Ipswich first leg

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:38 pm

I want guardiola as our manager. He would absolutely turn these players into winners. Barca's tactics are spot on.

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:40 pm

USMartin wrote:
Arsenal 1991 wrote:
Zippy wrote:...
Why?

ferguson has managed to build team after team because he knows what it takes to win trophies and Wenger used to. Now he just is intent on winning it his own way with his project. I have just about had enough.

We are so close to having a very, very good team but wenger is just holding them back by refusing to strengthen certain areas and by ignoring defence as a part of football.
How do you knowm this - how do you know he has refused to use additional resources as you suggest to do this?

See the thing is if you're wrong and the same policies continue under future managers until whenever the Board is satisfied we could be here five or even ten years on - hell Quartz even suggested possibly 2021 or 2031 in one post - twenty years on - having these same debates and feeling the same anger and frustration with Arsenal and each other we are now.

Why would we even want to risk that?

WE WILL BE IF YOUR STILL ON THIS FORUM

1989 · Post by **1989** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:40 pm

MK Gould wrote:The only thing that put a smile on my face tonight was Blackpool doing the double over Liverpool...... !

What a night for Manure fans.

Zippy · Post by **Zippy** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:41 pm

Arsenal 1991 wrote:
Zippy wrote:...
Why?

ferguson has managed to build team after team because he knows what it takes to win trophies and Wenger used to. Now he just is intent on winning it his own way with his project. I have just about had enough.

We are so close to having a very, very good team but wenger is just holding them back by refusing to strengthen certain areas and by ignoring defence as a part of football.

Fair enough, if that's your opinion. You're clearly in the majority here as most of the posters on here from what i've seen totally agree with you. I just think you're idiots for holding that opinion and am therefore offering a different one. Quite obviously, not everyone can be as successful as alex ferguson, and i'm yet to here a Gooner suggest we should get him in as manager.

The caveat I would add is that I, for one, will promise to be back here asking you to hold your hands up and have me serve you some old and mouldy humble pie if and when Arsene does achieve what you believe he is unable to, and/or the next bloke comes in and - almost inevitably - does a shitter job than Wenger is currently doing.

Fair enough?

Red Gunner · Post by **Red Gunner** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:42 pm

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Zippy · Post by **Zippy** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:44 pm

mcdowell42 wrote:
USMartin wrote:
Arsenal 1991 wrote:
Zippy wrote:...
Why?

ferguson has managed to build team after team because he knows what it takes to win trophies and Wenger used to. Now he just is intent on winning it his own way with his project. I have just about had enough.

We are so close to having a very, very good team but wenger is just holding them back by refusing to strengthen certain areas and by ignoring defence as a part of football.
How do you knowm this - how do you know he has refused to use additional resources as you suggest to do this?

See the thing is if you're wrong and the same policies continue under future managers until whenever the Board is satisfied we could be here five or even ten years on - hell Quartz even suggested possibly 2021 or 2031 in one post - twenty years on - having these same debates and feeling the same anger and frustration with Arsenal and each other we are now.

Why would we even want to risk that?

WE WILL BE IF YOUR STILL ON THIS FORUM

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:45 pm

Arsenal 1991 wrote:I want guardiola as our manager. He would absolutely turn these players into winners. Barca's tactics are spot on.

You are willfully deluding yourself. Might he have more success with the core of this team if he were able to add the missing parts as he needed and wanted to? Maybe. But you are just being dishonest with yourself if you beleive any top manager if given the option to invest in better players would even bother with Denilson and Bendtner and Eboue and Squillaci and Vela and Koscielny (as first-choicein Kos's case) and you can add in Rosicky and maybe Diaby and Fabianski.

There is no manager who would do much better if any better with this squad unless much better for you is winning the beer cup.

MutleyGooner · Post by **MutleyGooner** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:45 pm

Yes we were very poor tonight in all areas of the pitch and to be honest, I think Ipswich deserved the win. This was their match of the season and I hope their fans really enjoy their moment. That said however, it is only halftime and I honestly expect us to beat them back at the Grove. Had we gone there and beat them 5 or 6 nil, then next weeks game would have been a formality and the atmosphere at the Grove would be as so often is the case, embarrassingly poor. At least now the second leg should make for a cracking game and something for the fans to get noisy about. I reckon we will put at least 3 past them.

p.s No I haven't joined the rosetinters, just believe we are capable of beating the tractor boys

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:47 pm

Zippy wrote:
Arsenal 1991 wrote:
Zippy wrote:...
Why?

ferguson has managed to build team after team because he knows what it takes to win trophies and Wenger used to. Now he just is intent on winning it his own way with his project. I have just about had enough.

We are so close to having a very, very good team but wenger is just holding them back by refusing to strengthen certain areas and by ignoring defence as a part of football.
Fair enough, if that's your opinion. You're clearly in the majority here as most of the posters on here from what i've seen totally agree with you. I just think you're idiots for holding that opinion and am therefore offering a different one. Quite obviously, not everyone can be as successful as alex ferguson, and i'm yet to here a Gooner suggest we should get him in as manager.

The caveat I would add is that I, for one, will promise to be back here asking you to hold your hands up and have me serve you some old and mouldy humble pie if and when Arsene does achieve what you believe he is unable to, and/or the next bloke comes in and - almost inevitably - does a shitter job than Wenger is currently doing.

Fair enough?

Please find the post where I have said we should sack wenger.

Im close to saying that but am just so frustrated at him. He is so close to producing a very good team but is holding them back. Mourinho, Guardiola, Ferguson, Capello, Ancelloti and Rijkaard would all have won trophies with this team and Wenger could too but he just is holding them back.

bunch · Post by **bunch** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:54 pm

A mere 80 hours before we lost 1-0, Chelsea beat this team 7-0.

How fucking shameful is that?

There are so few players who care enough about the Arsenal to dog it out an win. I am afraid this fault in attitude has to be left at the managers door because they are his players, playing for him, motivated by him..

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:58 pm

MutleyGooner wrote:
p.s No I haven't joined the rosetinters, just believe we are capable of beating the tractor boys

What our team of multi millionaires will beat a team at the bottom of the championship at home

Barcelona won 5-0 tonight Messi hat-trick

olgitgooner · Post by **olgitgooner** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:58 pm

USMartin wrote:
Arsenal 1991 wrote:I want guardiola as our manager. He would absolutely turn these players into winners. Barca's tactics are spot on.
You are willfully deluding yourself. Might he have more success with the core of this team if he were able to add the missing parts as he needed and wanted to? Maybe. But you are just being dishonest with yourself if you beleive any top manager if given the option to invest in better players would even bother with Denilson and Bendtner and Eboue and Squillaci and Vela and Koscielny (as first-choicein Kos's case) and you can add in Rosicky and maybe Diaby and Fabianski.

There is no manager who would do much better if any better with this squad unless much better for you is winning the beer cup.

See, Martin?

This is why I have issues with you.

"Willfully deluding yourself".

"Being dishonest with yourself".

Just because somebody has an opinion that differs from your own.

Can you not see how insulting this is??????

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:01 pm

Arsenal 1991 wrote:
Zippy wrote:
Arsenal 1991 wrote:
Zippy wrote:...
Why?

ferguson has managed to build team after team because he knows what it takes to win trophies and Wenger used to. Now he just is intent on winning it his own way with his project. I have just about had enough.

We are so close to having a very, very good team but wenger is just holding them back by refusing to strengthen certain areas and by ignoring defence as a part of football.
Fair enough, if that's your opinion. You're clearly in the majority here as most of the posters on here from what i've seen totally agree with you. I just think you're idiots for holding that opinion and am therefore offering a different one. Quite obviously, not everyone can be as successful as alex ferguson, and i'm yet to here a Gooner suggest we should get him in as manager.

The caveat I would add is that I, for one, will promise to be back here asking you to hold your hands up and have me serve you some old and mouldy humble pie if and when Arsene does achieve what you believe he is unable to, and/or the next bloke comes in and - almost inevitably - does a shitter job than Wenger is currently doing.

Fair enough?
Please find the post where I have said we should sack wenger.

Im close to saying that but am just so frustrated at him. He is so close to producing a very good team but is holding them back. Mourinho, Guardiola, Ferguson, Capello, Ancelloti and Rijkaard would all have won trophies with this team and Wenger could too but he just is holding them back.

But if he in fact is hoolding the team back by choice wouldn't that be the responsible thing to do - to sack Arsene Wenger?

If I believed that was actually happening I would happily stand with TeeCee and Augie and Donaldo and others calling for the sack. It wouldn't even be something to debate really.

The problem is what if you are wrong and there are no discernible changes under a new manager and no forward progress? What do we do themn - just lynch the new guy each time till the policies actually do change?

MutleyGooner · Post by **MutleyGooner** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:02 pm

donaldo wrote:
MutleyGooner wrote:
p.s No I haven't joined the rosetinters, just believe we are capable of beating the tractor boys
What our team of multi millionaires will beat a team at the bottom of the championship at home

Barcelona won 5-0 tonight Messi hat-trick

I know, I must be crazy

Arsenal 1991 · Post by **Arsenal 1991** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:07 pm

donaldo wrote:
MutleyGooner wrote:
p.s No I haven't joined the rosetinters, just believe we are capable of beating the tractor boys
What our team of multi millionaires will beat a team at the bottom of the championship at home

Barcelona won 5-0 tonight Messi hat-trick

As I said before, we'd be a much better team if we used barca's tactics. They have 5 at the back when defending but importantly they make the pitch very wide and always have people making in runs in behind the defence. We just don't have that.