THAT'S IT

[jonny3110]

Good bye then.

Maybe you want to support Chelsea instead. Good bye.


Not happy with team, but you sound spoilt. I had to live through mid eighties.

Yea I'm spoilt! Mug.

I've been to every cup final we've fucked up in, and travelled everywhere to watch em bottle it time and time again!!! It's fans like you that keep us making up the numbers just to sit there and say 'coor, I'd rather be us than them' Well actually I wouldn't. What do you want another 6 years of being nearly men, whilst we buy NOONE????? We have not an ounce of character in that team except Jack, VP and Nasri!!! Name me another? Any of em. Look at those 2 little twin pricks running the show! We're a joke. Enjoy it there, but I'm spoilt right? What cause I think a dictator who sits on our money whilst we can clearly see what's needed but refuses to move away from his stubborness so that if by some miracle he does win something he can say I spent nothing, we have the quality etc whilst every other team think we're a laughing stock and we get smashed at EVERY SINGLE opportunity to do something!!! No, you enjoy that and get spoilt with fuck all, cause lifes too short and theres better stuff for me to spen £1700 on a year!!

Haha. Just read this.

You come off as very spoilt actually, yeah. Did you buy your own season ticket age 7? haha.

It says you have gone to games since 1993, so you have seen an initial dull but successful period, followed by a few turgid seasons, then it has been a golden era under Wenger.

But now we have a few seasons of no silverware you decide to run away.


Mug am I?

Honestly pal, you come off like one of those Man Utd fans who thinks they have a divine right to success.

Your £1700 guarantees you nothing except a seat at the game.

You are either a fan or not, but don't make your support dependent on our success.

"Fans like me". What you know about me?

Very little I would say. Try reading some of my posts to see if I think all is rosy in the garden. It is far from rosy.

But I still support the team.

Or are you going to pick a new team to support now?

Very funny. No of course I didn't buy my own season ticket, my dad did, who still sits with me, and he has been going every weekend since 1957...quite a commitment that...and today, he has said the same as me, he's had enough. He's seen us when we were mid table, but I think then, the team even had heart, used to give as good as they got. It's not the collapse that huts but more the predictability of it and the way it ALWAYS happens! You could put your life on it. The only tryers today, Jack, Nas and VP a bit!

We let 2 little midget twins boss us today, them along with an out of form fat english granny shagger, and a midfield 2 bob general (Gibson) who I wouldn't want to grace our bench, but they tried so hard compared to us lot it was embarrassing.

Don't be so condescending, I could never support another team, but the way in which we walk about the pitch I don't think I could say the same for our players. Yes I did call you a mug, because that go support s*urs shit is about as productive as sticking your tongue out and saying ne ne na na!

And my hard earned £1700 gets me a seat yes, not guaranteed a win and if you look at some of my posts and articles that have been on the Gooner, I've always said as a fan you get what your given, but at least fucking try if a second rate united team are gonna take the piss. Instead it was the other way round and Scholes was putting the boot in when they were 2-0 up in the 90th! Pathetic. Yes I've lost faith and as you know, cause you go to the games, so have thousands of other real fans!!!

[jonny3110]

johny u really are a complete tool , good riddance , are you still here

Haha this did make me laugh. Like saying: "you twat, what a bellend....hello, you still there mate??"

[QuartzGooner]

Good bye then.

Maybe you want to support Chelsea instead. Good bye.


Not happy with team, but you sound spoilt. I had to live through mid eighties.

Yea I'm spoilt! Mug.

I've been to every cup final we've fucked up in, and travelled everywhere to watch em bottle it time and time again!!! It's fans like you that keep us making up the numbers just to sit there and say 'coor, I'd rather be us than them' Well actually I wouldn't. What do you want another 6 years of being nearly men, whilst we buy NOONE????? We have not an ounce of character in that team except Jack, VP and Nasri!!! Name me another? Any of em. Look at those 2 little twin pricks running the show! We're a joke. Enjoy it there, but I'm spoilt right? What cause I think a dictator who sits on our money whilst we can clearly see what's needed but refuses to move away from his stubborness so that if by some miracle he does win something he can say I spent nothing, we have the quality etc whilst every other team think we're a laughing stock and we get smashed at EVERY SINGLE opportunity to do something!!! No, you enjoy that and get spoilt with fuck all, cause lifes too short and theres better stuff for me to spen £1700 on a year!!

Haha. Just read this.

You come off as very spoilt actually, yeah. Did you buy your own season ticket age 7? haha.

It says you have gone to games since 1993, so you have seen an initial dull but successful period, followed by a few turgid seasons, then it has been a golden era under Wenger.

But now we have a few seasons of no silverware you decide to run away.


Mug am I?

Honestly pal, you come off like one of those Man Utd fans who thinks they have a divine right to success.

Your £1700 guarantees you nothing except a seat at the game.

You are either a fan or not, but don't make your support dependent on our success.

"Fans like me". What you know about me?

Very little I would say. Try reading some of my posts to see if I think all is rosy in the garden. It is far from rosy.

But I still support the team.

Or are you going to pick a new team to support now?

Very funny. No of course I didn't buy my own season ticket, my dad did, who still sits with me, and he has been going every weekend since 1957...quite a commitment that...and today, he has said the same as me, he's had enough. He's seen us when we were mid table, but I think then, the team even had heart, used to give as good as they got. It's not the collapse that huts but more the predictability of it and the way it ALWAYS happens! You could put your life on it. The only tryers today, Jack, Nas and VP a bit!

We let 2 little midget twins boss us today, them along with an out of form fat english granny shagger, and a midfield 2 bob general (Gibson) who I wouldn't want to grace our bench, but they tried so hard compared to us lot it was embarrassing.

Don't be so condescending, I could never support another team, but the way in which we walk about the pitch I don't think I could say the same for our players. Yes I did call you a mug, because that go support s*urs shit is about as productive as sticking your tongue out and saying ne ne na na!

And my hard earned £1700 gets me a seat yes, not guaranteed a win and if you look at some of my posts and articles that have been on the Gooner, I've always said as a fan you get what your given, but at least fucking try if a second rate united team are gonna take the piss. Instead it was the other way round and Scholes was putting the boot in when they were 2-0 up in the 90th! Pathetic. Yes I've lost faith and as you know, cause you go to the games, so have thousands of other real fans!!!

Condescending?

You and your father are overreacting.

If he has been every weekend since 1957 he has surely seen a lot worse than the current season.

I am too young to have gone in the mid sixites but by most accounts it was even worse than the mid eighties and the mid seventies.

Yes were were awful today and yes there are things that need fixing or we will not win the league in the forseable future.

If you are in financial or personal difficulty and have to give up the season ticket for those reasons, fair enough.

But your posts on this thread read to me that your commitment has wavered at the first tough period you have had to support the club through, precisely because it is a "relative" tough period.

Has SAFCFTM got any chance of seeing his team win the league? Very little. But he is still committed to his club.

[USMartin]

Com,mitment to your club is not blind loyalty to its Board and deliberately ingnoring their failings and deliberately blaming them on others and even willfully misleading about those failings, Quartz.

And that loyalty should work both ways, no? Unless you are one of those who would rather tolerate being cheated on and make to look a fool than being left alone.

[Sutch]

From jonny's perspective, him paying all that money every single year for nothing but failure, would make alot of people consider not renewing. You've got to think, football was alot more affordable 20/30 years ago, the seasons might have been bad but I'm sure the team had heart, grit and a backbone? Seeing this current team take to the pitch every week thinking they're world class and underestimating every opponent they come across, getting paid ridiculous amounts of money for failure and most players not even acknowledging fans at away games is truly sickening. The best squad AW's ever had?

I don't own a season ticket, I'm glad I don't as I don't go to home games anymore with all the suits/tourists/families. I wouldn't stop going no matter what, I go to about 10-15 games a season, whatever happened I would still have at least that level of attendance each season, but spending that massive amount of money each year for nothing is more understandble.

[QuartzGooner]

Com,mitment to your club is not blind loyalty to its Board and deliberately ingnoring their failings and deliberately blaming them on others and even willfully misleading about those failings, Quartz.

And that loyalty should work both ways, no? Unless you are one of those who would rather tolerate being cheated on and make to look a fool than being left alone.

I am blaming Wenger for his tactics, his coaching and too much faith in players who clearly are not good enough.

[jonny3110]

Yea Quartz things were way worse in the 60's he says, even then sp*rs were the main London team, but like everyone says, we weren't filled with lies that the club can do this and that and going through a barren period when wat we need is staring us straight in the face. Buy a f*cking keeper, get a proper decent centre back, get another proper world class defensive mid and a 30 goal a season striker who won't be injured every other week. Instead Wenger finds these cheap kids from all over the world and it don't work (yes there are obvious exceptions, Cesc is the best player I've seen to ever come through a youth system like this).

If none of this gets done, & we always crumble at the big tests, every single year is the same story, and then they have the cheek to say, oh we earnt another 50 mill, or wanna come see the away game at the emirates for a tenner, do you think we should all say, well it's been worse! It hasn't really, we've NEVER had a board keep all our money, and had to pay so much for so little!!!

[QuartzGooner]

I don't own a season ticket, I'm glad I don't as I don't go to home games anymore with all the suits/tourists/families. I wouldn't stop going no matter what, I go to about 10-15 games a season, whatever happened I would still have at least that level of attendance each season, but spending that massive amount of money each year for nothing is more understandble.

Well the home games have a lot of fans there too it is not just suits, families and tourists!

And I agree with Johnny that the team has underperformed for five seasons, and that Wenger talks a load of rubbish. I share the frustration.

But Sutch's last sentence is where I struggle to understand, though maybe it is a generational thing?

It is not just "nothing" to me.

I am not a rich guy who can chuck money at a season ticket and laugh it off, but for me football is about more than just watching a team for 90 minutes.

It is about friends, meeting up before or after a game, drinks, food, discussing the game, banter, etc.

It is part of my social life, and ritual, and identity, not just something where I am a spectator.

These things transcend the team's form.

I have had a season ticket a while now, but I cannot get to every game every season because occasionally there is a work or family commitment I just cannot get out of, and I will watch on TV if timings allow.
Or I am overseas.

But then still I try to make it as much of an experience as possible, trying to watch with other fans and so on. And I make sure my ticket goes to someone who will appreciate it.

[Sutch]

I don't dispute what you said about the ritual, identity etc., it's the same for alot of people including me, but I don't think it's that bad to give up a season ticket what with all the financial hardship and everything. Not having a pop, you're actually one of the members I've known the longest on here, just trying to, in a way, justify Jonny's actions.

[QuartzGooner]

I don't dispute what you said about the ritual, identity etc., it's the same for alot of people including me, but I don't think it's that bad to give up a season ticket what with all the financial hardship and everything. Not having a pop, you're actually one of the members I've known the longest on here, just trying to, in a way, justify Jonny's actions.

Yeah I agree about financial hardship, I think most people would.

But to me there is very little in the way of experience in the UK that can compare with going to football, I prefer it to clubs, cinema etc even though it costs a lot of money.

My first reply to Johnny was flippant, I admit it, but accept my apology because I was unusually wound up after the game today, even though I thought we would lose I just got so fed up with D+D.

[JMascis666]

Johny you should just sell a half share in your ticket to someone.

That way you can still watch The Arsenal 10 odd times a season without the full financial outlay a season ticket demands.

[Sutch]

True, but alot of fans are disillusioned with our current ground, and alienated with the club itself. Football is a business now, is it not?

Older members will regard me and other fans my age (18) as lucky for never knowing true hard times in football terms, but we also consider older fans, usually our fathers, uncles, grandfathers etc. lucky for knowing the old football culture when players and clubs genuinely cared for their fans, standing was obviously the norm, and TV was second to actually being at the game for most of the country, whereas now it's facebook warriors watching from their comfy armchairs. I have heard no end of stories from my relations about Arsenal from before I was born, it sounds brilliant, and I resent the fact I never got to experience what a game was like back then. That's part of the reason I'm an away boy, I can't stand the stewards at home games and people frowning at you when mocking our own support and trying to get a song going.

[bergkamp10]

Good bye then.

Maybe you want to support Chelsea instead. Good bye.


Not happy with team, but you sound spoilt. I had to live through mid eighties.

Me to, that is what is tough. Even GG teams towards the end were hard...

I only hope the BOD look at the situation in the summer,

[USMartin]

And you think the selection of thos players has nothing to do with mooney made available not simply to sign new players but to pay and keep the players already here?

[QuartzGooner]

And you think the selection of thos players has nothing to do with mooney made available not simply to sign new players but to pay and keep the players already here?

The budget exists to strengthen the squad.

We could have new players on same wages who would enhance the squad.

It is up to Wenger.

Before we even think about a big money striker signing that could be made from profits, how about keeping wage costs the same and replacing?

Bendtner with Piquionne

Arshavin with Marin

Denilson with Annan

Sell off Vela, Squillachi, Diaby, Rosicky, Traore, Watt, Randall, Eboue and we could use the £13M or so raised in transfer fees plus money saved in wages to buy Gary Cahill too.