but a wrong in humility and morals, that when a club have done so much for him and made him into the player he is, for him to turn around and seek to go elsewhere, just because his agent is advising him to do so so they could both get even fatter paychecks, that is what's wrong.

But he's wrong on that count.

Everton made Rooney the player he is, not Fergie.

United lured him away with big bucks and 'ambition'. Now United don't have the big bucks to keep him. Being several million in debt that needs to be paid off their ambitions are also scaled down.

United have lived by the wallet and willy waving, now they're dying by it, it's entirely fair.

If you want to argue that United shouldn't face this scenerio that the Glazers have lumbered them with then that's another argument altogether, but I'm afraid I see nothing untoward in what Rooney has done. He's stated he doesn't want to sign a contract, he's legally and moraly entitled to do so.

[flash gunner]

Maybe i got it wrong, but he wasn't actually moaning about the Bosman ruling. I thought he was actually agreeing with it?

He was moaning about the Bosman rule im sure of it but this is one of the problems with Holloway he loves his rep. of being 'funny' and controversial therefore he talks so much shit half the time you dont know what the fuck he is going on about

Just looked at the video again, and i'd agree with you he was wrong about a player being able to move once his contract is up. But he makes some very good points which i'd think you'd be hard pressed to disagree with.
One, he makes the point that football should look at itself as it's out of touch with reality. I think we'd all agree with that what with the wage and transfer fee inflation that we've been experiencing. Players being on 200,000 quid a week when they're not even that good, ticket prices rising as a result of this greed as essentially it's the fans that have to pay these lot their money.
Then he also makes the point about agents being able to manufacture such scenario's to increase both their client's and their own wealth with total disregard to the club and the fans. Again, i think you'd agree with what Holloway is saying that it is wrong that a club can invenst so much money into a player, make him what he is, and then have it all go to waste because an agent thinks he could get more money for his player and a bigger signing on fee for himself by sticking two fingers up at the club. Like Holloway said, Rooney's been getting his £90,000 a week "come rain or shine, whether injured or not" and to then send a big "fuck you" to the fans by his agent manufacturing a move to where he would get paid even more is wrong.
So even though i disagree with him on the Bosman ruling, he does make some really good points in his 'rant' about player and agent greed and how football should look at itself and correct that.

There are some valid points to what he says not many but a couple but the one about clubs owning players is just wrong ie the analogy about owning a house and also ok its 2 fingers up to the fans but Rooney has every right to tell united he wont sign another contract and united can stick him in the reserves for 18 months or sell him now!! The thing you have to remember is for players its a job and if someone offered me 3 times my wages i would consider it at least

Yep like i said before i agree with you on the house analogy. I don't think he was right there.
But on your second point about the player being entitled to do that, then you are right he is well within his rights to do so. But it's just pure greed on the player's and agent's behalf, and i can't help but think that if this was an Arsenal player you would have a different outlook on this. Afterall, don't we all call Adebayor a mercenary c**t for going for City's millions? That is essentially what Rooney is doing right now, so why wouldn't he be classed in the same category as Adebayor? They both have done fuck all in the last years of their contract, Adebayor lazing about the pitch for us, Rooney not even being bale to control a ball, and they both seeked out to manufacture a move elsewhere for bigger salarys.
The smilarities are there, and i don't get how you could berate Adebayor but then see Rooney's same bhaviour as being acceptable?

I agree there are similarities but Adecuntor didnt have the right to go as he signed a long term contract the summer before and i think the way he went about it with press statements saying he wanted to stay then next minute wanted to leave then got a double money contract and played with half the effort etc Ade deserves more stick, this coupled with my love of Arsenal and loathing of united means i am with Rooney on this and as a former player Holloway surely knows how it works he is no saint FFS. As i said in the post you quoted it is sticking 2 fingers up at united fans but thats life and if i was earning double and someone offered me double again i would have a listen to them.... Its a job for players unfortunately not for us fans

[I Hate Hleb]

Holloway moaning about the Bosman rule.

Now if Holloway was a player in the pre-George Eastham era with the retain and transfer system, he would probably have moaned like fuck.

Sopt on mate

Clubs dont own players like people own houses!!! Its a ridiculous analogy

Maybe i got it wrong, but he wasn't actually moaning about the Bosman ruling. I thought he was actually agreeing with it?

He was moaning about the Bosman rule im sure of it but this is one of the problems with Holloway he loves his rep. of being 'funny' and controversial therefore he talks so much shit half the time you dont know what the fuck he is going on about

That's what makes him so funny and refreshing. I was pissing myself laughing when I heard his 'House toddling off after 24 years' analogy yesterday and his 'Emperor With No Clothes' rant this morning.

You're entitled to your opinion about him but I do think you're being a little bit harsh. As long as he isn't doing us any harm with his comments, ala Pulis and Alladyce, then I'm happy for him to keep on 'ranting'.

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Hlebby im not saying its not entertaining it is, in the same way someone falling down a flight of stairs at a wedding on Youve been framed Entertains. I just think he is wrong in what he said and on a subject that had fuck all to do with him too

[I Hate Hleb]

A bit like Wenger does way too often.

[flash gunner]

A bit like Wenger does way too often.

Unfortunately yes

[SteveO 35]

I do like Holloway but he seems to think he has to play up to the funny man image a little too often these days. This was more of a Keegan cringeworthy rant than some of his other amusing rambles of the past.

Hope they stay up though. A good man and on the surface of it what looks like a good club

[g88ner]

wrong in humility and morals, that when a club have done so much for him and made him into the player he is, for him to turn around and seek to go elsewhere, just because his agent is advising him to do so so they could both get even fatter paychecks, that is what's wrong.

A few problems I have with that paragraph above...

when a club have done so much for him

Yes, but he's also done a lot for ManUre! - he's been a key player for them, and helped them win 3 league titles and the Champions League.

I'd say he's earned the money he's on, and his performances have warranted the £25m+ transfer fee paid to Everton. Also, if sold, he'll go for a decent amount, too!

So, I don't think he's indebted to ManUre anymore. He's repaid them already.

made him into the player he is

Not sure about that. He was an outstanding teenager at Everton, and I think he would have turned into a fantastic player whether he'd joined ManUre, stayed at Everton or gone elsewhere.

Everton developed him - ManUre benefitted from it.

for him to turn around and seek to go elsewhere, just because his agent is advising him to do so so they could both get even fatter paychecks, that is what's wrong

People always go on about players leaving for the money, but to be honest I don't think that's the full story. I think some players are ultra ambitious, and having won the lot at ManUre already, it's not that unbelievable to imagine a player wanting a new challenge with another massive club like Real Madrid or Barca.

Don't get me wrong, I think Rooney's a *word censored* and should stay (which he will now, I guess) but I do think people skew the argument too much inorder to make players look like nothing more than money grabbing *word censored*... when in reality, they may have ambitions they want to fulfill on the football pitch, as well.

Of course, money and ambition usually go hand in hand as the most ambitious clubs are usually the biggest and richest ones... therefore, people will always choose to be pessimistic about players they don't like, and ignore the sporting reasons that may accompany their desire for higher wages. Oh, well.

[MM99]

Yes, but he's also done a lot for ManUre! - he's been a key player for them, and helped them win 3 league titles and the Champions League.

Ronaldo was more influential than Rooney in those trophies and in one season where he put away 40+ goals many would agree that he single handedly won them their titles that year. But i can't deny that Rooney helped them too so i agree to a certain extent with you.

Also, if, he'll go for a decent amount, too!

Not likely as his contract has only 18 months left (well before he just signed a new one!) and the figures being branded were around the 20m mark, much less than he would go for if he was on a four year one. I think Rooney would get at least 40m and this value of 20m is only down to the fact that he has so little left on his contract, essentially buggering Utd.

Not sure about that. He was an outstanding teenager at Everton, and I think he would have turned into a fantastic player whether he'd joined ManUre, stayed at Everton or gone elsewhere.

If he had stayed at Everton would he have won 5 premiership titles, the champions league, the carlign cup etc....? Would he have benefited from the world class facilities and coaching that he's got to turn him into a world class player? Talent gets you so far, but world class coaching and preparation makes you go that extra step into becoming a world class player.

Everton developed him - ManUre benefitted from it.

So by this reasoning we should have no qualms with Barca continuing to tap up Cesc and take him back to Spain? Afterall, they did "develop" him whilst he was a young teenager, and all we've done is "benefit" from him. We should take no credit then for the work put into making Cesc the player that he is and simply say that Barca (or Everton in the Rooney case) made the player into what he is?

People always go on about players leaving for the money, but to be honest I don't think that's the full story. I think some players are ultra ambitious, and having won the lot at ManUre already, it's not that unbelievable to imagine a player wanting a new challenge with another massive club like Real Madrid or Barca.

That argument would work if it was not for the fact that less than 5 months ago Rooney pledged the rest of his playing career at Utd. Player reports about his agent seem to give an insight into
what kind of a person his agent is and to think that they are motivated by wealth in this saga is not out of character for the agent by all accounts.

[M-50]

Holloway strikes again - priceless

http://bit.ly/cn9T1A

[Bring Back Pires]

Holloway strikes again - priceless

http://bit.ly/cn9T1A

LMAO!



That bloke is so fucking weird.