Iam sorry your rants are no longer registering with PANCHO...hwoever your thoughts are important to our members on MIND..thanks for calling..when you do have a valid opinion on football or a wittisism rather than crude personal remarks , your aplication to be acknowledged will be considered...have a nice dayCus Geezer wrote:Or to put another way (fingers in ears) NA-NA-NA-NA-I'M NOT LISTENING I CAN'T HEAR YOU!Iam sorry your rants are no longer registering with PANCHO...hwoever your thoughts are important to our members on MIND..thanks for calling
What sort of parents let their eight year olds on the net at this time of day.
imagine..
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Pancho
I’ve been reading the stuff you’ve been posting for some time and I wouldn’t normally bother to respond given that it’s the same tiresome, triumphalist toss that I can hear from any Man U follower in any boozer in the world. However, you seem surprised that some of the other forum regulars have occasionally been less that polite. Allow me to enlighten you as to why.
Understand that the vast majority of real football fans loathe and despise your club and everything about it; your manager, your players and your fans. It’s not because they’re jealous of your success since the early nineties. It’s because of your arrogance, your endless claims about being the best club in the universe and your belief that you’ve got a God given right to win everything. Why do you feel the need to constantly crow that “we’re the biggest club in the world, with the most fans, best ground, best players, most illustrious historyâ€
I’ve been reading the stuff you’ve been posting for some time and I wouldn’t normally bother to respond given that it’s the same tiresome, triumphalist toss that I can hear from any Man U follower in any boozer in the world. However, you seem surprised that some of the other forum regulars have occasionally been less that polite. Allow me to enlighten you as to why.
Understand that the vast majority of real football fans loathe and despise your club and everything about it; your manager, your players and your fans. It’s not because they’re jealous of your success since the early nineties. It’s because of your arrogance, your endless claims about being the best club in the universe and your belief that you’ve got a God given right to win everything. Why do you feel the need to constantly crow that “we’re the biggest club in the world, with the most fans, best ground, best players, most illustrious historyâ€
Always fun to respond to obvious provocation:
United claim to be the biggest club in the world, but for years, including the early red-nose seasons, were complete failures - didn't United finish 11th or 12th in Fergie's first season? Weren't the United fans demanding he be sacked back then? Fair play though, United have been the dominant side in England since 1993 or so. But, given the self-proclaimed biggest club in the world status, you've been consistently poor in Europe - one CL win almost 10 years ago and that in the flukiest of circumstances. You must be pretty ashamed of that record - not exactly convincing for the supposed biggest in the world, is it?
(Before you look further back in the history books and talk about the Euro Cup win in the 60s, might I remind you that more recently your side was also relegated? Better leave that alone hadn't we.)
George Graham? I can't speak for other gooners but you won't find me saying too much positive about his latter years, and there's certainly no basis on which to use it as a means to criticise Wenger. Graham did a great job up to 1991 and then fucked it up, selling good players like Rocastle, buying nonentities like Carter and McGoldrick and relying on the best defence in history coupled with Ian Wright's goals.
Anyway, your suggestion that Graham did better in terms of silverware in the same period is crap: Graham may have won 3 trophies in the 4 seasons between 1991 and his sacking in 1995 but two of those were lesser trophies (the League Cup and the Cup Winners' Cup), whereas in the last 4 seasons Wenger has won the Premiership (the Invincibles year) and the FA Cup (who were we playing that day by the way??) and has taken his side to the CL Final. I might have enjoyed Graham winning those trophies (they brightened up a pretty depressing time for Arsenal fans), and I might think Arsenal in 2002 to 2005 didn't win as much silverware as the quality of that side really demanded, but even with the relatively barren recent period in Wenger's performance, I don't think any football fan (or even Graham himself) would seriously think Wenger is the lesser manager.
If it's a club manager's job to nurture English talent (which I don't think it is), Wenger's got plenty to be proud of: Cashley Hole is the obvious one, but even the likes of Sidwell, Upson, Bentley, Pennant and Muamba should be seen as Wenger successes in part - they might not all have left Arsenal as happy bunnies but they all learned a lot from the great man. There's also the effect Wenger had on Adams, Keown, Dixon, Winterburn, Bould, Wright and perhaps Seaman - each of them had their top-flight careers extended by the more intelligent coaching methods introduced by Wenger (and copied since by everyone else, United included). And then there are the future players: watch out for Gibbs and Lansbury in particular. And Almunia...
A word on Ronaldo and Rooney. I have no idea what you were saying after the 2006 World Cup but there were a lot of United fans at the time who were demanding that Ronaldo be sold and were booing him on his return. What happened to them? Did they realise United are pretty much dependent on Ronaldo? Two-faced tossers.
Carry on with your ilttle posts - you obviously enjoy it, and it is fun to play along, esepcially when so much of what you say is (and this isn't a personal insult) shit.
United claim to be the biggest club in the world, but for years, including the early red-nose seasons, were complete failures - didn't United finish 11th or 12th in Fergie's first season? Weren't the United fans demanding he be sacked back then? Fair play though, United have been the dominant side in England since 1993 or so. But, given the self-proclaimed biggest club in the world status, you've been consistently poor in Europe - one CL win almost 10 years ago and that in the flukiest of circumstances. You must be pretty ashamed of that record - not exactly convincing for the supposed biggest in the world, is it?
(Before you look further back in the history books and talk about the Euro Cup win in the 60s, might I remind you that more recently your side was also relegated? Better leave that alone hadn't we.)
George Graham? I can't speak for other gooners but you won't find me saying too much positive about his latter years, and there's certainly no basis on which to use it as a means to criticise Wenger. Graham did a great job up to 1991 and then fucked it up, selling good players like Rocastle, buying nonentities like Carter and McGoldrick and relying on the best defence in history coupled with Ian Wright's goals.
Anyway, your suggestion that Graham did better in terms of silverware in the same period is crap: Graham may have won 3 trophies in the 4 seasons between 1991 and his sacking in 1995 but two of those were lesser trophies (the League Cup and the Cup Winners' Cup), whereas in the last 4 seasons Wenger has won the Premiership (the Invincibles year) and the FA Cup (who were we playing that day by the way??) and has taken his side to the CL Final. I might have enjoyed Graham winning those trophies (they brightened up a pretty depressing time for Arsenal fans), and I might think Arsenal in 2002 to 2005 didn't win as much silverware as the quality of that side really demanded, but even with the relatively barren recent period in Wenger's performance, I don't think any football fan (or even Graham himself) would seriously think Wenger is the lesser manager.
If it's a club manager's job to nurture English talent (which I don't think it is), Wenger's got plenty to be proud of: Cashley Hole is the obvious one, but even the likes of Sidwell, Upson, Bentley, Pennant and Muamba should be seen as Wenger successes in part - they might not all have left Arsenal as happy bunnies but they all learned a lot from the great man. There's also the effect Wenger had on Adams, Keown, Dixon, Winterburn, Bould, Wright and perhaps Seaman - each of them had their top-flight careers extended by the more intelligent coaching methods introduced by Wenger (and copied since by everyone else, United included). And then there are the future players: watch out for Gibbs and Lansbury in particular. And Almunia...
A word on Ronaldo and Rooney. I have no idea what you were saying after the 2006 World Cup but there were a lot of United fans at the time who were demanding that Ronaldo be sold and were booing him on his return. What happened to them? Did they realise United are pretty much dependent on Ronaldo? Two-faced tossers.
Carry on with your ilttle posts - you obviously enjoy it, and it is fun to play along, esepcially when so much of what you say is (and this isn't a personal insult) shit.
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IMAGINE......
1. If Panto was true to his word when he first came on this site and declared he had no interest in winding people up but would defend Manure when we were unjustified in our comments.
2. If Panto constructed sound arguments based on fact (fact being not based on Wikipedia or his own poor memory).
3. If he aimed the criticisms he does at our members towards himself for a change.
4. And finally, Imagine being so disillusioned with your own team that you spend most of your time on a rivals forum.
1. If Panto was true to his word when he first came on this site and declared he had no interest in winding people up but would defend Manure when we were unjustified in our comments.
2. If Panto constructed sound arguments based on fact (fact being not based on Wikipedia or his own poor memory).
3. If he aimed the criticisms he does at our members towards himself for a change.
4. And finally, Imagine being so disillusioned with your own team that you spend most of your time on a rivals forum.
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I love the way this bloke keeps going on about how much the media love us. Pancho mate, cast your mind back to june 2007 and tell me that every backpage wasnt full of
"Arsenal in meltdown, dein has left, a fat american or russian is going to take over, thierry henry has left, wenger hasnt signed a new contract and when he fucks off he'll take fabregas with him, not too mention how many times it was mentioned that our season fell apart in a week, and how we are all animals after the disgraceful cc brawl (which was fair enough but my god was it made known how bad it was), and then there was my personal favourite - the spurs were going to take our CL spot this year."
Now, please explain which part of that shows how much the media love us.
Ps here's another "imagine" scenario:
Imagine the uproar, fa hearings, fines and bans if Arsene Wenger made gestures at reading fans.
"Arsenal in meltdown, dein has left, a fat american or russian is going to take over, thierry henry has left, wenger hasnt signed a new contract and when he fucks off he'll take fabregas with him, not too mention how many times it was mentioned that our season fell apart in a week, and how we are all animals after the disgraceful cc brawl (which was fair enough but my god was it made known how bad it was), and then there was my personal favourite - the spurs were going to take our CL spot this year."
Now, please explain which part of that shows how much the media love us.
Ps here's another "imagine" scenario:
Imagine the uproar, fa hearings, fines and bans if Arsene Wenger made gestures at reading fans.
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SO rather than "quote " each point I will summarise
1) I couldnt care less about being liked..and United couldnt care less about being liked ...its a manc thing , an attitude that transpires your understanding and somethong that would take too long to convey and I doubt people in London wouldnt comprehend
2) as for the line about the clubs arrogance in proclaiming "the biggest in the world".. well it is a disputable fact, even Peter hill wood claimed we are... but how arrogant is it for a club to call themselves the "invincibles"..even though you got beat in cup competions?
3)with regards to the claim of diving and thuggery..which club has been given the most red cards..which club has recieved the heaviest punishment in the FAs history because of player behaviuor?...
as for diving ..well Viera, pires, fabregas, say no more
4) United fans werent asking for the head of SAF ..he finished 2nd in his second season and won in europe within 5 yrs...
5) as for our CL succeses, you really are on thin ground..how many LONDON clubs have EVER won the CL?
6) as for united fans booing Ronaldo after the WC..again a made up myth..in fact the media were critising the United fans for hanging banners in support of Ronaldo 2006, neville 2002, beckham 1998.
however I am flattered that you put some thought into your posts and they were based upon football, rather than the White Lighting brigades method of personal abuse.
1) I couldnt care less about being liked..and United couldnt care less about being liked ...its a manc thing , an attitude that transpires your understanding and somethong that would take too long to convey and I doubt people in London wouldnt comprehend
2) as for the line about the clubs arrogance in proclaiming "the biggest in the world".. well it is a disputable fact, even Peter hill wood claimed we are... but how arrogant is it for a club to call themselves the "invincibles"..even though you got beat in cup competions?
3)with regards to the claim of diving and thuggery..which club has been given the most red cards..which club has recieved the heaviest punishment in the FAs history because of player behaviuor?...
as for diving ..well Viera, pires, fabregas, say no more
4) United fans werent asking for the head of SAF ..he finished 2nd in his second season and won in europe within 5 yrs...
5) as for our CL succeses, you really are on thin ground..how many LONDON clubs have EVER won the CL?
6) as for united fans booing Ronaldo after the WC..again a made up myth..in fact the media were critising the United fans for hanging banners in support of Ronaldo 2006, neville 2002, beckham 1998.
however I am flattered that you put some thought into your posts and they were based upon football, rather than the White Lighting brigades method of personal abuse.
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i amsorry , but your unoriginal and unsupported views are based on what ..I cant prove that fortunatley i reside in gods own city ..in the same way you cant prove that you arent a menopausal woman in her 50s called susan ..Cus Geezer wrote:How the fuck would you know what is or isn't a Manc thing - you live in Surbition you fuckwitI couldnt care less about being liked..and United couldnt care less about being liked ...its a manc thing
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Pancho wrote:SO rather than "quote " each point I will summarise
1) I couldnt care less about being liked..and United couldnt care less about being liked ...its a manc thing , an attitude that transpires your understanding and somethong that would take too long to convey and I doubt people in London wouldnt comprehend
2) as for the line about the clubs arrogance in proclaiming "the biggest in the world".. well it is a disputable fact, even Peter hill wood claimed we are... but how arrogant is it for a club to call themselves the "invincibles"..even though you got beat in cup competions?
3)with regards to the claim of diving and thuggery..which club has been given the most red cards..which club has recieved the heaviest punishment in the FAs history because of player behaviuor?...
as for diving ..well Viera, pires, fabregas, say no more
4) United fans werent asking for the head of SAF ..he finished 2nd in his second season and won in europe within 5 yrs...
5) as for our CL succeses, you really are on thin ground..how many LONDON clubs have EVER won the CL?
6) as for united fans booing Ronaldo after the WC..again a made up myth..in fact the media were critising the United fans for hanging banners in support of Ronaldo 2006, neville 2002, beckham 1998.
however I am flattered that you put some thought into your posts and they were based upon football, rather than the White Lighting brigades method of personal abuse.
1. People in London invented the concept i.e We are Millwall, No-one likes us, we don't care. Hardly of Mancunian origin.
2. Biggest club etc. depends entirely what your yardstick is. We've done this one before. I am certain that you could make Gretna the biggest club in the world if you chose the right method of measuring it!
Invincibles. A tag created by the media and adopted by the club owing to its popularity. Read anything originating from Arsenal and you will always see that reference is made to un "Undefeated League Season".
3. Did you know Arsenal get a yellow card on average after every 3.7 fouls. Every other club in the premiership get allowed at least 6 fouls. (I've not made this up. Its source is premiership statistics and it was printed in the Telegraph) Is it any wonder then that we get more red cards? I'm annoyed that we have had the heaviest penalty especially considering the fight was started by Brian McClair.
Never heard diving associated to Vieira or Fabregas but Pires had a rep. Thuggery? Roy Keane, Olympic Gold every time. The only player I know has set out to cripple another and then brag about it.
4. I stood on the North Bank and heard Manures fans chanting it myself. Of course that must all be in my mind as it doesn't suit your argument.
5. Arsenal have never won the CL. An undisputed fact! But our biggest rivals don't piss all over us in that respect either don't they!
6. A section of United fans definitely booed Ronaldo. It may have been a minority but it happened.
There, that's how you reply to a post. Every point covered, fact based answers, no personal insults. Easy isn't it. Live and learn boy, live and learn
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Iam sorry your rants are no longer registering with CUS...however your thoughts are important to our members on MIND..thanks for calling..when you do have a valid opinion on football or a wittisism rather than talk an amount of guff that could block drains your aplication to be acknowledged will be considered...have a nice dayPancho wrote:i amsorry , but your unoriginal and unsupported views are based on what ..I cant prove that fortunatley i reside in gods own city ..in the same way you cant prove that you arent a menopausal woman in her 50s called susan ..Cus Geezer wrote:How the fuck would you know what is or isn't a Manc thing - you live in Surbition you fuckwitI couldnt care less about being liked..and United couldnt care less about being liked ...its a manc thing
