WHY ARSENAL ARE A F**KING DISGRACE

[JLAS]

Slight over-reaction to call them a disgrace imo, all the clubs have done is agreed to listen to the proposal, basically someone has put the idea on the table, and the clubs' reps are willing to hear them out, nothing more. Very far from any sort of agreement

I can't see it happening personally

[Rilo II]

roly, please

FUCK OFF AND DONT COME BACK YOU PATHETIC LITTLE SHIT.

[SPUDMASHER]

roly, please

FUCK OFF AND DONT COME BACK YOU PATHETIC LITTLE SHIT.

Rilo II please don't sit on the fence. Say what you mean for fucks sake

[donaldo]

Roly

There is wating list of 40,000 who will take you seat off you.

Fuck off to watch the O"s and Colchester and enjoy the shit they churn out.
Lets go back to the 80"s when we didn"t have the chance to watch world class players under a world class manager when gates were under 25,000.Stop fcuking living in the past

[augie]

I concur totally with other sentiments expressed here when I say that it is you that is the dickhead and moron I supported DD 100% and still do and am baffled as to how you can lay the blame at the feet of a man that has nothing to do with football at this moment of time. I have no doubt whatsoever that the lack of tours by our club to the far east or america in recent years is totally down to wengers insistance on that policy but, much as I hate to give them any credit , the board have supported wenger on this. Contrast this to policy at manure who have gone spreading their brand long before their club was in foreign ownership so you cannot blame the yanks for that.

Football has been about money long before foreigners have taken control of english clubs - what else it the champions league about when they allow 4 teams from the major leagues to play in the competition despite calling it the champions league Was it foreign ownership that forced our board to change the crest this club has had for many many years ? Was it foreign ownership that forced the club to attempt to patent the word Gooner ? Was it fcuk Put simply the cash the premier league has created has tempted foreign ownership but the greed has existed long before that. There is a xenaphobia that exists in certain areas of england and that is troubling - first they didnt want foreign players, then they didnt want foreign managers and now they dont want foreign ownership I can understand fans knocking foreign players if they aint good enough for their team but that in an ability decision - dont be a hypocrite by going along to the grove singing your hearts out for foreign players like DB10,henry,cesc etc and then knock the foreign owners cos they are all here for the money

If you bothered to read other threads you will see that the vast majority of fans on this forum(and I suspect that this will reflect across the country) are opposed to this idea so dont come on here spouting crap and calling us all morons because that just makes you look like a *word censored*

[Gunner4LiF3]

what you have to understand is that Arsenal is a buisness, and just like any other buisness it cant stand still. If the premiership dont go abroad soon (while being the top league in the world) la liga and premiera division will jump at the opportunity.

I for one like watching the best players every week, and i understand that the only way thats going to happen is if the premiership continues to move forward.


Would it really be so bad to let fans who watch every game on TV and are as passionate about the club to see the players live for the first time??? I mean cutting 10 days from player holidays is hardly the end of the world

Arsenal is an INTERNATIONAL BRAND!

[Chunky The Gooner]

Has he gone?

[T.S]

what you have to understand is that Arsenal is a buisness, and just like any other buisness it cant stand still. If the premiership dont go abroad soon (while being the top league in the world) la liga and premiera division will jump at the opportunity.

I for one like watching the best players every week, and i understand that the only way thats going to happen is if the premiership continues to move forward.


Would it really be so bad to let fans who watch every game on TV and are as passionate about the club to see the players live for the first time??? I mean cutting 10 days from player holidays is hardly the end of the world

Arsenal is an INTERNATIONAL BRAND!

No. Arsenal is a football club. I mean no offence by this, but how long have you supported Arsenal? By playing one game abroad, it is creating a precedent for it to happen more times a year. Thus further alienating the fans from the club.

You say that fans who live in all corners of the earth should get a chance to watch Arsenal, and you're right. But while there are people who live in Islington who can't attend games because they have families and simply cannot afford it, I don't see why other fair weather 'supporters' should be catered for. The club should be catering for people who live and breathe Arsenal Football Club, not some fucking people who will fill out a stadium and cheer for any team who scores a goal, just because one has been scored - just so they can earn a quick buck.

Our finances are steady. Why, oh why do we need to dip even more in to this market at all? Also, tell me this; how is it fair that we play 18 teams twice and 1 team three times? How the fuck is that fair? How the fuck is any of this fair?

I guess the main questions is this - if Arsenal go to play competitive games in foreign countries, what is in it for the supporters? If someone in Arkansas wants to watch Arsenal, they should fucking save up and come over here to watch us, because we are a London team. London is our home, so that is why we play home games there.

There is no justification for that at all other than sheer greed and it is fucking disgusting.

[MK Gould]

There are 3 reasons why the Premier League are interested in this:
1. It will generate more income
2. It will generate more income
3. It will generate more income

That isn't just what Arsenal think. Its what all the club chairman think. And the sad thing is that if this was any other business then it probably would be the right thing to do.... Its just a step on from a couple of years ago when everyone (including us...) had a token player from the far east, to attract greater TV revenue and merchanding.

And this won't be a lost "home" game for either team!

I'm sure though that when the Premier League Chairman have a good chance to consider the fans then they will see sense and reject the idea....NOT !! The pity is, for a number of guys on the forum, Croke Park won't be considered as a venue because, lovely as Ireland is, its just too damn cold!!

[Battersea Gooner Boy]

For years I have been ale to proudly boast to glory hunting muppets that we are a proper footballclub- we dont do tours to usa asia or whereever to make a quick buck. why? cos our great manager does not believe such tours benefit team preparation and our board, despite the loss of vast potential income, have backed the manager. compare that with the likes of the muppets, chavski, mickey mousers - no matter what the managers may think money was priority so these money making tours happened no matter what adverse effect they may have on the team.

ever since the amricans bought the muppets i told them that in our lifetime their club would be moved lock stock and barrel to america - they all laughed at me.


for ages i have warned the foreign takeover of clubs is going to lead to the end of relegation - no relegation in any major american sport cos no club can afford a promotion, relegation system everyone laughed.

for ages i have warned if15 clubs are foreign owned they could use their 75% vote to move premiership out of the country. everyone laughed.

when dein was in favour of foreign takeover i berated all those short sighted gooners who supported him cos of what i feared it would lead to. i dont care that many gooners have changed their mind. every gooner who initially supported dein is a short sighted moron who has given encouragement to the premiership to move games out of the country and if anyone thinks i am wrong as to where this could lead to, then those who think i am wrong are morons.

what galls me is that our club does not have the bollocks to stand up for principles and oppose moving games to bongo bongo land or whereever.and that is why the club is a fucking disgrace.

if one league game is moved out of the country, that will be it for me - i will give up watching - i bet wenger is going apoplectic at the idea.

everyone who has any interest in the future of football should bombard edelman and tell him in no uncertain terms that if club dont oppose this idea then he should fuck off out of club and that you will refuse to go anymore if plan implemented.


so those of you who laughed at me for suggesting foreign owners have agenda to end relegation and move clubs abroad may not be laughing so loudly now and those of you who supported dein have been shown up to be real dickheads well done. you have got what you deserve. enjoy your trips to bongo bongo land-i`ll be watching colchester or the mighty O`s

jesus! this must be **** *** husband!

(T.S. - ROB, HE BEAT THE SYSTEM!!!!)

[Gunner4LiF3]

do u not think the premiership would suffer quality wise if we didnt have revenue from Asia etc??? By revenue I also mean TV deals

Do you not think Arsenal would suffer?

Do u think we would have built a AG without it?

[T.S]

do u not think the premiership would suffer quality wise if we didnt have revenue from Asia etc??? By revenue I also mean TV deals

No. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that.

Do you not think Arsenal would suffer?

No. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that.

Do u think we would have built a AG without it?

We don't need the extra few million a season to fund AG. There is a repayment structure in place which is based on fixed rate loans. This 'deal' won't make a jot of difference to our funding of the stadium. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that.

[Gunner4LiF3]

Arsenal Holdings plc results for the year to 31st May 2007:

Match day £90.6m (£44.1m in the prior year) 51% (33%) of football revenue

Broadcasting £44.3m (£54.9m) 25% (42%)

Commercial £29.5m (£22.8m) 17% (17%)

Retail £12.1m (£10.2m) 7% (8%)

[RaM]

I guess the main questions is this - if Arsenal go to play competitive games in foreign countries, what is in it for the supporters? If someone in Arkansas wants to watch Arsenal, they should fucking save up and come over here to watch us, because we are a London team. London is our home, so that is why we play home games there.

Exactly right TS. I already said on the other thread about this, that even if Arsenal were to play overseas and I saw them, it wouldn't 'feel' like a match. It would be advertised much like an 'event' (think when Beckham, (oh and LA Galaxy) played Sydney FC. An entertaining game, but some of the supporters there were disgusting...)

Nope, I'm going to get to London one day, and that will be when I see Arsenal play live. Until then, I'm happy to watch on tv in the dark hours of the morning.

[T.S]

Arsenal Holdings plc results for the year to 31st May 2007:

Match day £90.6m (£44.1m in the prior year) 51% (33%) of football revenue

Broadcasting £44.3m (£54.9m) 25% (42%)

Commercial £29.5m (£22.8m) 17% (17%)

Retail £12.1m (£10.2m) 7% (8%)

And your point is?

Congratulations, you've spouted a few figures at me. All that tells me is that we are doing fine as we are and that we don't need any more fucking money. Our stadium is financed. We have money to spend on transfers if we wish. We have 180,000 signed up members. This is like the '£55,000 - £60,000 swerve off the road' saga. How much money do we actually need?

I support Arsenal Football Club. Do you understand that? They are a football club. We don't need more money. Our finances are fine. This is clearly greed. This isn't Football Manager mate, where the more money you have, the happier people are.

By doing this, Arsenal might be in pocket an extra couple of million quid a year, but is it really worth it for all of the fans they're going to piss off?