As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
USMartin wrote:I'll include what ever comment I wish. I couldn't include what you said because I didn't say anything like that. I simply said we helped save you and helped you beat Hitler.
As courageous and brave as every British soldier was in World War Two I don't think England could have held off Hitler indefinitely on its own. That is not some condemnation of the character or courage of nation of England or the English - or Scottish or Northern Irish or Welsh Soldier - just a statement of likely reality
My point is people like you show not a jot of gratitude or appreciation for that, or the fact that we stayed and helped defend Western Europe against overwhelming Communist Bloc forces.
I never insulted the English solder at all. I said without U. S. Help England likely would have fallen in World War two. You went out of your way to insult the American soldier. I think you should make a point of walking up to next American Soldier you see and tell them what you posted here and stick around long enough to see what they think.
Jesus Christ Martin your history's a little hazy don't you think??? Germany could not invade our shores until it gained air superiority, which it tried to do in one of the most pivotal engagements in the history of warfare namely the Battle of Britain, when the Luftwaffe outnumbered the RAF by 4-1 yet due to numerous decisive factors they lost, forcing Hitler to abandon operation Sealion!
This all kicked off a full 18 months before yous even got involved in WW2 and even then that was because your territory was attacked at Pearl, whereas we entered the war to help others, even tho Hitler had tried to make peace with us earlier in the year, the fact that we were crucially able to defend our own island was critical as it of course provided the land base from which to launch the offensive to take back Europe on D Day in June 44!
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Sorry but you aren't pawning this off on me. This was Duffman showing his racist anti-Americanism. Multiple forum members challanged him on this.
As to my hazy history...not really. The brave men and women of all ages military or civilian who endured the Battle of Britain achieved a remarkable victory but let's be realistic - all they did was delay an invasion that would have come inevitably if not for Hitler foolishly turning on his ally and invading Russia, and had it not been for the U. S. entering the war, than there is every possibility that invasion would have occurred and if it had not it would have only been because England would have been forced into suing for peace of some sort.
That is not a criticism of England the English Government Military or People. It is the likely reality England would have faced from 1942 or 1943 if America had not entered the war. My point was xenophobes like Duffman weren't so xeniophobic when they needed American military assistance and never are. I never meant to denigrate anyone who endured the horror of World War two, simply to point out how hypocritical Duffman is.
Sorry but you aren't pawning this off on me. This was Duffman showing his racist anti-Americanism. Multiple forum members challanged him on this.
As to my hazy history...not really. The brave men and women of all ages military or civilian who endured the Battle of Britain achieved a remarkable victory but let's be realistic - all they did was delay an invasion that would have come inevitably if not for Hitler foolishly turning on his ally and invading Russia, and had it not been for the U. S. entering the war, than there is every possibility that invasion would have occurred and if it had not it would have only been because England would have been forced into suing for peace of some sort.
That is not a criticism of England the English Government Military or People. It is the likely reality England would have faced from 1942 or 1943 if America had not entered the war. My point was xenophobes like Duffman weren't so xeniophobic when they needed American military assistance and never are. I never meant to denigrate anyone who endured the horror of World War two, simply to point out how hypocritical Duffman is.
I don't want to get in between your fight, but I'm afraid the historic facts are indeed wrong. USA did set free half of Europe, the other half was from the Soviet Union. It was the premise of the cold war. Both USA and USSR wanted to get rid of the Nazi's because the started to feel threatened. Japan was also joining the axis side, so the threat became even greater. Ultimately it was a case where Democarcy (=Capitalism) allied with Communism to face totalitarism. Hitler wasn't helped as well by his lad Mussolini who was having a "torrid" time in northern Africa and in SOuth of France with the French resistance, thus needing the sending of German troops and supplies. His debacle in Stalingrad (or Leningrad?) also set doubts amonngst his troops as his famous "blitzkrieg" just lost to a couple of soviet soldiers. The English Royal Navy who was one of the most powerfull naval army in Europe was also giving a hard time to the german assault's.
Anyway, awfull argument to use Martin, USA sent soldiers in Europe because we share the same ideal of democracy and allied to defend our ideals. Yes we European owe you Americans, but no Martin no one on this forum owes you anything... Unless you have some Omaha beach memories you'd like to share.
No one here owes me or as far as I am concerned America a damned thing - just save the hypocritical xenophobia for a hypocritical xenophobia forum.
As for the history of course the Soviet Union helped save Europe from Nazism. America alone could not have defeated both Germany and Japan. If we were protected on either side by thousands of miles of oceans we might not have lasted to 1943 ourselves. Russia and England helped saved the world then too as did many other nations or future nations or now forgotten antions
Just not gonna take that racist chest-puffing quietly
As I said this is your fight and I'm not getting into it. I just felt the need to correct this particular piece of your argument as I was a bit shocked by some of your comments and the way you brought them up.
We all have our ego, and I can totally understand that some of us have arguments, but I'm not sure bringing WW2 in an argument on Arsenal team news is really necessary.
FrenchGun wrote:As I said this is your fight and I'm not getting into it. I just felt the need to correct this particular piece of your argument as I was a bit shocked by some of your comments and the way you brought them up.
We all have our ego, and I can totally understand that some of us have arguments, but I'm not sure bringing WW2 in an argument on Arsenal team news is really necessary.
That's just it - no one was fighting World War two...my point was you didn't have a problem with us turning up then then...or ever since to keep the Russians at bay...don't complain about us enjoying football.
