Arsenal FC, not PLC

[mikeyb772001]

Been reading loads about this and taken on board everyone’s thoughts both and cons and pro

I agree this cant be a wenger witch hunt. We cant question his tactics or contracts that are already set as some wont like it

We need to focus only on what all will agree with , to attract more members.


Where is the money going, why no investment?????
Why do we pay the highest ticket prices in the world

We don’t need to go in anymore detail about tactics, players contracts or anything else that’s going to alienate us with AKB’s

If we don’t win the league and lose out to defensive errors and mistakes by shit players, many fans will want to know more about us.


The group should represent fans that have had enough with the lack of investment and the sky high ticket prices. This alone will be enough I think.

If we include anything else I think it will scare off some of the loyal wenger fans.

This way it doesn’t hurt the team, if anything the team are going to support it. As would the media people like Paul Merson, Ian wright – who have been talking about these 2 same matters the last 2 seasons.

[flash gunner]

Can someone make me a banner 'Arsenal FC not Arsene FC'

[marcengels]

Can someone make me a banner 'Arsenal FC not Arsene FC'

*word censored*

oops, wrong question

[LDB]

[quote="Its Up 4 Grabs Now"]Apologies in advance for the stupidly long post , but there’s still quite a few things I’m unsure of re this whole thing…

It’s apparently not an anti-Wenger protest, but it’s clearly about a fundamental aspect of Wenger’s management. So if Wenger doesn’t spend the money in the way the protest wishes, what then? Wenger out? How can it be a case of essentially telling Wenger “do what we’re asking or we’ll (attempt to) make your position untenableâ€

[marcengels]

That's it marc, open wide!

yes, i would rather suck cock than read that post.

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

That's it marc, open wide!

yes, i would rather suck cock than read that post.

Ouch! Mind the teeth marc.

Fair point though.

[mikeyb772001]

This group will not be a Wenger witch hunt. We will keep it basic and simple. No matter who you are we all agree that team needs investment.
If we cant have it, let us know why. No more lies or storys, set us straight.

Been reading loads about this and taken on board everyone’s thoughts both and cons and pro

I agree this cant be a wenger witch hunt. We cant question his tactics or contracts that are already set as some wont like it

We need to focus only on what all will agree with , to attract more members.


Where is the money going, why no investment?????
Why do we pay the highest ticket prices in the world

We don’t need to go in anymore detail about tactics, players contracts or anything else that’s going to alienate us with AKB’s

If we don’t win the league and lose out to defensive errors and mistakes by shit players, many fans will want to know more about us.


The group should represent fans that have had enough with the lack of investment and the sky high ticket prices. This alone will be enough I think.

If we include anything else I think it will scare off some of the loyal wenger fans.

This way it doesn’t hurt the team, if anything the team are going to support it. As would the media people like Paul Merson, Ian wright – who have been talking about these 2 same matters the last 2 seasons.

[USMartin]

IU4GN you raise some fair points...but no movement unless it is a movement of one has unanimity on any aspect of the goals it pursues, and there will be moments where that reveals itself as it always has in movements of this nature. And we will work our way through it because we all share the same main goal - what is best for Arsenal Football Club.

There is one specific point you refer to that we simply must address specifcally and that is the bottom-weighted wage structure, because it does in fact undermine any ability or desire to invest more in the football team. You pint out that Three Laureny Koscielnys would cost about 30 million pounds. Now I am guesssing here but it almost certain that he is about 60K a week maybe 50K a week.

The point Andriy Arshavin who cost 15 million is on 90K a week. This shows that with a more merit-based wage structure like we used to have form 1998-2005 we would be able to bring in three Andriy Arshavins in terms of experienmce qulaity and development. Now we can all debate how Arshavin's career has gone after that first hal-season but there is no debating that a player like an Andiry Arshavin is better equipped to help short-term and most instances long-term as well (depending on their age when bought).

So for an extra 15 million pounds we could have three players of a significantly higher quality and development level at Arsenal for at least three years. But when you consider that we will likely sell Cesc next year for 30 million or better that is already more than paid for then, and we need only spend 30 million of our 85 million banked away to cover the rest.

But that is only possible if the wage structure issue is addressed, otherwise its three more Laurent Koscielnys or maybe three more Marouane Chamakhs and whilsl I like both players are three more of them really what we need now?

[marcengels]

I do agree with the jist of your post IU, having made the same basic point more briefly earlier in the thread .

[Arsenal 1991]

I agree with Mike.

2 simple questions/statements.

We pay the highest ticket prices in the world, we have a right to expect that the money will be reinvested in the team. Im sure Quartz or Steveo can put it into better words than that.

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

I understand your concerns but you're overcomplicating it too much. Its a simple message.

Probably, & tbh I cant be arsed rehashing what I was trying to say to explain it any better so I should probably just quit while I’m behind , even though it still all seems a bit halfway-house at the moment. Maybe just cos nothing's finalised yet.

[Gunnersaurus]

I agree with Mike.

2 simple questions/statements.

We pay the highest ticket prices in the world, we have a right to expect that the money will be reinvested in the team. Im sure Quartz or Steveo can put it into better words than that.

No you don't, we pay the highest ticket prices, for that we expect to see a game of football, there are no strings attached to paying for a ticket.

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

I do agree with the jist of your post IU, having made the same basic point more briefly earlier in the thread .

I'm just not as fluent with my tongue as you I guess, marc.

[marcengels]

I do agree with the jist of your post IU, having made the same basic point more briefly earlier in the thread .

I'm just not as fluent with my tongue as you I guess, marc.

although i dont tap the keys with my tongue, i can give head, and debate the under investment at Arsenal simultaenously.

[USMartin]

It is an anti-Wenger movement to an extent for the reasons you say, it cant be credible and claim otherwise imo. BUT its not a Wenger out movement, theres the distinction. Its as much about putting pressure on Wenger as it is on the boardroom.

The only things I disagree with here is labelling the movement Anti--Wenger. By the same token it would be wrong to label it as Anti-Board. It is ANTI-the Current policies if it is Anti-anything really. You are absolutely correct instating our goal is to place pressure on all decision makers in the club with regard to these issues

We dont expect to sit down with the club and demand who they should sign. Unless I've misunderstood, the campaign isnt about demanding outcomes, its about demanding action. Its about demanding that the club and the manager start being proactive in addressing some of the glaring flaws in the playing side of the club. But really the best message we can hope for is that the fans are no longer going to sit down & shut up.

I understand your concerns but you're overcomplicating it too much. Its a simple message.

Very well said - demanding outcomes is only setting us up for failure. Demanding reasonable action by all parties in charge of the Club and/or its policies or the ones of immedaite concern to us is a reasonable and attainable goal. Easily attainable may be another story but I remain convinced as I have been all along that it is attainable if we unite and show our resolve to stand up for the club we have invested our hearts and souls in.