Ipswich first leg

[flash gunner]

FUCKING DISGRACE

I really cant be fucked to go into it anymore apart from.... Wenger out!!!!

Fair enough but what if the new manager still has to to work with our ass-backward wage structure which makes signing genuine proven talent that's over 16 basically impossible. What then?

Sack him too



You should know by now Martin i dont get involved in finance/board chat

[USMartin]

FUCKING DISGRACE

I really cant be fucked to go into it anymore apart from.... Wenger out!!!!

Fair enough but what if the new manager still has to to work with our ass-backward wage structure which makes signing genuine proven talent that's over 16 basically impossible. What then?

Sack him too



You should know by now Martin i dont get involved in finance/board chat

That is fine Flash - but the point is we all want the situation to improve so shouldn't we want to know what the problem actually is or are we just setting ourselves up for more of this and how awful we all feel? What is the point otherwise? Just to be able to tar and feather anybody we can?

By the way East of what or is that some big secret thingy

[storrmin571]

To save me the hassle of reading 14 pages back - any comment from Rosetinters? If they defend him after this disgrace then they need laser surgery to get the shit from their eyes :finger:

[flash gunner]

Wish East was some big secret code word but no it just means i live in the East of England

Martin, Wenger has had money to spend but chooses to either spend it badly (Kosneilsky, Squillaci etc) or not spend it at all and play shite like Bendtner, Denil-*word censored*, Eboue, Diaby instead.

Last night was an absolute disgrace i accept you sometimes get shocks in cup competitions but last night we were playing a team in the bottom 6 of the championship and we barely made a chance against them in fact at times Ipswich looked like the Premier league team. Cesc was awful, Theo looked lively but did nothing with the ball, Eboue couldnt trap a bag of sand, Szczezny was hesitant and looked like the inexperienced 'boy' that he is... i could go on listing the shit performances all day.......

As i said on the earlier page tippy tappy football with no end product like last night is on par if not worse than long ball stuff, it makes me laugh we are all coniseurs of beatiful football these days but quite frankly id rather watch Wimbledon of the 80's than what we all saw last night!!!!!!

Its gone stale Wenger out

[Glitch33]

Shouldn't we hold the players to account over this?

Against a team at the bottom of the Championship we should be able to pick any 11 from the squad and if they cared and put a bit of effort in they would have a very good chance of winning and little chance of losing. It shouldn't matter who the manager is. In a semi-final, even a two bob cup, they should be putting the effort in,

Same against Leeds and other games in the last few seasons - too many of the players don't care about the result and don't care about the club or the fans.

The squad should pay half their weeks pay to charity, all of it if they fail against West Ham at the weekend.

[USMartin]

Wish East was some big secret code word but no it just means i live in the East of England

Martin, Wenger has had money to spend but chooses to either spend it badly (Kosneilsky, Squillaci etc) or not spend it at all and play shite like Bendtner, Denil-c**t, Eboue, Diaby instead.

Last night was an absolute disgrace i accept you sometimes get shocks in cup competitions but last night we were playing a team in the bottom 6 of the championship and we barely made a chance against them in fact at times Ipswich looked like the Premier league team. Cesc was awful, Theo looked lively but did nothing with the ball, Eboue couldnt trap a bag of sand, Szczezny was hesitant and looked like the inexperienced 'boy' that he is... i could go on listing the shit performances all day.......

As i said on the earlier page tippy tappy football with no end product like last night is on par if not worse than long ball stuff, it makes me laugh we are all coniseurs of beatiful football these days but quite frankly id rather watch Wimbledon of the 80's than what we all saw last night!!!!!!

Its gone stale Wenger out

See the club has money certainly - is it genuinely available to to the manager?

Think about this - we pay Nik Bendtner 50K and Cesc Fabregas 80K a week. Arsene Wenger himself said both that there were only 10 players he could not afford to buy and themn that you cannot big players with big transfer fees because they demand big wages as well? So what does that tell you?


Again Cesc is on 80K a week, our best most talented most decorated most important player on 80K a week. Not even in the the top 50 highest paid footballers in Europe. Our highest paid player is on 90K a week. So how do we buy a player of higher quality then Cesc Fabregas now or Andriy Arshavin when we agreed terms and bought him to address the positions where such a player is needed? How do we even get a player of merely the same quality who is offered more elsewhere to sign for us?

Seriously if you can explain that conundrum I would love to hear it. Other wise I can only conclude that the shift in our wage structure was quite possibly by design to allow the club to claim money was available to spend but without having to spend it.

[Chippy]

Zippy I have edited your post. We are very tolerant on here but words like that shouldn't be used to insult others. You are wrong about "Sky era, plastic fans". The vast majority of "realists" on here have been around for a long time. If you hate this place so much, I would guess most people here wouldn't be remotely upset if you didn't post again.

Martin, you had started to make non-board, short comments on other threads and I thought you might have turned a corner, but no. Do you not realise how much you are pissing off some people on here?

In general peeps please remember this place is firstly about having a bit of fun and a laugh. If you think what's posted on here is hugely important and it will make the board sit up and listen or it is responsible for all Arsenal fans getting a reputation, get real!

[Charlie! Charlie!]

Most players looked tired, perhaps cocky?

Arshavin and Bendtner woeful

Cesc unusually off form, looked ill to be honest.

Djourou and Koscielny good as individual athletes but played far too high a line and paid the price.

Of the better players:

Actually thought Denilson had a good combative game by his standards.
Szczesney did little wrong but lucky to get away with "almost" handling it outside area.
Walcott worked hard and had at least one good shot well saved but some of his end product was poor.
Wilshere and Gibbs not too bad.

Connor Wickham looks very good, sign him up Arsene!

Was unfortunate enough to attend and he looked a real threat and he takes some knocking off the ball.

[goonersid]

With Wenger now taking this comp seriously, and indeed fielding an arguably stronger 11 than he has in some prem games. I think it would be somewhat poetic justice if he can't eventually get the better of an awful championship side.
A team who have lost 7 of their last 9 lge games and just had a 7-0 drubbing in the FA cup. It should also be pointed out that they had less time to recover from theor Fa cup exploits than Arsenal.
It would be a damning indictment of Wenger's management, tactics, philosophy and his squad. And that for Arsenal Football Club can only be a good thing, because this runaway truck needs to be checked.
Wenger will now have the task of guiding the team through 4 important games in succession, West Ham, Leeds, Wigan and now the apparently important lge cup game against Ipswich.
Just watch him fuck it all up inthe space of a few weeks, just like he has done so many times in the last 5 or 6 seasons.

[franksav63]

Hmmm.... Wenger has got to face up to the facts that these back up players of his are NOT interested in playing for the shirt.

Coming out with the usual shit that he spouts, cuts no ice... I wish he would just fuck off.

[USMartin]

Zippy I have edited your post. We are very tolerant on here but words like that shouldn't be used to insult others. You are wrong about "Sky era, plastic fans". The vast majority of "realists" on here have been around for a long time. If you hate this place so much, I would guess most people here wouldn't be remotely upset if you didn't post again.

Martin, you had started to make non-board, short comments on other threads and I thought you might have turned a corner, but no. Do you not realise how much you are pissing off some people on here?

In general peeps please remember this place is firstly about having a bit of fun and a laugh. If you think what's posted on here is hugely important and it will make the board sit up and listen or it is responsible for all Arsenal fans getting a reputation, get real!

Shouldn't the truth matter to us Chippy? We are all pissed off and the question is what needs to be done so we won't be so pissed off? Why should we want to possibly ignore the real problem and possibly condemn someone unfairly just to feel better? Why would you personally want to do that?

The point is there are genuine questions about how we got from the kind of team we had in 2004 and the team we have now, and the answer on how badly we want to know that answer and how willing we are to try and influence that answer is going to have everything to do with whether them in 2014 is more like the team we had in 2004 or more like the team we have now, who ever the manager is.

I should think that if in fact the Board have handicapped the manager (and there is factual evidence that suggests just that) and it is for any reason other than preventing the club going bankrupt post-haste we should want to know that if only because it might continue so long as long as we do not question or protest it indefinitely. What right do we have to expect anything else if we are unwilling to even just seek the truth?

Do you think anyone here will be less pissed off period if we are still playing for fourth or maybe thrid and trophyless under a new manager for three years from here whether I am posting my views or not? No if I'm not posting my views if will just be all posts about "(insert name)" being just "another blind deluded senile *word censored* who's holding back the team from winning silverware" Can you see it being anything else if nothing changes?

[Naki_Gooner]

Hats off to martin. Must be one of the most successful WUM's in the history of the OG. Well done mate. The fact that you bring the board up on a match thread, while the game is in progress beggars belief. Once again, well played.

[basilbrush14]

FUCKING DISGRACE

I really cant be fucked to go into it anymore apart from.... Wenger out!!!!

Fair enough but what if the new manager still has to to work with our ass-backward post-2005 wage structure which makes signing genuine proven talent that's over 16 basically impossible. What then? Why do we do? What does Arsenal do? And what do Arsenal's supporters do?

We won titles and trophies before Arsene came and am sure that we will after he is gone when he sets up home with his french bit on the side!

[Eboue-Why?]

I am currently brokendown on the A14 and waiting for the AA to turn up on the way back from the game.

What a perfect day.

Tell you what mate, if you were waiting for AA to do something, I fear you are probably still waiting (the lazy git, total waste of space. Had enough of flashes of brilliance, I want a player with a heart)

PS Hope you got home safe

[NBM]

Shouldn't we hold the players to account over this?

Against a team at the bottom of the Championship we should be able to pick any 11 from the squad and if they cared and put a bit of effort in they would have a very good chance of winning and little chance of losing. It shouldn't matter who the manager is. In a semi-final, even a two bob cup, they should be putting the effort in,

Same against Leeds and other games in the last few seasons - too many of the players don't care about the result and don't care about the club or the fans.

The squad should pay half their weeks pay to charity, all of it if they fail against West Ham at the weekend.

Trouble is it's not a one off, they're allowed to get away with playing like that. Wigan, Leeds, last night. Too many players don't need trophies as they're in their early 20's and earning 40k a week. Win, lose or draw they still go home to their flash cars, big houses and gold plated iPads.

They're reaping the rewards without achieving them first. Why should they care about Ipswich away. The sooner the bottom falls out this fucking game the better.

**EDIT**

Just read this after posting and realise I sound like my fucking Dad....