Zippy wrote:mikeyb772001 wrote:Get a hobby like you and sit on the pc every game whilst picking out arguments with genuine fans.
hahaha. Class! Fantastic irony.
As to the rest of your comments, look... Fair play if you went to Ipswich. I know as well as anyone (and i'm not going to get into a playground discussion about my Arsenal credentials, so you'll have to take my word for it) how disappointing and frustrating it can be to shlep off to some shithole - especially in midweek - and see a few of the players, and very rarely, the team in general, completely fail to put a shift in.
It was not nice to see, but how often does it really happen that we witness a performance that dire. Once or twice a season? And that's once a season more than has been the case for most of the current manager's tenure.
Like everyone else, I don't have a problem with criticism of the players, the manager or anything else. But the caveat to that is the criticism should be fair, appropriately measured and at the very least well-informed.
When I read statements like:
mikeyb772001 wrote:Half the team don’t care at all and that is CLEAR TO FUCKING SEE. I never see Bendy run around giving his 100% all when he hasn’t had a good game.
...I just think you're either a complete plonker or a spers fan planted here from glory-glory.net I mean... do you REALLY believe that?? Half the team don't care at all?? They're professional footballers playing for a manager that's won the title 3 times. Do you honestly think they could get away with going about their day to day jobs without giving an ounce of a shit? I don't know what you honestly expect, or what they could do to make you believe they did care?
Same goes for calling professional footballers who have made it to the top of the game with one of Europe's biggest clubs "useless", "complete shit" etc; calling a manager with Wenger's pedigree a c**t or suggesting he's "lost the plot"; or digging out people who support the same club as you and who share the same passion as being "deluded" for trying to get behind their team and their manager at a time when that support is needed perhaps more than it has been for 30 years. These are the type of comments I might expect to see if we were going through a genuine crisis and struggling like Liverpool have been. Not when you're sitting a few points off the top of the league with the best away record in the division.
mikeyb772001 wrote:If you went to your favourite restaurant and the food came out cold and not cooked, and then you complained to the waiter who walked off chewing gum smiling, would you be impressed?
No, I wouldn't be impressed. But i might vote with my feet and, if I was that unhappy, leave and not go back. What I wouldn't do is wet my pants like a twelve year old girl and then proceed to whinge about it for hours on end making a cock of myself, ruining everyone else's evening out and dragging the restaurant's reputation through the mud for the sake of what might have just been a bad day for the member of waiting staff...
Do you see where I'm coming from?

End of the day Zippy we are 2 fans with vastly different views. While you settle for players like Denilson and Barry B I don’t fucking like them. I am 33 years old and my first Arsenal game was in 1987 and I have never in my life time had so much contempt for players or a managers I do now.
You say that it’s a rare thing that the players don’t put a shift in but that’s simply not true. Way to many times this season I have witnessed many players not giving there all and being lazy. Arsenal v West ham, Arsenal v Newcastle, Arsenal v Birmingham , Shakhtar , scum 2nd half , braga , Arsenal v Fulham , Manure , Wigan , Leeds, and finally Ipswich! All of these games there has been a lack of effort despite some of the final scores. Not sure if you go the matches but the highlights on motd do not give a clear indication of how much effort many of the players put in.
Back in the day I have never hated a player but in this day and age the players are of a different mould and do not show the true Arsenal spirit. As I have said before if your on a run a bad form then fair enough, but don’t sit back and be fucking lazy. Don’t walk off at the end of the game laughing and chatting. Most of fans that start turning on the players are only just starting in higher numbers now as they have had enough of watching these shit players over the last few years. Its built up and up and if they decide to swear after the final whistle as said lazy players walk off the pitch smiling then its there right to do so.
Those players have been given lucrative contracts and no matter how bad they play they don’t get dropped and they keep giving the same lazy performance. If a fan chooses to cheer these players and keep supporting them then fine its up to them.
What I don’t get is why its so important to fans like you to get on the backs of fans who really have had enough of watching such passionless players play for his beloved club??????
You also mention that I should leave and not come back just because I am not satisfied with the current team. Well my friend I cant do that, I have arsenal in my blood more so than any player or manager. No matter what I will support them and keep going the matches and nothing will change. I put in effort as do 1000’s of us that no current player or manager could give.
When we get up on cold mornings with no money in the bank account to go to some shite part of the country to watch us play like *word censored* and not give 100% it does fuck you off to watch said players stroll around thinking there too good to put in effort.
Just to reply to your other comment about players being allowed to go about there jobs not giving a shit about the effort. This is clearly the truth! Way to many players in the team do not put in the effort and our manager keeps playing them. He rewards failure and has done so for a long time.
You seem to have biased views on the current team and don’t look at things in a realist way. Like a parent who has a kid that is ugly or that is shit at sports day. You in your mind think your kid is handsome , that he will marry a beautiful girl and that he could be a doctor when he grows up. When we all know that kid will grow up to be obsessed with star treck, have a girlfriend in Somalia that he met on the net and work in the cinema selling popcorn.
I respect your opinion though I don’t agree and you should do the same. If you go to matches I would happily buy you a beer as we are all gooners together regardless of views.
I am not calling myself a super fan but I find it hard to believe that a fan who goes as many games as I do home and away has such rose tinted views as you do.
If you are a away travelling man like myself and have seen every home game so far this season then I salute you for being so positive, I wish I could be the same and I do really mean that. It would stop me getting those terrible throbbing head aches I get at the end of a home gay at the grove.
What’s important is that for 90 minutes during the game we support the team which I do to the top of my voice.
If we loose to Ipswich and I choose to shout at Barry at the end then that’s my right. I pay the *word censored* wages at the end of the day.
