THAT'S IT

[augie]

It's funny cos I always went along with the phrase that "it is the club I support not just this team" when defending my need to slate certain players and the team in general but now I am looking at the bigger picture and wondering what exactly is left for me to support ?

The Manager - dont not support him at all and I want the *word censored* gone out of my club asap. I am grateful for all he has done for us in the past and for producing some of the greatest teams of all time but that ship has now sailed and he is incapable of either seeing it or changing it

The Board - not on your nelly. These self serving *word censored* do not give a continental flying fcuk about you, me or any fans as they continue to fleece us with the most expensive ticket prices in world football but in return they invest little or nothing. How any board can continue to sit back and watch any person of responsibility mis-manage so badly and do nothing about it baffles me It is easy know that the majority of people on our board never toiled hard to make the money to purchase those shares cos maybe if they did they might have more appreciation of what is expected of them and the club as a whole but of course most of the shares are inherited so our silver spooned *word censored* live on in their cocooned bliss

The Players - dont make me laugh. If I was installed as manager in the morning there would be a few who would be out the door tomorrow (regardless of a transfer window or not ) and many more who would be out the door in the summer. Lack of quality is somewhat acceptable but lack of commitment and passion is not and sadly we have too many players who have neither Quartz talks about how bad things were in the 80's and he is correct but in those days we had average players who appreciated what it was to play for The Arsenal and they bust a gut trying to make up for their weaknesses........these gutless *word censored* are pampered and are an insult to the club and fans and are the reason why fans begrudge handing over their hard earned 1k + for season tickets every season

[Glitch33]

The Players - dont make me laugh. If I was installed as manager in the morning there would be a few who would be out the door tomorrow (regardless of a transfer window or not ) and many more who would be out the door in the summer. Lack of quality is somewhat acceptable but lack of commitment and passion is not and sadly we have too many players who have neither Quartz talks about how bad things were in the 80's and he is correct but in those days we had average players who appreciated what it was to play for The Arsenal and they bust a gut trying to make up for their weaknesses........these gutless c**ts are pampered and are an insult to the club and fans and are the reason why fans begrudge handing over their hard earned 1k + for season tickets every season

As much as AW's myopia and stubborness irritates the fuck out of me it's the players attitude that really gets me going.

If the players aren't trying the fans won't get behind them. In times of this financial crisis it's the fans that suffer whilst the players are immune.

Transfer fees and wage continue on an upward spiral. We are not getting value for money and fans will turn their backs on the team.

Of course some people will lay all the blame at AW's door and if players aren't showing commitment he has to do something about it.

Unfortunately we won't get to see if he changes his ways and sells and buys the players we need before we have to shell for another season of frustration and flagellation.

[Rugby Gooner]

We showed great mental strength.

YAWN

Arsenal FC will NEVER win another trophy under a manager who constantly rewards losers with bumper new contracts and keeps them all shrouded in cotton wool in a crèche full of molly coddled nobody's.

Absolutely spot on!
I am fucking fed up with Wenger blaming everyone,and everything else so he doesn't have to actually blame the spineless,overpaid,couldn't care less fucking wankers,that let us down every week!(With the obvious exceptions of Wilshire and Nasri).They even have a nice pink fluffy quiet,non critical half time so as not to bruise their delicate egos! Aluminia,Eboue,Rosicky,Chamakh,Squillaci,Denilson,Bendtner,Diaby and Fabianski should all be got rid of in the summer,Get Bartley back from Rangers and build the defence around him and Vermaelen.Let Fabregas fuck off to continue his love-in with his Barcelona buddies,and construct the mid field around Wilshire.
Let Usmanov have a go at taking over the club,he couldn't do any worse,and Red and White holdings would at least bring David Dein and a war chest to the club!
I have now had enough of this bunch of no -marks!They are turning THE ARSENAL into a laughing stock!If you want to get a measure of how shit they are,imagine them playing the Invincibles in their pomp!
Time for a new banner behind the North Bank goal:-
WITH WENGER WE'LL RUST!!!!!

[jonny3110]

Well this has certainly caused a stir

LDB, I respect a lot of what you say on here, but supporting a team through thick and thin is what I have always done, but I cannot stand to sit in my seat, watch us smash your Blackpools, and Leyton Orients whilst Bendtner holds his hand to his ear at their fans, but then a week later when the only player who seems to be consistently puts in a shift every week, Jack, puts on a plate for him a chance to beat Barca at the Nou Camp in the dying minutes he has the touch of a rapist and lets Mascherano, a man who mostly graces their B team and had run ragged for 90 minutes, whilst Nicks been on for 5 mins, catch up with him and clear it!! Bendtner gets 50 grand a week....just think about that 50 GRAND. I don't earn that in a year, and I play football and can honestly say, hand on heart my 1st touch at the Nou Camp for THAT chance would have been better than that! Honestly. Obviously the guy is a better player, but can't step up! Have you seen that chance again???? I'm sorry but it's the same for every crunch game!

Yesterday really was the final straw. 7 defenders....7 FUCKING DEFENDERS fergie put out and let's face it, bar cesc, theo and song that's our 1st XI. They had no nani, berba, rio, fletcher, carrick etc etc and we couldn't even beat them. What a chance to get back on track!!

And I'm sorry if you think we can win the league quite frankly you're deluded!!! We had the easiest run last year and drew at Birmingham, lost a spuds, lost at united, lost at wigan after goin 2-0 up etc etc. We'll crumble again big time!! I never dreamed, NEVER DREAMED we'd fuck up against Birmigham!

It's not the players fault, it's Wenger and the board. Wenger I feel is the best 1 on 1 coach in the world, easily! But he needs like a Dein in the background saying, look you have X to spend, you need to spend this X whilst getting rid of Y and Z and we need to get a trophy this year otherwise you're out or we need to reveiw our strategy etc. Then he'll get results!

And everyone stop saying go support spuds or chavs, what if you supported Blackpool, or look at Bolton, yea well we're Arsenal, and they never believe they can win the league, or a proper trophy, but we honestly do every year to watch them let us down and not step up!! It's De Ja Vu every time!!! And I bet you that a) they all spend more than us in the transfer windows and b) don't spend a fraction of what we do on tickets home and away!!! Or even a fucking 5er for a beer or pie!

Sorry I'm going Silver membership next year and will go to most home games still (you're guaranteed a ticket to all home matches), and me and the pot and pan will share one season ticket for away days keep the credits going for....Finals but will skip a few to save that extra 500 that I can spend on lager when we fuck up against everton away or some shit! If we were 4 points clear with a game left we'd find away to fuck up

[highburyJD]

in the 80's the players cared...?
but they where slipping training and lazy till Gadaffi arrived
then they where in training even though they were pished

and its all very well talking about different eras
but stanley matthews was the first EuroPlayer of the year
and he attributed it to being a non smoking teetotal veggie lover who ran miles up and down sand dunes outside of training every day

we were poo last night
we were poo half the time in the 80s and 90s
reality check needed

[QuartzGooner]

@USMartin

Honestly do not worry about what you write about the board. I have seen you write that players wages are inflated so the club can boast how much it spends on wages, and that Dein, Kroenke, Usmanov et al could be linked together in a conspiracy to bleed the club.

Too far fetched for me, too nebulous.

The training ground and tactics are what need our attention.


@Augie

I cannot say if players cared more for the club in the 80's or now. But as HighburyJD says, they drink less, smoke less, and eat better.
But I do know that now, they are not being given the correct tools to work with.

Look at Diaby for the first Man Utd goal, he simply does not know what he is supposed to be doing or where to stand or what run to make to track someone.

My guess is that is down years of inadequate coaching.

[O'Leary]

Seriously Johnny

I share your frustration with the team.

But I had to sit through Hillier, McGoldrick, Jensen in the mid 90's and others who believe it or not were worse than Denilson, Diaby and Rosicky.

I had to sit/stand in the early and mid 80's before Graham arrived when we were a million miles from winning the league, and we all had to guess which Charlie Nicholas would turn up to the game, and watch a late career Rixy add to his collection of sideways passes.

We all want to see new signings of quality players,but we just have to stick with the club through thick and thin.

Henry

The board?
For me this about Wenger, keeping faith in players who are not good enough, and not coaching defence well enough.

I remember signing Glen Helder from Vitesse Arnhem in the mid 90's he was signed to "save our season"... now he was fucking awful. He made Bendtner's shooting look good.

[jonny3110]

Seriously Johnny

I share your frustration with the team.

But I had to sit through Hillier, McGoldrick, Jensen in the mid 90's and others who believe it or not were worse than Denilson, Diaby and Rosicky.

I had to sit/stand in the early and mid 80's before Graham arrived when we were a million miles from winning the league, and we all had to guess which Charlie Nicholas would turn up to the game, and watch a late career Rixy add to his collection of sideways passes.

We all want to see new signings of quality players,but we just have to stick with the club through thick and thin.

Henry

The board?
For me this about Wenger, keeping faith in players who are not good enough, and not coaching defence well enough.

I remember signing Glen Helder from Vitesse Arnhem in the mid 90's he was signed to "save our season"... now he was fucking awful. He made Bendtner's shooting look good.

Glenn Helder was such a good dribber and fantastic at running with the ball but couldn't shoot for shit!! Bit like a worse version of Hleb!

Quartz I remember Jensen and those. Was there when he finally scored! Quite liked John though!! David Hillier....awful

[USMartin]

@USMartin

Honestly do not worry about what you write about the board. I have seen you write that players wages are inflated so the club can boast how much it spends on wages, and that Dein, Kroenke, Usmanov et al could be linked together in a conspiracy to bleed the club.

Too far fetched for me, too nebulous.

The training ground and tactics are what need our attention.


@Augie

I cannot say if players cared more for the club in the 80's or now. But as HighburyJD says, they drink less, smoke less, and eat better.
But I do know that now, they are not being given the correct tools to work with.

Look at Diaby for the first Man Utd goal, he simply does not know what he is supposed to be doing or where to stand or what run to make to track someone.

My guess is that is down years of inadequate coaching.

Quartz I really don't have much to add beyond yesterday. You have no credibility regarding the Board because you don't care what they have done are doing or might do. The truth is they are more impirtant to you for what they stand for in your mind than the club itself is. You could crare less in my mind what happens to the club so long as you can retain that view about them because that way you can retain that view about Arsenal itself.

You actually want to believe today's board stands for the very same values and principles and way of doing things as it did in 1930 and that is more important to you than anything else. Either that or maybe you are a stooge for the Board, given that your views on it and its policies are about as objective and at times honest as a press officier employed by the club would be - and not on one or two issues but any issue in which their policies have been questioned that I have seen discussed here.

For the record I would like to believe it's simply the former that explains your complete lack of objectivity

[frankbutcher]

Get a room.

[USMartin]

USMartin = Wenger apologist

Thats it Marty keep clouding the real issues but all this board bollocks

No you are cloding the real issue perhaps - what about that

As I said in another thread I simply don't believe the man is a complete idiot or fool or that he just happened to become one just as the Board over=-borrowed money to change its plans and pursue what looks right now like a stock-doping project given that so far all the re-development of highbury has done besides make less money available to invest in the team is increase the vlalue of shares in the club.

But you'd rather believ that's just coinciudence too maybe?

I get told my views are too far-fetched. Fair enough in a sense - it is pretty shocking stuff to take in. But is it anymore far-fetched than suggesting that the manager suddenly lost his ability to evaluate and develop talent just two years away from 2004 and after the building the 2002-2005 team that might be our best ever, and that no one at the club has noticed this or is willing to do any thing about it and th his lack of sopending had haelped makes the shareholders ebven wealthier is mere coincidence or accident of fate?

The same applies for the whole "project" theory. How realisitic is it to suggest that as since her reportedly did this at Monaco that the Board had no idea whatsoever he would do this hear and he would do it just as they overborrowed this money and that they the extra money they have made in part because of it was again just really dumb liuck?

You are a Board apologist if you don't see that.

[OnlyGotOneSong]

I feel so burnt out watching this team offer so much but produce so little. The only reason I want Wenger to stay is because its clear to me that there are some players that are only still here because of him (Cesc, RVP). But then I look at the squad and see players that shouldn't even be here and that is solely down to him. The club, sadly, needs a re-vamp, which is obviously easier said than done. If Arsene leaves, will certain players follow him out of the door? If they did, you'd have to question their commitment to the club. We will get left behind by other teams spending power if changes are not made. It really is a sad state of affairs at the moment but I dont see an end to it.

This club is bigger than Wenger and there are managers out that I feel could bring us some silverware. My one worry is that without a doubt, if AW leaves so does Cesc. Some of you are probably already resigned to the fact that he'll be leaving in the summer but I know, you ALL want him to stay. We've all seen that this team is uncapable of winning without him. If he goes, it'll be at least another 3-4 years without winning anything, unless we see a significant injection of funds for Wenger or whoever to SPEND.

I'm now at a point where I wouldn't mind Usmanov taking over and pumping some serious finds into this club. Many clubs would love to be in the position that we are in and many managers envy Wenger for what he's been able to do but I honestly think it's the end of the road. If winning trophies means that we no longer do things the "Arsenal way" in terms of transfers and spending, then so be it. It's alot prettier for people looking in, than it is for us looking out.

[Rosie_titters]

our big problem, is we don't sign big name players, who have played in some of the best leagues in europe and have won things

what is the point of signing players from the belgium league and the french 2nd division

[marcengels]

our big problem, is we don't sign big name players, who have played in some of the best leagues in europe and have won things

what is the point of signing players from the belgium league and the french 2nd division

cos they're cheap as pommes frites

[frankbutcher]

our big problem, is we don't sign big name players, who have played in some of the best leagues in europe and have won things

what is the point of signing players from the belgium league and the french 2nd division

cos they're cheap as pommes frites

Complete the phrase:

Pay peanuts......