The way to get their attention

[HashKads]

Some really good input from everyone, positive stuff. I think the route that the majority wants to take is that we want to see investment in the squad and answers to why average players are on such lucrative deals. We haven't invested in the squad yet we have the 4th highest wage bill in the PL. We are not going to be about ticket prices, board structure or atmosphere because this is under the remit of well established supporters groups.

I have pasted in Quartz 3 aims which Steve O had good input on although I too think the last sentence regarding property is a no go area for now at least because its going to take a lot to get the 3 aims across at first. But say he goes out in the summer and does spend? If we are strong enough as a group, we may be able to take on other issues.

1.) To encourage the club to visibly invest in quality players, to allow Arsenal to compete for the major club competition trophies domestically and in Europe.

2.) To seek clarity over the club's youth policy, with particular regard to the policy of rewarding young players with long term contracts that have increased the club's annual wage bill yet not resulted in trophies.

3.) To understand the PLC's longer term vision and strategy. As supporters we have clear goals and ambitions, measured by winning trophies. As an organisation involved in various business sectors, but whose principle activity is a football club, we believe that this should also be the clear and measured objective of the PLC.

Loads of people have put input in and said they'll help out etc which is good because I think it will take a lot to get it off the ground. I don't mind heading things up and as previously mentioned a committee should be the way to go which we'll sort when things are agreed upon.

I'm going to find out about the name in the morning but what IU4GN said does make sense, but we’ll just have to change it if needs be. Thanks to Dan for the artwork and 1886 for setting up the facebook page. Hopefully things will get off the ground and it will all pull together. We’ll set up a little pot for things like the website, the banners, flyers etc.

The last point I want to make is; I don’t think we should launch it fully just yet as we are still in the title race and would seem crazy if we were to win it. I think the idea of a protest may be good to do for one of the last home games of the season because it would give us enough time to get the numbers together.

Sorry for the long post but hopefully we can get this on the road and get our Arsenal back.

[USMartin]

I agree Jayson.

I think the real mission is simply to strongly advocate the supporters desire to see more and more intelligent investment in the football club and team. If that advocacy yields immediate and satisfactory reaults than the movement has achieved all its goals straight away.

Where this movement goes from here depends entirely on that. If we get the answers we seek and are confident in and staisfied with those answers our work is done. It's if that is not the case that we need to explore things that much further.

I deally just the notion that we clearly will not be satisfied with the same old answers migght achieve what we hope for and as you said very nicely

"We need answers and won't settle until we've had them".

We just need to make sure we won't settle for the easiest answers especially if they don't ring true. Ideally that is not something we will have to worry about though if we are clear and strong about our concerns and goals. Let me know whatever you need.

[mrgnu1958]

just get rid of"FIVE JUST MEN(players)then...hey-ho we win a trophy

[Gunnersaurus]

Blimey, since when did we become Fat Brown Ale drinking Geordies?????

Protests don't work, they just embaress us further, the only protest that the club will listen to is if you vote with your feet.

The fans got Hodgson the sack but that is because financially Liverpool could not afford to be a mid table side and the fans rammed that message home, we are financially sound and under no pressure to sack anyone so its a different scenario as the board probably on care about one thing.

[Herd]

I have long advocated that those on here should take direct action but still I frankly doubt if any of you will or if you do that it will have much of an effect.

I firmly believe that there are only two groups at Arsenal that could galvanise a mass turnout,red action and a now defunct hooligan group whose name escapes me.

Red action is solidly pro Wenger and the other group gathers mainly for funerals and social gatherings.

All are unhappy this Monday but I've still to be convinced that anti Wengerism is as rife in the outside world as it is on this board.

Anti board demonstrations might garner more populist support but a gaggle of internet malcontents are unlikely to create a ripple on a pond .

[USMartin]

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[USMartin]

Just before I crash my apologies to Herd..I was just taken aback bu the use of that term right now...I should have handled it via PM...I am the last person to judge anyone else's etiqutte. Well maybe not the last but its really not my place. I am sorry, Herd, but hope we'll all consider that point I made movbing forward just the same.

[Herd]

The use of the word doesn't preclude my thoughts for those affected ,they are totally seperate.

I have been to Sendai Airport ,Sendai Port,(Yamanishi Yard) and Matsushima most recently in 2009 .

I personally know people who are missing ,my thoughts and prayers are with them I can assure you !

Il remove it

[AA23Northbank]

Best the mods delete the last few points......

Back on topic, time to bump this further

[LDB]

I would honestly warn you lads against getting this thing rolling at this current moment in time.

Herd is right in that the outside world is not at the same level of anti-wengerism as can be found on this board. Alot of people are teetering on the edge.

You could lose these people for good if you start up a protest now. Regardless of what we all think about our title chances, we are still firmly in a title race at this moment in time. The likely response to starting this now would be that you're rocking the boat at a time when we all need to get behind the team - especially if, as Quartz suggests, the group is focused primarily on footballing matters. Now is not the time to start a group slagging off denilson and diaby.

My advice is to take these ideas and put them on ice until the end of the season. If we are out of it before the last home game you can then start spreading the word initially before laying the proper foundations of a campaign group in pre-season.

If you get the timing of this wrong I can see it being about as effective as the BSM.

[augie]

A few points I would like to raise and clarify -

1. I do not want to take on the board at this point of time. What I do want though is a strongly worded message to say that we the fans will no longer tolerate this practise of non investment of proven quality players (I believe the word proven is crucial here) and the continued use/tolerance of sub standard players remaining at the club at premium wages.

2. Call me paranoid but I cant help feeling, whilst reading the different posts on this thread, that one or two of the members posting are on a wind up or not genuine. Granted this issue, if it gains support and momentum, will be brought into the public domain but we do not need this issue going public until we are ready.

3. I agree 100% that what we currently diluted this protest into will not make the slightest dent in the workings and methods currently in place at the club. You want to rattle some cages then be prepared to do what is necessary to be seen to be firm in your beliefs - protest outside the ground, protest inside the ground, turning your backs to the pitch for 5-10 minutes during the game, face the directors box during a game for 10 minutes chanting about what we feel this club needs (aimed directly at the policy makers as opposed to the players), turn up en masse 10 minutes after the start of the match or late 10 minutes before the end or a sit in at the end of a game. These, in my opinion, show a willingness to do more than just talk plus they will get the protest a more public profile thus more media exposure that might slightly put more pressure on wenger and the board.

As I said already I will support this group in its plans be that in person and/or financially (if a paypal account is set up) cos something needs to change. I firmly believe that there are thousands of like minded fans out there in full agreement with most of what is being said and just waiting for such a plan of action that they can row in behind. Be prepared for a battle with wenger and the board cos lets face it we are questioning each and everyone of them but if we remain strong,be properly organised and stick to our main objectives then we can at least succeed in raising these issues which may in turn alter the club policies and even if it is a slight change initially then at least it would be a move in the right direction

[DB10GOONER]

I hate to piss all over everyone's parade, but protests? Waste of time.

The board are many things, some good, many bad, but one thing they don't give too much of a fuck about is you and me, average Joe Punter.

I would also add that we realists are still in the general minority. Most idiotic AKB fans still support him.

[AA23Northbank]

I hate to piss all over everyone's parade, but protests? Waste of time.

The board are many things, some good, many bad, but one thing they don't give too much of a fuck about is you and me, average Joe Punter.

I would also add that we realists are still in the general minority. Most idiotic AKB fans still support him.

DB10, trust me a lot of Arsenal fans are teetering on the edge in their support of Wenger and the AKB mugs are declining quite quickly. I would, though, partly agree with LDB. Perhaps lay the foundations for a group of protest demanding change, but only take action once we're out of the title race because if we do win the league (need our midfield 3 fit and Vermaelen to come back, so unlikely ) a lot of us, including myself are going to look very stupid.

[marcengels]

I hate to piss all over everyone's parade, but protests? Waste of time.

The board are many things, some good, many bad, but one thing they don't give too much of a fuck about is you and me, average Joe Punter.

I would also add that we realists are still in the general minority. Most idiotic AKB fans still support him.

DB10, trust me a lot of Arsenal fans are teetering on the edge in their support of Wenger and the AKB mugs are declining quite quickly. I would, though, partly agree with LDB. Perhaps lay the foundations for a group of protest demanding change, but only take action once we're out of the title race because if we do win the league (need our midfield 3 fit and Vermaelen to come back, so unlikely ) a lot of us, including myself are going to look very stupid.

You've already laid the groundwork for that bit, AA23.

[SWLGooner]

I used to support AW but over the last 2 months have become increasingly disillusioned.