http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Zionists/
For anyone who didnt see it. Now i know very little apart from what I read, but this was a very interesting insight into the type of thing that go on in the west bank.
I presume these guys are like extreme jews???
I know very little about the history but these guys seem to be in the trouble making buisness from what they show.
Forget holy lands, because PEACE has always been the key to these religions, so they come across as extremists to me, looking to stir up more trouble.
Very sad.
Louis Theroux - Ultra Zionists
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Re: Louis Theroux - Ultra Zionists
I'll watch it tommorow bren. I enjoy watching documentaries as it give you a different point of view to look from. I will always dislike the amount of violence and segregation that goes with it though.northbankbren wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Zionists/
For anyone who didnt see it. Now i know very little apart from what I read, but this was a very interesting insight into the type of thing that go on in the west bank.
I presume these guys are like extreme jews???
I know very little about the history but these guys seem to be in the trouble making buisness from what they show.
Forget holy lands, because PEACE has always been the key to these religions, so they come across as extremists to me, looking to stir up more trouble.
Very sad.
as far as controversial subjects go on here, this is the don. i don't think the program made much effort to make the point that those portrayed living on illegal settlements and encampments (UN's words, not mine) were very much a minority, or that the hostility from the arab community is little more than some kids throwing rocks.
not a great documentary really, louis theroux has done better in the past.
not a great documentary really, louis theroux has done better in the past.
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It was a poor documentary in many senses, good in a few others.
Main problem was lack of historical context.
Never explained why Israelis were able to live in the West Bank, a couple of simple maps at the start would have been a big help.
Neither side spoke well, there was too much immediacy in the comments, too little wider perspective.
Felt the editorial angle was to go straight in and portray the Jewish people living in the West Bank as "Occupiers" rather than as people.
Most potent comment was from the teenager who apologised to Louis Theroux for his mate throwing a rock at him, who said he wanted all Jews out of all Israel, for him there was no differentiation between Jews in the West Bank, and Jews in other parts of Israel.
xDaveyx the programme showed a lot of rock throwing but it did make clear that attacks on the Jews there were by petrol bomb and guns too.
Ross Kemp made a two part similar documentary that was better, it showed a wider perspective, and went further, interviewing members of Hamas and Israelis who live in Tel Aviv.
There is a better documentary still to be made on the Jews in the West Bank, with a less confrontational perspective.
Both programmes did little to convince there is much chance of peace in the region, to see film of world leaders at The White House shaking hands, then see how there is a need for an armoured car just to take someone to the shops in some of the West Bank shows the scale of the problem.
Northbankbren:
The Jews living in the West Bank are in the main religiously Orthodox, but are not especially extreme in wanting to live there.
Both the West Bank and parts of Israel not in the West Bank are all considered the holy land.
The West Bank residents are not there looking for a fight, but there are obvious hostilities between themselves and the Arabs, and considerable competition for water and arable land, so it is a situation of fighting.
Main problem was lack of historical context.
Never explained why Israelis were able to live in the West Bank, a couple of simple maps at the start would have been a big help.
Neither side spoke well, there was too much immediacy in the comments, too little wider perspective.
Felt the editorial angle was to go straight in and portray the Jewish people living in the West Bank as "Occupiers" rather than as people.
Most potent comment was from the teenager who apologised to Louis Theroux for his mate throwing a rock at him, who said he wanted all Jews out of all Israel, for him there was no differentiation between Jews in the West Bank, and Jews in other parts of Israel.
xDaveyx the programme showed a lot of rock throwing but it did make clear that attacks on the Jews there were by petrol bomb and guns too.
Ross Kemp made a two part similar documentary that was better, it showed a wider perspective, and went further, interviewing members of Hamas and Israelis who live in Tel Aviv.
There is a better documentary still to be made on the Jews in the West Bank, with a less confrontational perspective.
Both programmes did little to convince there is much chance of peace in the region, to see film of world leaders at The White House shaking hands, then see how there is a need for an armoured car just to take someone to the shops in some of the West Bank shows the scale of the problem.
Northbankbren:
The Jews living in the West Bank are in the main religiously Orthodox, but are not especially extreme in wanting to live there.
Both the West Bank and parts of Israel not in the West Bank are all considered the holy land.
The West Bank residents are not there looking for a fight, but there are obvious hostilities between themselves and the Arabs, and considerable competition for water and arable land, so it is a situation of fighting.
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Yeah just posted on that, our posts crossed each other.M-50 wrote:Anyone seen Ross Kemps documentary on the West Bank? Really opened my eyes to the situation.
Anyone else think the situation was properly portrayed on that occasion?
Thought Kemp's was a much better documentary, wider range of interviewees, though he still seemed to portray the Jewish West Bank residents as extreme rather than acting out of conviction.
But that seemed to genuinely be his opinion.
In both documentaries the Jewish West Bank residents' language seems very confrontational, and I wonder if it has been edited that way?
Though Hebrew is a more direct grammatically direct language than English, and I also know that Israelis therefore speak English in a much more blunt way than people from England.
Most insightful documentary I have seen on subject recently was the episode of "Cooking In The Danger Zone".
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I will check out the ross kemp doc, as it sounds like a better perspective. I suppose the reason i posted is because i know how much editing goes into these things and that they take an editorial point of view before they even start shooting.
Cheers for all the insights guys, as i said i dont have a clue about this stuff so it all informative. One thing I can presume from the doc though is that the main guy who owned all the properties is a bit of an extremist. And not a great representation, i suppose that was the point of chosing him.
Cheers for all the insights guys, as i said i dont have a clue about this stuff so it all informative. One thing I can presume from the doc though is that the main guy who owned all the properties is a bit of an extremist. And not a great representation, i suppose that was the point of chosing him.
