As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
marcengels wrote:The problem is that if you give Wenger the job, then you should let him get on with it in whatever way he want's to do it. We can criticise along the way, and question, but one can't cherry pick things they like about the guy and what they don't.
If he's not investing properly in the team, in the right kind of players, and producing players who do actually have "mental strength", despite us paying the highest season ticket prices, then one has to question his position completely.
This protest is based upon the fact that Arsene is the right man, if only he would spend money? I would contest that actually many people seem to feel he is no longer the man to take the club on, in many areas, and that you either accept his ways, or look to a replacement.
I think the problem there is that may precisely what some in the club want supporters to believe because as long the current situation is in place then no changes be made because there is no pressure to make tham and what pressure there may be tends to automatically be pawned onto the manager and we don't know for sure just how genuine the scenario you describe is.
You may be 100% correct you may be 50% correct you may be 10% correct. The very same reality applies to those like myslef who believe the Board is primarily to blame here for these policies.
Our goal at the very least is to genuinely clarify this specific issue, but over-riding that is the simple desire that there be a positive shift in the spending policies regardless of who has set them or why, whatever corrective action is required.
marcengels wrote:The problem is that if you give Wenger the job, then you should let him get on with it in whatever way he want's to do it. We can criticise along the way, and question, but one can't cherry pick things they like about the guy and what they don't.
If he's not investing properly in the team, in the right kind of players, and producing players who do actually have "mental strength", despite us paying the highest season ticket prices, then one has to question his position completely.
This protest is based upon the fact that Arsene is the right man, if only he would spend money? I would contest that actually many people seem to feel he is no longer the man to take the club on, in many areas, and that you either accept his ways, or look to a replacement.
I understand the point you're making there mate but my personal opinion is that Wenger has shown in the past he's not afraid to spend a bit of money. Back in the day we signed Wiltord for £13m, Reyes for £10.5m, Thierry Henry for £11m, Walcott for £12m, Pires for £6m, he's clearly not averse to spending a bit of cash so I don't get the deal over the last three-four years.
What the group needs to ask for, and what it appears from the thread is the case, is a bit of clarity as to where exactly this cash is, our cash which we spend on the most expensive seats in the country, and why it hasn't been spent on the glaring deficiencies in the squad.
Whether or not wenger is the man to lead us forward is neither here nor there as long as money is invested in the squad, which clearly it has not been over the last few years for whatever reason.
the underlying/unfortunate problem is that aw began to believe his own hype regarding the youngsters coming through back in 06/07 when the, then, kids were narrowly beaten by a full-strength chelsea. everyone expected that within 2-3 seasons we'd have a young team that surpassed the man.u one that included giggs, beckham, scholes, etc WINNING titles and cups
for various reasons (ie. key injuries, failure to add experienced signing and most of the youngsters just not being good enough) the experiment was clearly failing during 07/08 & 08/09 when the team were tested in key matches at home and the cl.
the up-shot is that aw's left with the rubble that is the failed project after committing to it 101% (to the point there was no plan b in terms of bringing success - that's why he's always resisted buying) and doesn't have the flexibility to convince most he can deliver the promised package that was supposed to be the best team, playing in the best stadium......and debt-free in the, relatively, near future. even if we win the pl it will only paper over the cracks
the continuing lack of honesty/transparency appears to be the main source of frustration and anger across the piste
marcengels wrote:The problem is that if you give Wenger the job, then you should let him get on with it in whatever way he want's to do it. We can criticise along the way, and question, but one can't cherry pick things they like about the guy and what they don't.
If he's not investing properly in the team, in the right kind of players, and producing players who do actually have "mental strength", despite us paying the highest season ticket prices, then one has to question his position completely.
This protest is based upon the fact that Arsene is the right man, if only he would spend money? I would contest that actually many people seem to feel he is no longer the man to take the club on, in many areas, and that you either accept his ways, or look to a replacement.
I understand the point you're making there mate but my personal opinion is that Wenger has shown in the past he's not afraid to spend a bit of money. Back in the day we signed Wiltord for £13m, Reyes for £10.5m, Thierry Henry for £11m, Walcott for £12m, Pires for £6m, he's clearly not averse to spending a bit of cash so I don't get the deal over the last three-four years.
What the group needs to ask for, and what it appears from the thread is the case, is a bit of clarity as to where exactly this cash is, our cash which we spend on the most expensive seats in the country, and why it hasn't been spent on the glaring deficiencies in the squad.
Whether or not wenger is the man to lead us forward is neither here nor there as long as money is invested in the squad, which clearly it has not been over the last few years for whatever reason.
All of the deals you mention were before the stadium move and the new debt structure at the club. I take on board people not wanting to incorporate my point about the club's property interests in my 3 point objectives list. However, I think it's fundamentally linked to the core question I have for Arsenal FC's shareholders and executive management team:
"What is the strategic goal for Arsenal FC ?"
When I read the board minutes and annual reports and accounts it is clear to me that the main (or at least equal) objective has nothing to do with football and everything to do with property development. Trust me there are 1000 "propco's" that I would invest in before Arsenal Holdings.
The investment strategy on the football side has been sacrificied whilst the property portfolio has been developed and realised. Fact. The club chose not to appoint a property outsourcer / developer in managing these affairs which means the resource has to come from within. At best that is a distraction to the club's core ambition to be a successful football club; at worse it is at the expense of (and nothing since 2006 has made me change my opinion).
Agree 100% SteveO. At the very least we need to consider this issue in all of this from then right to now. If for no other reason than if we are allowed to become a "Wenger Out" group and the manager uis sacked and mistake this for our real goal which is chnge in the spending policies regardless we could come to see the club spending no more money than now but under a manager less capable of getting as much out the material at his disposal than the current manager has shown, which would defeat our real purpose completely and utterly.
Arsenal Chief Executive Ivan Gazidis recently told 5 live's Sportsweek: "For us winning is certainly important but it is not the end objective of everything"
Ivan - I'm still waiting for your strategic vision for Arsenal FC matey. Where's the time honoured CE's 100 day plan ? Are we an elite football club, or a football club that sits on the side of a propco ? Please let us know dear boy.....
DB10GOONER wrote:I just saw a junkie bird trying to give her junkie boyfriend a hummer on the LUAS (tram). Put me right off my lunch.
In what way was she unsuccessful?
Well, they looked like they had just got their methadone and she kept slipping off him and giggling. He, romantic bastard that he was, was sucking an ice cream like his life depended on it and kept drooling ice cream/saliva all over the back of her head.
"Hee-yor you! Antho. Stop bleedin' dribbla on me ya big coont!"
"Fook off Katleeeeeen, ya dorty who-er yiz!"
Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis recently told Radio 5 live's Sportsweek: "For us winning is certainly important but it is not the end objective of everything."
Now if this is not enough to get people angry and up for this cause then nothing is.
This statement is a disgrace. Just shows what we have become. Ashamed of the club!!!!!!!!
DB10GOONER wrote:I just saw a junkie bird trying to give her junkie boyfriend a hummer on the LUAS (tram). Put me right off my lunch.
In what way was she unsuccessful?
Well, they looked like they had just got their methadone and she kept slipping off him and giggling. He, romantic bastard that he was, was sucking an ice cream like his life depended on it and kept drooling ice cream/saliva all over the back of her head.
"Hee-yor you! Antho. Stop bleedin' dribbla on me ya big coont!"
"Fook off Katleeeeeen, ya dorty who-er yiz!"
Prime lunch time Dublin entertainment.
Oh and she reckoned he had a "floppy".
I bet ****'y has got his two inches in his hand as we speak!!!
DB10GOONER wrote:I just saw a junkie bird trying to give her junkie boyfriend a hummer on the LUAS (tram). Put me right off my lunch.
In what way was she unsuccessful?
Well, they looked like they had just got their methadone and she kept slipping off him and giggling. He, romantic bastard that he was, was sucking an ice cream like his life depended on it and kept drooling ice cream/saliva all over the back of her head.
"Hee-yor you! Antho. Stop bleedin' dribbla on me ya big coont!"
"Fook off Katleeeeeen, ya dorty who-er yiz!"
Prime lunch time Dublin entertainment.
Oh and she reckoned he had a "floppy".
I bet ****'y has got his two inches in his hand as we speak!!!
