You! Shall we do a bit of internet research quickly!kingjayson1 wrote:I think we should just go with the Arsenal FC not PLC. Who will they sue?
The way to get their attention
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Arsenal 1991
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Good post. I am not some Marxist/Leninist now. I have even run a small business (my family's) and may be starting one again soon.SteveO 35 wrote:I'm not sure that I'm against the principle of Arsenal being a plc that makes profit. I'm against the club's lack of a clear investment strategy. Most plc's have a 'strategic vision' - usually along the lines of "to be the UK's / world's / Europe's largest preferred / largest / no.1 in xxxxxxxxx"
My disapproval is that I have no idea what Arsenal's strategy is ? Are we a football club or a property company ? If it is supposed to be the former (god only help us), then what is the goal ? That's the single biggest question any Chairman or Board of Directors should be able to answer.
Is it to be London's best / biggest / most succesful. England's ? Europe's ? How do they measure their success in achieving that goal - is it trophies, if so then clearly they are failing to meet the goal. If not trophies then what - profit, fan base, commercial income.
We should ask them testing questions and ask them to explain themselves thoroughly. If they chose not to, that's the time to get the press active.
The issue is not profits vs silverware - there is room for both. The problem to me is if me views are correct that there is an over-empahasis inside the club of maximizing profits and share price at the expense of ambition for the football team. My concern is that this is a genuinely short-term policy based solely or primarily at the very least on the goal of selling out at maximum personal profit to new ownership.
As I have said before what would be wrong with pushing the share price to 5K a share instead when no one on the Board other than Stan Kroenke recently had paid more than 2K a share, and a number of Board members inherited their shares and paid nothing at all from their pockets for them?
They would still be richer individuals. We would still be stable financially off the pitch, and the club would still be achieving more or have the best chance to achieve more on the pitch. Is that so bad?
I think this a classic case of the actually not entirely modern disease of human nature gone haywire summed up as "How much is enough?"
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Might sound silly, but to raise awareness we could get it put into the google/youtube search dropdown menu? You know, when you're typing in a search and it comes up before you've completed it. If you type something in and click search enough, will that then be listed in the dropdown menu after a few days? Like on twitter, we could make it one of the trending topics of whatever.
Don't worry about prison. I'll do the facebook, you do the twitter. Then when Arsenal sue we can put our money together to get out of itkingjayson1 wrote:Will you come visit me inside? No need to bring the soap, I'll have it shipped in bulkAA23Northbank wrote:If you want to carry the can, that's fine with mekingjayson1 wrote:I think we should just go with the Arsenal FC not PLC. Who will they sue?
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Might be good if they sue.Arsenal 1991 wrote:You! Shall we do a bit of internet research quickly!kingjayson1 wrote:I think we should just go with the Arsenal FC not PLC. Who will they sue?
Could generate press attention. They could serve notice to sue, at which point you get the press involved, portray yourself as a little man vs Big PLC, "All I want for Christmas is a new centre back and a striker" etc and then of course you back down on the name before you get to court, but the publicity has been achieved.
Very good point, by that stage there would be a lot of public interest, shall I go ahead with a facebook group?QuartzGooner wrote:Might be good if they sue.Arsenal 1991 wrote:You! Shall we do a bit of internet research quickly!kingjayson1 wrote:I think we should just go with the Arsenal FC not PLC. Who will they sue?
Could generate press attention. They could serve notice to sue, at which point you get the press involved, portray yourself as a little man vs Big PLC, "All I want for Christmas is a new centre back and a striker" etc and then of course you back down on the name before you get to court, but the publicity has been achieved.
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+ 1.QuartzGooner wrote:Might be good if they sue.Arsenal 1991 wrote:You! Shall we do a bit of internet research quickly!kingjayson1 wrote:I think we should just go with the Arsenal FC not PLC. Who will they sue?
Could generate press attention. They could serve notice to sue, at which point you get the press involved, portray yourself as a little man vs Big PLC, "All I want for Christmas is a new centre back and a striker" etc and then of course you back down on the name before you get to court, but the publicity has been achieved.
1886 wrote:Don't worry about prison. I'll do the facebook, you do the twitter. Then when Arsenal sue we can put our money together to get out of itkingjayson1 wrote:Will you come visit me inside? No need to bring the soap, I'll have it shipped in bulkAA23Northbank wrote:If you want to carry the can, that's fine with mekingjayson1 wrote:I think we should just go with the Arsenal FC not PLC. Who will they sue?
I'd love jail, I'd be in the showers 24/7 I put arsenalfcnotplc as the name.
"All Power to the Soviets"OnlyGotOneSong wrote:Wow, you lot have been busy here. Without having to read every page, what exactly is this campaign hoping to achieve?
Seriously I think the main goal is a change in the polices about team-building and composition and the spending on that. Hope that helps
evidence that structure by way of a small committee (say 5) and chairman should be chosen before this becomes too unwieldy. responsibility for delegation, agenda, priorities, etc etcQuartzGooner wrote:Where do you get off with writing such stuff?USMartin wrote:Not surprising really but PURE RUBBISHQuartzGooner wrote:Yeah SteveO has identified a clear and important item.
Anything that campaigns for"Wenger Out" or "The Board Out" is doomed.
It is too cliched, and by it's very nature encourages resistance against it.
Focus should be on getting the manager to buy more top quality players/improving the coaching.
And that is it.
Anything else such as ticket prices, relations with the club, etc is pointless, as there already exist fan organisations to deal with that, which have regular meetings with the club.
Our focus must be on changing the frustration of seeing a squad that has been "So near yet so far" for the last five years.
The focus should be on the club showing more ambition. Whether that means sorting out the manager or confronting the Board on its policies is uncertain but it would be irresponsible to pretend this is solely down to the manager and pressuring him to take care of it. Basically they can just say money is available to spend if the manager wants to one more time then and get away with it. Or even if they change the manager if these are their policies all they will have accomplished is changing the manager, not correcting the problem.
Real pressure has to be exerted on the Board because even if I am completely wrong in my beliefs it is ultimately still up to them to rectify the situation - they still own and run the club after all. Either they are content with a manager lacking any ambition whatsoever whatever his motives or he is acting on their own lack of ambition whatever its motives, and either way they are the only ones who can really fix things, whatever is required to do that.
Tell you what.
You carry on with your sluggish campaign to vaporize the board, and everyone else will get on with a realistic focused campaign for better players.
kingjayson1 wrote:1886 wrote:Don't worry about prison. I'll do the facebook, you do the twitter. Then when Arsenal sue we can put our money together to get out of itkingjayson1 wrote:Will you come visit me inside? No need to bring the soap, I'll have it shipped in bulkAA23Northbank wrote:If you want to carry the can, that's fine with mekingjayson1 wrote:I think we should just go with the Arsenal FC not PLC. Who will they sue?
I put arsenalfcnotplc as the name.
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I've followed. Probably best to take your name off Jay, up to you though.kingjayson1 wrote:1886 wrote:Don't worry about prison. I'll do the facebook, you do the twitter. Then when Arsenal sue we can put our money together to get out of itkingjayson1 wrote:Will you come visit me inside? No need to bring the soap, I'll have it shipped in bulkAA23Northbank wrote:If you want to carry the can, that's fine with mekingjayson1 wrote:I think we should just go with the Arsenal FC not PLC. Who will they sue?
I put arsenalfcnotplc as the name.
You would wouldn't youkingjayson1 wrote:1886 wrote:Don't worry about prison. I'll do the facebook, you do the twitter. Then when Arsenal sue we can put our money together to get out of itkingjayson1 wrote:Will you come visit me inside? No need to bring the soap, I'll have it shipped in bulkAA23Northbank wrote:If you want to carry the can, that's fine with mekingjayson1 wrote:I think we should just go with the Arsenal FC not PLC. Who will they sue?
I put arsenalfcnotplc as the name.
