STEP FORWARD MR LEHMAN.

[Captain Fabregas]

Jens looked fucking old and slow 3 years ago when he left, Wenger is really taking the piss bringing him back, Campbell last season, Lehmann this season - who will it be next season Kanu

kanu is 28.

huh? he's like 34 now.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010 ... ld-problem

[Number 5]

I really want to nail this "he's a good shot-stopper" myth.

He really isnt. Average at best, as shot stopping standard goes I'd have him in the championship.

Two points with the first goal today:

- Lehmann would have cleared it
- Shezzney would have saved it

Alot of the time Almunia reacts too late but because the other elements to his game are even more dire people mark his shot-stopping as "good".

shit shit shit shit

I don't know why it's always you and me.

Maybe its they way we tell em but I'm here tonight to piss on your myth flames.

- Lehmann would have cleared it.

No, no he wouldn't, No goalkeeper comes all the way through to get an outswinging, left footed corner past the penalty spot. No one.

Seaman.

Jennings.

Banks.

My 9 year old son.

- Shezzney would have saved it.

No words, just

and one more

[Barriecuda]

Regardless of "shot-stopping ability", Lehmann has qualities that, by 30+, you really can't teach:

-better decision making, better control of his area, more vocal and confident with his defenders

Maybe he shot-stops at a "Championship level" as one poster said, but at least he'd give our defenders some confidence. We can get more out of our players with good leadership at the back.

And frankly, even if we lose the season, I'd rather see Jens during the run in than that fucking dopey, mopey, just-rolled-out-of-bed looking moron Almunia.

[DB10GOONER]

Lehmann at his peak (04-05) was prone to exactly that sort of error - the headless chicken charging 25-30 yards out of goal unnecessarily. Remember against the chavs in 05 CL? His stupid push on Keane at WHL in 04? Sending off in CL final 06? The ridiculous throwing of the ball into his own net against Blackburn? The list goes on.

It's like any keeper we buy or train-in just develops this really bad decision making.

Almunia had no reason to come charging out like that on Saturday the fucking idiot. Unfortunately I wasn't even vaguely surprised.

[flash gunner]

I always liked Lehmann and he saved us more points than he ever cost us, all that said he was past his best when we sold him and having been retired for 6 months this has to be one of the worst Wenger decisions ever. He should NOT play but neither should hapless Al :awnker:

Stick Shea in goal

[augie]

Lehmann at his peak (04-05) was prone to exactly that sort of error - the headless chicken charging 25-30 yards out of goal unnecessarily. Remember against the chavs in 05 CL? His stupid push on Keane at WHL in 04? Sending off in CL final 06? The ridiculous throwing of the ball into his own net against Blackburn? The list goes on.

It's like any keeper we buy or train-in just develops this really bad decision making.

Almunia had no reason to come charging out like that on Saturday the fucking idiot. Unfortunately I wasn't even vaguely surprised.

So our midget mod, stick your head on the block and say who you feel should start in goals for the rest of the season - no point talking about wenger coulda/shoulda cos as per normal he didnt and we all know jens and below average al are prone to fcuk ups but which would you pick or would you put shea in goals and to hell with both of the others ?

[DB10GOONER]

Lehmann at his peak (04-05) was prone to exactly that sort of error - the headless chicken charging 25-30 yards out of goal unnecessarily. Remember against the chavs in 05 CL? His stupid push on Keane at WHL in 04? Sending off in CL final 06? The ridiculous throwing of the ball into his own net against Blackburn? The list goes on.

It's like any keeper we buy or train-in just develops this really bad decision making.

Almunia had no reason to come charging out like that on Saturday the fucking idiot. Unfortunately I wasn't even vaguely surprised.

So our midget mod, stick your head on the block and say who you feel should start in goals for the rest of the season - no point talking about wenger coulda/shoulda cos as per normal he didnt and we all know jens and below average al are prone to fcuk ups but which would you pick or would you put shea in goals and to hell with both of the others ?

Well baldy dwarf, I will answer your question. I would deffo drop/sell/donate to medical science Almunia. I would take the chance on Shea (simply cannot be worse than Coco) and have Lehmann on the bench as a last resort back up.

But in fairness the coulda/shoulda is the whole point here isn't it? I simply refuse to believe we couldn't have picked up a young 2nd choice GK from a smaller club. Lehmann had some great games in his day no doubt but those days are long gone.

Having said that (and I know it's a paradox) I wouldn't be comfortable starting Jens as he hasn't played top level footy in about 200 years or so.

[LDB]

I really want to nail this "he's a good shot-stopper" myth.

He really isnt. Average at best, as shot stopping standard goes I'd have him in the championship.

Two points with the first goal today:

- Lehmann would have cleared it
- Shezzney would have saved it

Alot of the time Almunia reacts too late but because the other elements to his game are even more dire people mark his shot-stopping as "good".

shit shit shit shit

I don't know why it's always you and me.

Maybe its they way we tell em but I'm here tonight to piss on your myth flames.

- Lehmann would have cleared it.

No, no he wouldn't, No goalkeeper comes all the way through to get an outswinging, left footed corner past the penalty spot. No one.

Seaman.

Jennings.

Banks.

My 9 year old son.

- Shezzney would have saved it.

No words, just

and one more

Ok I'll maybe concede the clearing it one, I still think he could have made more of an effort to save it though. Its not like its beyond top flight goalkeepers to at least get a hand on stuff like that.

Regardless you didn't piss on my myth busting antics because you gave nothing to suggest that Almunia is a "good shot-stopper". Which he isnt. He is shit. Its those saves that nobody blames a keeper for not making but a proper top-4 keeper probably would have made which almunia almost always fails on.

[bookproject]

I am really sick of people claiming Lehmann is past it even though they have barely seen a handful of Stuttgart games, if at all, in the past three years. He had a dreadful defense in front of him and still managed to keep the most clean sheets in year one, he didn't concede too many goals, he was solid, cost maybe two points in two years and made the odd two or three crazy mistakes per season, like any goalkeeper does. His organisation of the defense (which pretty much broke apart in the first half od this season with the new goalie between the sticks), decision making, anticipation etc. is still miles better than Almunia's and saves far more points than what one error per ten games cost.
So putting a 17 year old with zero PL experience ahead of one of the most experienced goalkeepers of the world who was still a perfectly capable goalkeeper nine months ago? Bring it on.

[goonersid]

I doubt whether Jens would be able to do a sufficient job in the remaining games, and would probably end up doing something really stupid.
That however is not intended as a criticism of Jens.
Wenger can point to bad luck in having so many injured keepers, that however is not the problem. The problem is Almunia, he should simlpy not be at the the club, then he would never need to be called upon.
Even at 3rd choice he is the worst 3rd choice keeper in the league, if not the entire football league.
I also think bringing in Jens for cover was a disastrous piece of management by Wenger. Almunia is a nervous wreck who can't handle pressure at the best of times, so bringing his old nemesis back, can only have added to any pressure he was already under.
Surely viable cover could have been brought in from within the prem league or championship. We have enough players on loan at other clubs to have been able to negotiate a deal with one of them.

[DB10GOONER]

I am really sick of people claiming Lehmann is past it even though they have barely seen a handful of Stuttgart games, if at all, in the past three years. He had a dreadful defense in front of him and still managed to keep the most clean sheets in year one, he didn't concede too many goals, he was solid, cost maybe two points in two years and made the odd two or three crazy mistakes per season, like any goalkeeper does. His organisation of the defense (which pretty much broke apart in the first half od this season with the new goalie between the sticks), decision making, anticipation etc. is still miles better than Almunia's and saves far more points than what one error per ten games cost.
So putting a 17 year old with zero PL experience ahead of one of the most experienced goalkeepers of the world who was still a perfectly capable goalkeeper nine months ago? Bring it on.

Jesus Christ. 23 posts. And every fucking one of them about Lehmann.

We get it! You German. He German. You likey likey! Post about something else, you are boring the hole off me (steady Jayson... steady )!!

[bookproject]

I am really sick of people claiming Lehmann is past it even though they have barely seen a handful of Stuttgart games, if at all, in the past three years. He had a dreadful defense in front of him and still managed to keep the most clean sheets in year one, he didn't concede too many goals, he was solid, cost maybe two points in two years and made the odd two or three crazy mistakes per season, like any goalkeeper does. His organisation of the defense (which pretty much broke apart in the first half od this season with the new goalie between the sticks), decision making, anticipation etc. is still miles better than Almunia's and saves far more points than what one error per ten games cost.
So putting a 17 year old with zero PL experience ahead of one of the most experienced goalkeepers of the world who was still a perfectly capable goalkeeper nine months ago? Bring it on.

Jesus Christ. 23 posts. And every fucking one of them about Lehmann.

We get it! You German. He German. You likey likey! Post about something else, you are boring the hole off me (steady Jayson... steady )!!

Thanks for admitting you are one of those who have not seen more than a handful of his games in the last three years and still thinks he can judge whether Lehmann was past it or not. Yeah, it's really boring when someone knows the facts instead of just claiming to know things he obviously doesn't have a clue about.

Btw, you are not a master of admitting your mistakes, are you? No reaction on your little Uefa Awards are voted by fans (and all of them are German anyway) blunder and still no explanation of as to why you think you are entitled to judge Lehmann even though you have barely seen him play in the past three years. Instead you get insulting when cornered.

[DB10GOONER]

I am really sick of people claiming Lehmann is past it even though they have barely seen a handful of Stuttgart games, if at all, in the past three years. He had a dreadful defense in front of him and still managed to keep the most clean sheets in year one, he didn't concede too many goals, he was solid, cost maybe two points in two years and made the odd two or three crazy mistakes per season, like any goalkeeper does. His organisation of the defense (which pretty much broke apart in the first half od this season with the new goalie between the sticks), decision making, anticipation etc. is still miles better than Almunia's and saves far more points than what one error per ten games cost.
So putting a 17 year old with zero PL experience ahead of one of the most experienced goalkeepers of the world who was still a perfectly capable goalkeeper nine months ago? Bring it on.

Jesus Christ. 23 posts. And every fucking one of them about Lehmann.

We get it! You German. He German. You likey likey! Post about something else, you are boring the hole off me (steady Jayson... steady )!!

Thanks for admitting you are one of those who have not seen more than a handful of his games in the last three years and still thinks he can judge whether Lehmann was past it or not. Yeah, it's really boring when someone knows the facts instead of just claiming to know things he obviously doesn't have a clue about.

Put your knickers back on there, Einstein. I'm starting to suspect you might be a troll...

The facts are he is past his best. He is and always was error prone. He has a bad decision making process. He is not match fit. He cost us the chav 05 CL quarter final. He (along with TH bottling it) cost us the 06 CL final.

The fact he is German and you are either in love with him or his son does not change any of the facts I have stated.

[bookproject]

The fact is that he was part of the Invincibles, won Arsenal the undeserved FA cup, brought Arsenal into the CL final they would have never been to in the first place being the ultimate international bottlers they are, was awarded Europe's best goalkeeper and second place in best goalkeeper of the world in 2006, managed two clean sheet records in that year in the Cl and with one of the best national teams of the world and did a perfectly fine job in Stuttgart. Fact is that you still have a sore bum because of a final Arsenal would not have played without Lehmann in the first place and fact is also that you again admit that you are not entitled to judge Lehmann's performances of the last three years.
And fact is also that Lehmann always could afford errors because his qualities meant trophies, few goals conceded, a solid defense and lots of clean sheets for the teams he played for.

You could use some work on your discussion skills and I say this as a non native speaker. I also remember how some users here started to make fun of you and your Jens cost us the final-whining so I doubt you should speak for the whole board.

Lets face it, is it not unlikely Lehmann will be Arsenals goalkeeper for the rest of the season. Deal with it. Are you going to complain should he do well?

[DB10GOONER]

The fact is that he was part of the Invincibles, won Arsenal the undeserved FA cup, brought Arsenal into the CL final they would have never been to in the first place being the ultimate international bottlers they are, was awarded Europe's best goalkeeper and second place in best goalkeeper of the world in 2006, managed two clean sheet records in that year in the Cl and with one of the best national teams of the world and did a perfectly fine job in Stuttgart. Fact is that you still have a sore bum because of a final Arsenal would not have played without Lehmann in the first place and fact is also that you again admit that you are not entitled to judge Lehmann's performances of the last three years.
And fact is also that Lehmann always could afford errors because his qualities meant trophies, few goals conceded, a solid defense and lots of clean sheets for the teams he played for.

You could use some work on your discussion skills and I say this as a non native speaker. I also remember how some users here started to make fun of you and your Jens cost us the final-whining so I doubt you should speak for the whole board.

Lets face it, is it not unlikely Lehmann will be Arsenals goalkeeper for the rest of the season. Deal with it. Are you going to complain should he do well?

ooh - touched a nerve there huh?

My discussion skills? I wasn't going to take the piss out of you because you are obviously not someone that either writes in or speaks in English as a first language but deary me - pot, kettle and black!

You could use some work on your blinkered narrow view of what Lehmann is and was. You are singularly moronic in even suggesting he got us to the CL final all by himself. That is just ridiculous, embarrassingly so. He played a part certainly, but no more than any other player in that team. In fact you insult that team with such a stupid statement.

Are you going to come over and stay with dad now he's back in London?

Are you an Arsenal fan or just a Lehmann fan? Strange you just "appeared" on this forum after the Lehmann thing was first mentioned...