Defending the defenceless NICK BENDTNER

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Welling Gooner wrote:The Audley Harrison of football.

Always claiming he is great should be this, should be that and then backs it up with nothing!

Bendtner and Harrison same dillusional genes?
Yeah get what you're saying - though I think one being a Blonde Scandanavian and the other an Afro-Carrribean I think any argument of them having the exact same genes is easily quashed!

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Herd wrote: He's leagues better than Chamakh
:coffeespit:

WUM.

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rodders999 wrote:
Herd wrote: He's leagues better than Chamakh
:coffeespit:

WUM.
When Bartender was given his chance last season he took it IMO, he kept us in the title race, with key goals, he was our only fit striker, and the stick he gets, when being played out wide is unreal. Open your eyes. Bayern Munich and so on wouldnt be after him, if he was so useless. Strikers play on confidence, hes in and out of the team, What more could you expect for a 22/23 year old. Hes not class by all means, but hes a good player to have.

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savaloisav wrote:
rodders999 wrote:
Herd wrote: He's leagues better than Chamakh
:coffeespit:

WUM.
When Bartender was given his chance last season he took it IMO, he kept us in the title race, with key goals, he was our only fit striker, and the stick he gets, when being played out wide is unreal. Open your eyes. Bayern Munich and so on wouldnt be after him, if he was so useless. Strikers play on confidence, hes in and out of the team, What more could you expect for a 22/23 year old. Hes not class by all means, but hes a good player to have.
To put a shift in would be a good start.

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Herd wrote:Notwithstanding his massive EGO I think he gets a bad deal off people on here and elsewhere for that matter.

He is an out and out center forward ,not a winger or a midfielder and yet he gets slated here constantly when its out fault we dont make the most of his talents .
Whenever he does play he has to play the push and run that the team plays however when he plays for Denmark (and I go or see most of their games) he plays as a lone target man striker with a back up from a link man and a team that will commit bodies in the box for crosses it works very well .

When he does play for us and we to play to him rather than stupid 1/2's through packed defenses he does ok and he is a good finisher.

Those who slag him conveniently forget that he is used nearly always ,when the 2nd string is on duty and that we know isn't a team that isnt good enough.

He's leagues better than Chamakh in my opinion yet all i ever read on here is negative shit about him,I don't understand it ?
I would of defended him more if this was last season, now it might have something to do with his injury at the start of the season but so far this season he has not looked good. Why does Wenger insist on playing him as a wide man and on the right against Leeds? This again is where the 433/541 does not work for some players if he does play as a wide player he is often isolated and quickly closed down and if he plays down the middle he seems to have no support from another striker. He strikes me as a player who neess that strike partner either Theo or Vela. He is not a Drogba(24 million) who can lead the line by himself(and took a number of years to learn it). I think like most players he needs games and a good run of games in 1 position and with a regular partner.

The problem is he is not going to get that at Arsenal and with the style of play we are currently playing. I think he will become a good striker but unfortunatly for him not at Arsenal

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stg wrote:
Herd wrote:Notwithstanding his massive EGO I think he gets a bad deal off people on here and elsewhere for that matter.

He is an out and out center forward ,not a winger or a midfielder and yet he gets slated here constantly when its out fault we dont make the most of his talents .
Whenever he does play he has to play the push and run that the team plays however when he plays for Denmark (and I go or see most of their games) he plays as a lone target man striker with a back up from a link man and a team that will commit bodies in the box for crosses it works very well .

When he does play for us and we to play to him rather than stupid 1/2's through packed defenses he does ok and he is a good finisher.

Those who slag him conveniently forget that he is used nearly always ,when the 2nd string is on duty and that we know isn't a team that isnt good enough.

He's leagues better than Chamakh in my opinion yet all i ever read on here is negative shit about him,I don't understand it ?
I would of defended him more if this was last season, now it might have something to do with his injury at the start of the season but so far this season he has not looked good. Why does Wenger insist on playing him as a wide man and on the right against Leeds? This again is where the 433/541 does not work for some players if he does play as a wide player he is often isolated and quickly closed down and if he plays down the middle he seems to have no support from another striker. He strikes me as a player who neess that strike partner either Theo or Vela. He is not a Drogba(24 million) who can lead the line by himself(and took a number of years to learn it). I think like most players he needs games and a good run of games in 1 position and with a regular partner.

The problem is he is not going to get that at Arsenal and with the style of play we are currently playing. I think he will become a good striker but unfortunatly for him not at Arsenal
The question you have to ask yourself though is do you really think its worth building the team around Bendtner's strengths? Thats the sort of privelege a player gets by working hard in whatever position he plays and establishing himself through his own actions.

I dont know about you but i wouldnt disrupt the Theo Van Nasregas dynamic just to accomodate billy bender.

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No as I said he will not get the chance at Arsenal to play the way he needs to play because of the the way we play. Perhaps playing in the German league with BM will be better suited for him.

The thing that annoys me is people who just say "oh he is shit" and then just come out with the same old cliche's without looking to why a player is playing that way. These players are obviously good otherwise Arsenal and other clubs would not be playing or looking at them to join their clubs.
You have people saying "he's the new Lee Chapman" but if you look at the way Arsenal played when we had Chapman you might see why he struggled(Chapman tall striker who could head a ball well so we played the ball through midfield and passed it to his feet more often than not. We did not play to his strenghts) and it is the same with Bendtner(just waiting for the "he has no strength's" or "his strengths are he is shit" comments).
This season he has struggled as I said it might be down to the injury or/and not playing regulary. Plus the fact that the way Arsenal play football does not suit his style of play.

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stg wrote:No as I said he will not get the chance at Arsenal to play the way he needs to play because of the the way we play. Perhaps playing in the German league with BM will be better suited for him.

The thing that annoys me is people who just say "oh he is shit" and then just come out with the same old cliche's without looking to why a player is playing that way. These players are obviously good otherwise Arsenal and other clubs would not be playing or looking at them to join their clubs.
You have people saying "he's the new Lee Chapman" but if you look at the way Arsenal played when we had Chapman you might see why he struggled(Chapman tall striker who could head a ball well so we played the ball through midfield and passed it to his feet more often than not. We did not play to his strenghts) and it is the same with Bendtner(just waiting for the "he has no strength's" or "his strengths are he is shit" comments).
This season he has struggled as I said it might be down to the injury or/and not playing regulary. Plus the fact that the way Arsenal play football does not suit his style of play.
That and the fact that he is shit :lol:

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I had a lot of time for Bendtner as at the time he was young (still is sorta) and very brash.
I actually liked the fact he had an ego, a bit of self convidence is a great thing in a striker. However........

He's dog shite! simple.

No first touch
Seems to take too many touches as if it's some sort of skill. However, I'm starting to think he controls the ball as if its a hot potatoe.
Doesn't link play well.
Slow mentally.
For a man that's 6ft + is shit in the air.
How many goals has he blocked on the line.....the shots for us! :roll:

The problem is he's become a laughing stock and it's his own doing. The ego's great but the times past for him to be putting into practise what he preaches.

Still hope he net a hatrick tomorrow! :barscarf: :lol:

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all in all..

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Lets conclude this conversation with, weve never really replaced Christopher Wreh ...

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If only "The Big I Am" thought he was shit and was actually brilliant rather than the other way round.

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stg wrote:No as I said he will not get the chance at Arsenal to play the way he needs to play because of the the way we play. Perhaps playing in the German league with BM will be better suited for him.

The thing that annoys me is people who just say "oh he is shit" and then just come out with the same old cliche's without looking to why a player is playing that way. These players are obviously good otherwise Arsenal and other clubs would not be playing or looking at them to join their clubs.
You have people saying "he's the new Lee Chapman" but if you look at the way Arsenal played when we had Chapman you might see why he struggled(Chapman tall striker who could head a ball well so we played the ball through midfield and passed it to his feet more often than not. We did not play to his strenghts) and it is the same with Bendtner(just waiting for the "he has no strength's" or "his strengths are he is shit" comments).
This season he has struggled as I said it might be down to the injury or/and not playing regulary. Plus the fact that the way Arsenal play football does not suit his style of play.
I think he'd do a job in the Bundesliga

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marcengels wrote: I think he'd do a job in the Bundesliga

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When Bentmember was fighting for his place in team at the start of the previous season he was OK. He was putting in a decent shift, chipping in with odd goal but he still wasn't pulling up any trees - but at least he was putting in the effort. But then RVP got injured and he stopped putting the effort in coz he was first choice. And for me he hasn't put a decent shift in since. I know he is playing out of position but thats Arsene for you. Attitude is all wrong reminds me a bit of Greedy when he wasn't a regular he was running chasing etc but then when he got first choice he turned out to be possibly lazier than The Assman. U gotta work for ur Dollar in any job, but u seem to get away with it under Arsene ?

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Post by Swale_Gooner1985 »

As you know im a egular defender of Bendtner, and will continue to be for the time being...

Bendtner does score goals, however he does also miss too many chances, he should have a better goals tally for the chances he has.

When he has played lately he has also looked poor, but remember he has been out with a succession of injuries and has only had bit parts here and there, i think he is still regaining sharpness and match fitness

He came back at a similar time to Van Persie, only Van Persie has had more opportunities to regain match sharpness, which i think most will agree he is only just doing (last couple of game)

So i think its a little unfair on Bendtner to be on his back at the moment, he at least needs the next few weeks to get back to a competitive level, if this form continues to the end of the season then maybe ill have to rethink my stance on him

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