The way to get their attention

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n6gooner wrote:
Reg Niseth wrote:It's great to see fans organising themselves. However, a lot of what your suggesting has slowly been building momentum. It's been a year since this was set up. It has a web presence, twitter, facebook, etc. John Cross has been following us and there is talk of an article.

We even have a bank account which has been used to produce a banner.

It's all down to timing. It ain't about wearing a scarf, it's about like-minded.

The banner contains the message LET'S KICK GREED OUT OF FOOTBALL.

Rather than a number of groups setting up, why not take another look.

Some of you may ask why they haven't heard a lot from the BSM recently. Well the simple answer is it takes up a lot of time, and in our case, our own money.

There's always many pleading for something to be done but when it comes down to it they rearely put themselves up for it.

I suggest you take another look so that we're not duplicsating our efforts. You may find that the foundations that have been built are a suitable platform to take to the next level.

www.wherehasourarsenalgone.co.uk
first agenda item kingjason - do we avoid reinventing the wheel or start afresh?

reg - what are the specific benefits of merging you can highlight/recommend?
benefits beng that all you suggest, i.e. website, facebook, twitter and more importantly funds are in place. It's all be a matter of timing. this time last year we had a huge surge in interest, people wanting to help out etc. But when it came down to giving up some time etc. many started to fade away. Happy to shout about something as long as someone else did the work.

That's one of the reasons why momentum has slowed. Although we have approx 5000 following on various facebook pages (I don't do FB so ain't clued up on the termonology).

We've also had a meeting with Martin Lipton ad the mirror and twitter conversations with John Cross. Now that our banner has been produced they are more interested in writing a piece.

BSM may have been started with the question Where has our Arsenal gone? but it doesn't mean we can't change our stance.

More people on board writing articles and taking to the streets is what we need. As I said the foundation is there we just need more stormtroopers.

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Arsenal 1991 wrote:Agreed Quartz, I was worried using the original logo might distract from the aims of the group.

My aims would be:

1. The board to spend money on new players.

2. A defensive coach to be brought in, Martin Keown ideal.

Maybe a third point could be asking for greater transparency from AW and the board?
So the one before or current one?

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Irish Gooner wrote:While I believe the ideas are sound, my personal opinion on the aims you have given Quartz is that:

It is basically to close to telling Wenger how to do his job. Telling Wenger to buy 3 players, to coach defense and to let go of the average rubbish are all what we want.

But the board/Wenger will not listen to these claims, as they will see it as some noisey fans telling AW how to do his job.

It's a tough task.

I mean I want lower ticket prices and in fact we are raising them, I want Wenger out of the club.
We are trying to tell Wenger how to do his job, for sure. That is exactly what this is about.

I really believe in the direct approach.

General statements could get lost in the mass of media activity that happens every day.

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Arsenal 1991 wrote:
kingjayson1 wrote:
Arsenal 1991 wrote:
kingjayson1 wrote: How big should the committee be? How many people in it? Who?
i suggest 4 (plus you makes 5) are proposed by others and then voted on if necessary

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kingjayson1 wrote:
Arsenal 1991 wrote:Agreed Quartz, I was worried using the original logo might distract from the aims of the group.

My aims would be:

1. The board to spend money on new players.

2. A defensive coach to be brought in, Martin Keown ideal.

Maybe a third point could be asking for greater transparency from AW and the board?
So the one before or current one?
I'd say the current one for now.

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kingjayson1 wrote:
Sutch wrote:The image on twitter, the plain, modern badge, on the current ground. Wasn't the move to the ground and possibly even the change to the current badge basically selling our history/traditions so the club could become more corporate and line their pockets?
Correct, I'll change pronto.
whats the twitter page?

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kingjayson1 wrote:
Arsenal 1991 wrote:Agreed Quartz, I was worried using the original logo might distract from the aims of the group.

My aims would be:

1. The board to spend money on new players.

2. A defensive coach to be brought in, Martin Keown ideal.

Maybe a third point could be asking for greater transparency from AW and the board?
So the one before or current one?
I'd say the current one for now.

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Everyone follow @arsenalfcnotplc

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Great, I'm all for making our voices heard, but lets be careful with the "spend money" message, we know what we will get back (we've seen it enough on this forum) - we will end up bankrupt, like Leeds etc. And defininitely no wenger out message. For me its about:

- not being satisfied with CL qualification
- improving the quality and variety of the squad
- seeing some progress with the old deficiencies we know so well (defence, leadership, setpieces etc)
- justifying the wage bill and the ticket prices

Love the FC not PLC, why don't we use our old cannon logo (its not copyrighted remember!)
Count me in.

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Reg Niseth wrote:It's great to see fans organising themselves. However, a lot of what your suggesting has slowly been building momentum. It's been a year since this was set up. It has a web presence, twitter, facebook, etc. John Cross has been following us and there is talk of an article.

We even have a bank account which has been used to produce a banner.

It's all down to timing. It ain't about wearing a scarf, it's about like-minded.

The banner contains the message LET'S KICK GREED OUT OF FOOTBALL.

Rather than a number of groups setting up, why not take another look.

Some of you may ask why they haven't heard a lot from the BSM recently. Well the simple answer is it takes up a lot of time, and in our case, our own money.

There's always many pleading for something to be done but when it comes down to it they rearely put themselves up for it.

I suggest you take another look so that we're not duplicsating our efforts. You may find that the foundations that have been built are a suitable platform to take to the next level.

www.wherehasourarsenalgone.co.uk
I am glad to hear things are going well for the BSM. I think there is certainly room for some cross-pollination here and we should support one another and work together.

I think the one caveat is that your goals are more expansive and cover areas that right or wrong fair or otherwise, are not directly of concern to many in this particular movement or at least not as much immediate concern.

Please don't misunderstand that is not a rejection of the BSM or your points advocating it, but as has been said here an effective movement doesn't try to take on too much too soon, and the BSM and its wider concerns may be a bit too much too soon, though I will be stopping over a bit more myself both to offer support and to seek dialogue with ther BSM - you have been warned :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

My recommendation is once our gorup is up that both gorups post hotlinks to one another as well as articles from one another, and come together on a united message as that continues. My guess is both movements will benefit form this and might even grow into a single larger movement over time and themn we can have a huge fight over what we are called :lol: :wink:

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QuartzGooner wrote:As SteveO and others have said, keep it three aims at most. Really simple.

This is my effort, feel free to use it.

Dear Arsenal fans,

Arsene Wenger has brought us great success as manager. He has not only won trophies, but revolutionised the culture of football, and produced teams who played some of the most attractive football the world has seen.

We moved stadium in 2006, and we fans understand that the move resulted in sensible structured debt. Even so, we have not won a trophy since 2005. The squad is close to the title, but every season it gets "So near yet so far". Many fans believe that the purchase of three quality players could take the squad to great football success, without breaking the bank. For successive transfer windows our hopes have been raised high, but never met. It is crushing us as fans, and we have to do something about it.

So we have formed this group with the following aims:

1.) To encourage the manger to bring in two or three quality players who can make us genuinely competitive for the league title.
We can see the club has money in the bank, and we strongly believe it needs to be spent on players.

2.) To encourage the manger to review his coaching structure, especially defence. On too many occasions we have failed to hold onto a lead.

3.) To be a bit harsher when rewarding players with new contracts. If players in their mid twenties are consistently under performing, then consideration should be made to sell them or to introduce a salary of lower wages but higher bonuses, to give the players greater incentive to win.
Would absolutely love it if you could add a complete overhau of the medical staff to that list

current shower are completely unacceptable

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LeoGooner wrote:Great, I'm all for making our voices heard, but lets be careful with the "spend money" message, we know what we will get back (we've seen it enough on this forum) - we will end up bankrupt, like Leeds etc. And defininitely no wenger out message. For me its about:

- not being satisfied with CL qualification
- improving the quality and variety of the squad
- seeing some progress with the old deficiencies we know so well (defence, leadership, setpieces etc)
- justifying the wage bill and the ticket prices

Love the FC not PLC, why don't we use our old cannon logo (its not copyrighted remember!)
Count me in.
Well done, perfectly put. I was worried about the spending money bit but you've put it perfectly.

I agree about possibly adding in a bit about the medical team too but I'm sure the club are looking at that one.

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LeoGooner wrote:Great, I'm all for making our voices heard, but lets be careful with the "spend money" message, we know what we will get back (we've seen it enough on this forum) - we will end up bankrupt, like Leeds etc. And defininitely no wenger out message. For me its about:

- not being satisfied with CL qualification
- improving the quality and variety of the squad
- seeing some progress with the old deficiencies we know so well (defence, leadership, setpieces etc)
- justifying the wage bill and the ticket prices

Love the FC not PLC, why don't we use our old cannon logo (its not copyrighted remember!)
Count me in.
That is the whole reason why we can't just act as though this is all about the manager. If the Board keep saying that we have to use their own information that shows we are sitting on over 100 million pounds now and say if have that much money available how can we be in danger of ending up like Leeds if use some of that? And if in fact we aren't in that danger why do you keep suggesting that?

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I am so confused here........this started off suggesting a real protest either inside or outside the ground and at the car park entrance but now it seems to be about starting a twitter or facegroup informing people of our idea's which is all well and good but is that it ? :? I agree 100% that this protest group needs to be focused on 2 or 3 specific aims but by the same token I look at quartz's suggested piece and for me it just isnt strong enough :o

Many on here will be well aware that I have been advocating some form of public protest for a long long time but some of this seems too nicey nicey for me - will you please spend some of our money ? Pretty please ? These *word censored* have shown so much contempt for the fans and do we really think that asking them nicely is going to get them to change their ways ? I understand why many feel that getting rid of wenger as one of our aims will turn fans away from supporting our group but realistically if wenger and/or the board remains nothing will change

If I missed another part of the plan of action then please clarify it for me cos I am in favour of this movement and am willing to travel over just to be a part of a protest so you can add me to that list of fans that are on board with this movement.

Can I also add that if there is a committee being organised to front this group then I would like to nominate steve o, donaldo and quartz to be on the committee

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augie wrote:I am so confused here........this started off suggesting a real protest either inside or outside the ground and at the car park entrance but now it seems to be about starting a twitter or facegroup informing people of our idea's which is all well and good but is that it ? :? I agree 100% that this protest group needs to be focused on 2 or 3 specific aims but by the same token I look at quartz's suggested piece and for me it just isnt strong enough :o

Many on here will be well aware that I have been advocating some form of public protest for a long long time but some of this seems too nicey nicey for me - will you please spend some of our money ? Pretty please ? These c**ts have shown so much contempt for the fans and do we really think that asking them nicely is going to get them to change their ways ? I understand why many feel that getting rid of wenger as one of our aims will turn fans away from supporting our group but realistically if wenger and/or the board remains nothing will change

If I missed another part of the plan of action then please clarify it for me cos I am in favour of this movement and am willing to travel over just to be a part of a protest so you can add me to that list of fans that are on board with this movement.

Can I also add that if there is a committee being organised to front this group then I would like to nominate steve o and quartz to be on the committee
Here's this Movement's Kwame Ture :wink:

Seriously though I think what you want - at least in part would be coming directly, but the idea in organzing or to make doing so easier and more effective. Setting up these networks will make setting up the protests we plan that much easier really, as we will have access to the people needed to do so.

This also will alow us to interact and perhaps even merge over time with other groups with similar concerns and views which even by through mere interaction increases this movement's size and strength, which only helps.
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