real madrid

rhiannon91 · Post by **rhiannon91** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:38 pm

any one see the bit on sky about alonso and ramos and the sending offs? clever or cheating?

Bring Back Pires · Post by **Bring Back Pires** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:40 pm

Was considering starting this thread myself. Seems fair enough to me, but I can see where the moral police are coming from. The rules are there to be exploited, as far as I can see, and with Jose Mourinho in charge, you'd expect no less quite frankly.

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:41 pm

Hmmm... yes I saw it, it's gamesmanship at best, and typical moanrinho... you wouldn't get Wenger ever being that insightful to do a similar thing...

BournemouthRED · Post by **BournemouthRED** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:41 pm

What happened?

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:41 pm

What's this about then?

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:45 pm

http://www.skysports.com/football/match ... 58,00.html

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Real were already home and dry when they were reduced to nine men in a controversial final few minutes which saw both Xabi Alonso and Sergio Ramos dismissed for time wasting after receiving bookings earlier in the game.

The double sending-off will see the duo miss Madrid's dead-rubber clash at home to Auxerre next month but return with a clean slate for the knockout rounds.

Post by **Barriecuda** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:46 pm

Xabi Alonso and Sergio Ramos got themselves sent off, likely on purpose considering their apparent willingness to get the cards. This way, they miss the last (meaningless) game of the group stages, and have a fresh card count for the knockout rounds.

Moral/Sportsmanship Perspective: Wrong thing to do.

Business Perspective: Making the system work for you, doing what you need to win while staying within the laws of the game.

Which one do you think Mourinho would choose

It's stupid the ref even awarded these cards, he should have just given the kick to Ajax. Blatantly clear what the two of them were trying to do - ref bought right into it.

rhiannon91 · Post by **rhiannon91** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:46 pm

1.alonso and ramos both got booked.

2. this meant that a booking in their last group game would see them both suspended from the first knock out stahe as madrid have qualified.

3. in 87th min madrid get free kick. alonso takes but time wastes so gets 2nd booking and a red.

4. in 91st min madrid take a goal kick which ramos takes and also time wastes get sent off.

5. both now miss last group game BUT when go through both have clean sheets in the first knock out stage...

little naughty...

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:48 pm

So what we are saying is their manager used his brains?

If only, if only!

Rosie_titters · Post by **Rosie_titters** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:05 pm

missed it, i was recoving my boot from the telly, after watching our pile of shite

Radford149 · Post by **Radford149** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:10 pm

radford tips his hat to the two players. well played

Batflyer · Post by **Batflyer** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:11 pm

What a disgrace this is. After the game, the NOS (Dutch TV channel) showed how firstly Mourinho told Alonso to get a second yellow. After that, Dudek (reserve goalkeeper) went to Casillas to tell that Ramos should take the goal kicks to waste some time. Then you could clearly see that Casillas walked to Ramos to pass on that message.

Both Mourinho and Casillas were holding their hands before their mouth, but it was very clear what they were saying to Alonso and Ramos.

Radford149 · Post by **Radford149** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:13 pm

Batflyer wrote:What a disgrace this is. After the game, the NOS (Dutch TV channel) showed how firstly Mourinho told Alonso to get a second yellow. After that, Dudek (reserve goalkeeper) went to Casillas to tell that Ramos should take the goal kicks to waste some time. Then you could clearly see that Casillas walked to Ramos to pass on that message.

Both Mourinho and Casillas were holding their hands before their mouth, but it was very clear what they were saying to Alonso and Ramos.

radford asks what's so disgraceful about what they did?

Post by **g88ner** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:43 pm

Batflyer wrote:What a disgrace this is. After the game, the NOS (Dutch TV channel) showed how firstly Mourinho told Alonso to get a second yellow. After that, Dudek (reserve goalkeeper) went to Casillas to tell that Ramos should take the goal kicks to waste some time. Then you could clearly see that Casillas walked to Ramos to pass on that message.

Both Mourinho and Casillas were holding their hands before their mouth, but it was very clear what they were saying to Alonso and Ramos.

Makes perfect sense - don't think it's disgraceful at all. In fact, Lee Dixon admitted Arsenal players used to do that under George Graham - ok, not as blatant, but they'd take a free yellow card so they missed undesirable games and not key fixtures. Not within the spirit of the game I suppose, but very professional and doing what's best for the club.

treygoony · Post by **treygoony** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:49 pm

I don't get it they were already 4-0 up.

Plus that twat ramos didn't need to shake the refs hand