As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
I just got in from work and saw this on the BBC,,,,,
I guess only time will tell whether this is a good thing or a bad thing...
One things for sure at least Wenger can no longer make any excuses about not having the money to buy players - IF he stays that is ....If he does and is given funds to splash out on top players, that coupled with the style of football we play...we stand every chance of sweeping all before us and winning All Trophies!
I wonder if this is part of the deal why ther board are increasing ticket prices???
Curious as to where Kronke takeover means the return of Dein comes from. Always assumed the appointment of US soccer man Gazidis came from Kronke so would stay CEO
Dein was the one who wanted Kroenke in from the get go. This seemed to be as Dein saw that Arsenal needed a big investment in the team to sustain a challenge at the top of the league. The deal with Kroenke was the main factor in the board ousting Dein. Kroenke, being shrewd, moved away from Dein and went about forging relations with the Arsenal board.
Dein went with Usmanov as he wants someone to take over the club with him involved. If Kroenke were to purchase Arsenal, and he and Dein had good relations, Kroenke would surely look to someone like Dein to take over the everyday running of the club. It would suit Arsene Wenger.
Gazidas may well have been sugegsted by Kroenke, but only due to the fact that he knew he couldn't have Dein there
USMartin wrote:I don't know how accurate that information you cite is given how political the justice system in Russia is, but I will say this even if all that is true it speaks to the obvious failure of the Board to be honest with supporters about its policies or the motives behind them or to do what actually needs to be done to improve the team the needed level.
I guess we would be willing to overlook Mr. Usmanov's alleged failings if we weren't in this position now....
I despise the fact that cos one exiled cival servant labelled usmanov a crook the whole world believes it
I also despise the notion that cos the glaziers and hicks/gilette debt leveraged their takeovers then every other yank takeover will be the same
Fact is that we are currently run by a board that the majority never even invested 1 penny in our club. This bullshit comment at the start of this thread about showing gratitude to the wanker that is phw defies belief and smacks of a wind up
In my opinion we need new and fresh direction from tip to toe in the club. We seem to have lost the motivation and ambition required to be winners again and we need a new owner to shake the staff working beneath him and a new manager to shake up the playing staff. Whether that is with kroenke or usmanov I dont know although if I am honest my preference would be usmanov
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Curious as to where Kronke takeover means the return of Dein comes from. Always assumed the appointment of US soccer man Gazidis came from Kronke so would stay CEO
Dein was the one who wanted Kroenke in from the get go. This seemed to be as Dein saw that Arsenal needed a big investment in the team to sustain a challenge at the top of the league. The deal with Kroenke was the main factor in the board ousting Dein. Kroenke, being shrewd, moved away from Dein and went about forging relations with the Arsenal board.
Dein went with Usmanov as he wants someone to take over the club with him involved. If Kroenke were to purchase Arsenal, and he and Dein had good relations, Kroenke would surely look to someone like Dein to take over the everyday running of the club. It would suit Arsene Wenger.
Gazidas may well have been sugegsted by Kroenke, but only due to the fact that he knew he couldn't have Dein there
But that's my point, time has moved on. Do they have any contact now? Wouldnt the appointment of Gazidis & the involvement of Dein with Usmanov surely infer they no longer have a future? I'd like to see it happen but surely that ship has sailed.
Curious as to where Kronke takeover means the return of Dein comes from. Always assumed the appointment of US soccer man Gazidis came from Kronke so would stay CEO
Dein was the one who wanted Kroenke in from the get go. This seemed to be as Dein saw that Arsenal needed a big investment in the team to sustain a challenge at the top of the league. The deal with Kroenke was the main factor in the board ousting Dein. Kroenke, being shrewd, moved away from Dein and went about forging relations with the Arsenal board.
Dein went with Usmanov as he wants someone to take over the club with him involved. If Kroenke were to purchase Arsenal, and he and Dein had good relations, Kroenke would surely look to someone like Dein to take over the everyday running of the club. It would suit Arsene Wenger.
Gazidas may well have been sugegsted by Kroenke, but only due to the fact that he knew he couldn't have Dein there
But that's my point, time has moved on. Do they have any contact now? Wouldnt the appointment of Gazidis & the involvement of Dein with Usmanov surely infer they no longer have a future? I'd like to see it happen but surely that ship has sailed.
Maybe kroenke cut ties with DD cos he know that if he didnt do so he would never see the inside of the Arsenal boardroom ? More speculation I know but I guess most of us are thinking that stan would need somebody to run the club and I just cannot see ivan filling that role
Is there any possibility that usmanov and kroenke are working together ? I know that is a left field suggestion but DD brought both into the club and I have wondered for some time if there is more to that link than meets the eye
Curious as to where Kronke takeover means the return of Dein comes from. Always assumed the appointment of US soccer man Gazidis came from Kronke so would stay CEO
Dein was the one who wanted Kroenke in from the get go. This seemed to be as Dein saw that Arsenal needed a big investment in the team to sustain a challenge at the top of the league. The deal with Kroenke was the main factor in the board ousting Dein. Kroenke, being shrewd, moved away from Dein and went about forging relations with the Arsenal board.
Dein went with Usmanov as he wants someone to take over the club with him involved. If Kroenke were to purchase Arsenal, and he and Dein had good relations, Kroenke would surely look to someone like Dein to take over the everyday running of the club. It would suit Arsene Wenger.
Gazidas may well have been sugegsted by Kroenke, but only due to the fact that he knew he couldn't have Dein there
But that's my point, time has moved on. Do they have any contact now? Wouldnt the appointment of Gazidis & the involvement of Dein with Usmanov surely infer they no longer have a future? I'd like to see it happen but surely that ship has sailed.
I think what is every bit as noteworthy here is that Arsene Wenger still has regular contact with Mr. Dein and is still firends with him.
But its all moot iif we are talking about debt leverage in this at all.
I'd like to investigate Kroenke further, but I for now it's worth pointing out his results with his recent project, the Colorado Rapids of the MLS.
He bought them in 2004. His new head exec rebranded the club with new colors to bring them closer to the typical burgundy's of Colrado's teams. He gave them a new badge (improvement) in 2006. KSE also built a brand new football stadium exclusively for the Rapids.
Kroenke Sport Enterprises replaced the long-time GM upon their buying of the team, and since has only had two head coaches along with that one same GM. Their head coach since 2008 was a scout for Arsenal before taking up the reigns.
Success wise, the team has finished with near .500 records every season except 2010, when they won the MLS for the first time.
One worthwhile notable is that "the Rapids are one of four MLS clubs (not counting expansion clubs for the 2010 season) not to have sponsorships on the front of their jerseys."
So overall, I'd conclude that he has a good relationship with the fans and isn't overly hands-on, at least in this particular case.
Also if you want to bring up his NFL and NHL interests, he was only 40% owner of the Rams until 2010, when he took full ownership. Their shitty results lately are a result of having one of the best teams in the league from 2000-2005. Similar story with the Avalanche - they're in a rebuilding period after having some really strong years.
1989 wrote:The guy has a fantastic record when it comes to sport teams both the playing ANDthe financial side. Not to mention he's spent over 4 years at the club so must have an idea of what Arsenal is all about. Change is good and we've been crying out for it, so lets embrace it. Bit of positivity won't harm.
So a person who supports Arsenal FC not PLc comes out with a ridiculous statement like the above ??? what a fucking moron u are !
U havent got a scooby have u ?
We are doomed ,the debt leveraged apocalypse is upon us and i blame hillwood dein and fizeman in that sepcific order cos it is they that have led us here .
REBEL GOONER wrote:there is a lot more to come out in the way of how the shares are going to be bought,
usmanov can also make a counter offer and we dont know what games the present board are playing,
i dont know if this is a good thing or bad but one thing is for sure if he puts the debt onto the club he will not be a popular man for long.
Agree.
Nothing is certain.
Have heard Bracewell-Smith and Usmanov do not get on.
There are few things I give less of a fuck about than the Colorado Rapids, NFL & NHL yet here we are having to discuss them & look at how they're run in order to try to guess what the future of our club will be like.
The key thing is he doesnt have to sell his NHL and NBA teams just give up his majority stake in them by 2014. SOme quotes from Stan that ive found:
"I know there's this wonderful little picture of Silent Stan. I guess it makes good copy. But it just isn't so."
"I like to know what's going on; I like to be involved. But the No. 1 thing is finding the right people, putting them in place and trying to help them out."
"I live to be competitive. To be competitive, you have to have revenue. We're going to work really hard to have a model that produces revenue where we can be consistently competitive. Anyone can be a contender in the pro sports business every so often. The real challenge is to be competitive every year."
