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QuartzGooner wrote:
Wilshere could play attacking midfield too, he has done well there before.
If Frimpong or Coquelin do well, one of them could partner Song in deep midfield, freeing up Wilshere to play further forward.
I don't think Wilshire is mature enough yet to carry that responsibility.
I have to be honest, but respectfully I find that a moot point.
He might only be 19, and at that age can have good and bad games, but I think he is our best player after Cesc, and has amazing positional sense and passing ability.
He is currently the "Soul" of the team, and if he can be Man of the Match against Barcelona in the way he was last week, he can play deep midfield or number 10/second striker with equal quality.
If anything his current deep midfield role carries more responsibility than the number 10/second striker role, because he has to do a fair bit of defensive work and cover for Song's forward runs.
My hunch is that Ramsey is well suited to the number 10 role, but will have to see how he comes back after injury.
QuartzGooner wrote:
Wilshere could play attacking midfield too, he has done well there before.
If Frimpong or Coquelin do well, one of them could partner Song in deep midfield, freeing up Wilshere to play further forward.
I don't think Wilshire is mature enough yet to carry that responsibility.
I have to be honest, but respectfully I find that a moot point.
He might only be 19, and at that age can have good and bad games, but I think he is our best player after Cesc, and has amazing positional sense and passing ability.
He is currently the "Soul" of the team, and if he can be Man of the Match against Barcelona in the way he was last week, he can play deep midfield or number 10/second striker with equal quality.
If anything his current deep midfield role carries more responsibility than the number 10/second striker role, because he has to do a fair bit of defensive work and cover for Song's forward runs.
My hunch is that Ramsey is well suited to the number 10 role, but will have to see how he comes back after injury.
It's not a moot point, it's very much the point - seeing as he would taking over from Fabregas.
Yes, he was man of the match, but he's not man of the match in every game. And he's currently alongside Fabregas, and we're talking about him after Fabregas.
I think he needs to mature as a player to be the lynchpin, and mature as a man.
No doubt about his technical ability and awareness, but this is something else. Fabregas matured earlier, as foreign youngsters tend to do more so that british ones.
QuartzGooner wrote:
Wilshere could play attacking midfield too, he has done well there before.
If Frimpong or Coquelin do well, one of them could partner Song in deep midfield, freeing up Wilshere to play further forward.
I don't think Wilshire is mature enough yet to carry that responsibility.
I have to be honest, but respectfully I find that a moot point.
He might only be 19, and at that age can have good and bad games, but I think he is our best player after Cesc, and has amazing positional sense and passing ability.
He is currently the "Soul" of the team, and if he can be Man of the Match against Barcelona in the way he was last week, he can play deep midfield or number 10/second striker with equal quality.
If anything his current deep midfield role carries more responsibility than the number 10/second striker role, because he has to do a fair bit of defensive work and cover for Song's forward runs.
My hunch is that Ramsey is well suited to the number 10 role, but will have to see how he comes back after injury.
It's not a moot point, it's very much the point - seeing as he would taking over from Fabregas.
Yes, he was man of the match, but he's not man of the match in every game. And he's currently alongside Fabregas, and we're talking about him after Fabregas.
I think he needs to mature as a player to be the lynchpin, and mature as a man.
No doubt about his technical ability and awareness, but this is something else. Fabregas matured earlier, as foreign youngsters tend to do more so that british ones.
Wilshere has had his off-pitch problems, and none of us want him to go off the rails.
But he is an on-pitch leader, and very capable of playing behind a striker, as his form in the Braga away game suggested.
I am not saying Wilshere will definitely play as a number 10, I just suggest he will be one of the players to be considered for that role if Cesc leaves.
There is a strong argument for leaving Wilshere deep midfield and keeping his decent partnership with Song, and trying Nasri or Arshavin as number 10.
Whether Wislhere is given the armband I have no idea, I suspect that if Cesc leaves then a fit again Vermaelen will get that.
Last edited by QuartzGooner on Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:35 pm, edited 5 times in total.
QuartzGooner wrote:
Wilshere could play attacking midfield too, he has done well there before.
If Frimpong or Coquelin do well, one of them could partner Song in deep midfield, freeing up Wilshere to play further forward.
I don't think Wilshire is mature enough yet to carry that responsibility.
I have to be honest, but respectfully I find that a moot point.
He might only be 19, and at that age can have good and bad games, but I think he is our best player after Cesc, and has amazing positional sense and passing ability.
He is currently the "Soul" of the team, and if he can be Man of the Match against Barcelona in the way he was last week, he can play deep midfield or number 10/second striker with equal quality.
If anything his current deep midfield role carries more responsibility than the number 10/second striker role, because he has to do a fair bit of defensive work and cover for Song's forward runs.
My hunch is that Ramsey is well suited to the number 10 role, but will have to see how he comes back after injury.
I think Jack has played deep this year so Wenger can see if he can cut it at this level, if Cesc goes I too think Jack will move forward as he's naturally attacking and probing and see Ramsey having a season next to Song finding his way and feet again.
Playing Ramsey as the teams playmaker would be too big a risk considering no one knows if he can pick up where he left off, Jack can play anywhere, this has been his season where he fits into the team but he's done far better then anyone could have imagined.
QuartzGooner wrote:
Wilshere could play attacking midfield too, he has done well there before.
If Frimpong or Coquelin do well, one of them could partner Song in deep midfield, freeing up Wilshere to play further forward.
I don't think Wilshire is mature enough yet to carry that responsibility.
I have to be honest, but respectfully I find that a moot point.
He might only be 19, and at that age can have good and bad games, but I think he is our best player after Cesc, and has amazing positional sense and passing ability.
He is currently the "Soul" of the team, and if he can be Man of the Match against Barcelona in the way he was last week, he can play deep midfield or number 10/second striker with equal quality.
If anything his current deep midfield role carries more responsibility than the number 10/second striker role, because he has to do a fair bit of defensive work and cover for Song's forward runs.
My hunch is that Ramsey is well suited to the number 10 role, but will have to see how he comes back after injury.
It's not a moot point, it's very much the point - seeing as he would taking over from Fabregas.
Yes, he was man of the match, but he's not man of the match in every game. And he's currently alongside Fabregas, and we're talking about him after Fabregas.
I think he needs to mature as a player to be the lynchpin, and mature as a man.
No doubt about his technical ability and awareness, but this is something else. Fabregas matured earlier, as foreign youngsters tend to do more so that british ones.
Wilshere has had his off-pitch problems, and none of us want him to go off the rails.
But he is an on-pitch leader, and very capable of playing behind a striker, as his form in the Braga away game suggested.
I am not saying Wilshere will definitely play as a number 10, I just suggest he will be one of the players to be considered for that role if Cesc leaves.
There is a strong argument for leaving Wilshere deep midfield and keeping his decent partnership with Song, and trying Nasri or Arshavin as number 10.
Whether Wislhere is given the armband I have no idea, I suspect that if Cesc leaves then a fit again Vermaelen will get that.
Not really what I was getting at. I wonder whethe he is mature enough to be the focal point of the team, yet. He is playing with Fabregas, which clouds the situation. Also, taking over from Fabregas doesn't mean captaincy, just that position in the team - which is of huge importance in the style of play.
Just in terms of you saying Song plus one other, with Wilshere in Cesc's role, I'm not sure he's ready to carry that. Physically or mentally.
Last edited by marcengels on Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:03 am, edited 1 time in total.
