Mourinho

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

IMO Mourinho's biggest asset is his connexion with his players. I think he could even motivate Diaby and Denilson to run and track back for 90min!

Also you can see that any player that has played under Mou has a special connexion with him.

Augie, I see were you're going as I think that I too wouldn't want Mourinho to be our next manager. Too much hype around him, a big ego, and Arsene FC would become Mourinho FC. I just want Arsenal FC back...

However Augie, I'm almost certain that Mourinho is no fluke!

On a side note, I think I heard the other day, when Madrid got beaten at barrnabeu, that is was the first time since Mourinho manage Porto that his team got beaten at home? Anyone can confirm?

Yeah thats true. Real lost to Sporting Gijon and it was the first time a Mourinho team had lost a home game for 152 matches

Wow...

Can you imagine the Emirates being a fortress like this? One can only dream...

It was his first defeat as a home manager in 9 years, not bad.

Link below with all the stats etc:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... id-la-liga

[FrenchGun]

I think we need to face another fact, in that very soon Mourinho will once again be in direct competition with us either at United or City/Chelsea.

Would you rather take him or let him go to them?

Hard one really, think I would prefer a British manager like Moyes or Coyle being given a shot at the big time, than a quick job like Mourinho.

I'd rather let him go. Yes Mou is a good manager who gets results, but hell would it be boring to watch us "park the bus" as Mou seems to love.

Mou doesn't have our football philosophy, neither on nor off the pitch...

[flash gunner]

I think we need to face another fact, in that very soon Mourinho will once again be in direct competition with us either at United or City/Chelsea.

Would you rather take him or let him go to them?

Hard one really, think I would prefer a British manager like Moyes or Coyle being given a shot at the big time, than a quick job like Mourinho.

I'd rather let him go. Yes Mou is a good manager who gets results, but hell would it be boring to watch us "park the bus" as Mou seems to love.

You didnt see the Cup Winners Cup final of 1994 did you? I celbrated as hard that night as any night under Wenger

[rodders999]

Agreed. If it comes down to a choice of pretty football, 900 passes per game and fuck all trophies to show for it or a solid strong defensive side shitting silverware then I know what camp I'm in.

[skipper]

Mourinho is not coming here unless it's just to pick up a paycheck. He will not come to a club that will not give him the financial support he needs unless they just pay him 25 million a year to show up and finish top four.

Whose to say for certain that Mourinho wouldn't fancy the challenge of taking over from a man he's often criticised for having it too easy, just to prove a point? I would imagine that given the above, the wages a top manager would command (which wouldn't be anywhere near £25m), plus £30 - £40m spending and anything else he raises in sales, he would fancy his chances and could well be up for the challenge. He certainly would have the ego for it!!

No but that is what he would want. He would have to have not only somewhere 100 million for transfers but would need a radically new wage structure to get any real quality players to join him, and we know this club has never offered and almost certainly would never offer that to him.

The one thing he might be able to do is get some players to come in for less in wages - players already past their performance peak like Essien, like Drogba, like Carvalho, but unless these players to a man all have Ryan Gihggs-like career spans, what happens when its time to replace them? Either Mourinho walks or gets the sack because he will have to have the new age structure than and it won't happen I don't think.

How do you know that with any certainty? I must say for someone who is always demanding poof from others to back up their arguments, you don't mind not doing the same for your theory on this particular subject. Like I said previously, given roughly the conditions I laid out above, who knows whether Mourinho would take the job purely because of the football challenge? Maybe he might be motivated by the opportunity to return Arsenal to the top, make the club winners again and at the same time, get one up in his personal battle with Wenger.

Now I'm not saying Mourinho would definitely take the job under the conditions I specified, and personally don't think the Arsenal Board would be courageous enough to make the appointment anyway, even if he would. But I don't think you can say 'he'll demand this, he'll want that, etc.etc ' when you just don't know.

By the way, I'm one of those people that strongly believes he would probably get more out of the current bunch just by his superior coaching and tactical awareness, where he has proven to be a better judge than Wenger.

I know USM gets on many peoples nerves, but is there really need for this kind of insults Hlebby?

[skipper]

I think we need to face another fact, in that very soon Mourinho will once again be in direct competition with us either at United or City/Chelsea.

Would you rather take him or let him go to them?

Hard one really, think I would prefer a British manager like Moyes or Coyle being given a shot at the big time, than a quick job like Mourinho.

I'd rather let him go. Yes Mou is a good manager who gets results, but hell would it be boring to watch us "park the bus" as Mou seems to love.

Mou doesn't have our football philosophy, neither on nor off the pitch...

Like he parked bus against Scum?

get real. Mourhino is 10x better manager than wenger. Wenger being named manager of decade is surely joke of decade.

[topgoon]

This thread started off as a load of old codswallop and seems to be continuing in the same vein.

Who gives a flying about Moaninho, it wouldn't work and he wouldn't come so move the f**k on and debate about something more interesting like how the weather outside has got me wearing my really dark glasses again....

You know, the kind you wear so the other half doesn't catch you getting a good look at the serious hunnies enjoying the sun....................................Soooooo bad but yet so gooooood

[rigsby]

Jose showed with Robben and Duff that he could play exciting football. In many ways it reminds me of us i the 90s, we'ld win 4 or 5 nil and people would say we were boring. When Chelsea won their first title they were smashing teams.

He's a brilliant manager, unafraid of bold decisions, tactically brilliant, and creates a real sense of an aura around a side,.

[topgoon]

He will not join our club, get over it lads and move on

[rigsby]

Why not? If Wenger left without winning anything for ages, its exactly the situation Jose would love to walk into to show how better he is then Wenger

[USMartin]

How do you know that with any certainty? I must say for someone who is always demanding poof from others to back up their arguments, you don't mind not doing the same for your theory on this particular subject. Like I said previously, given roughly the conditions I laid out above, who knows whether Mourinho would take the job purely because of the football challenge? Maybe he might be motivated by the opportunity to return Arsenal to the top, make the club winners again and at the same time, get one up in his personal battle with Wenger.

Now I'm not saying Mourinho would definitely take the job under the conditions I specified, and personally don't think the Arsenal Board would be courageous enough to make the appointment anyway, even if he would. But I don't think you can say 'he'll demand this, he'll want that, etc.etc ' when you just don't know.

By the way, I'm one of those people that strongly believes he would probably get more out of the current bunch just by his superior coaching and tactical awareness, where he has proven to be a better judge than Wenger.

Well, there is the fact that you already seem to be backpedaling a bit about the likelihood of it happening.

Better still there is his career path. Going to Chelsea with Abramovich, Inter with Moratti, Real with Perez. There's a pattern here. Just like most guys who dig girls with big tits are likely to start dating another girl with big tits.

Or I'll let someone else put it more delicately

But augie he left because he was wanted by all the clubs with money that were craving success

So where does that leave Arsenal? Well the fact iswe have money but how much how much of it is actually available to the manager now, and how much desire there is to see it spent is frankly rather uncertain.

Especially given the fact that the Club have extended Arsene Wenger's contract twice since 2006 knowing that either the manager was being denied sufficient funds or was refusing to use them if they were available in each instance.

Add all that together and its not hard to be fairly certain that Jose Mourinho would rather go to any of twwo or three other English Clubs ahead of Arsenal, and probaly a few Continental Clubs as well.

[I Hate Hleb]

Back peddling? Where have I in any post said that Mourinho would definitely take the job if offered it? Show me because if you can't, then the accusation of back-peddling is bollocks and out of order!!!! My God USMartin, you do love to throw jibes around and appear to go out of your way to look for arguments, don't you?

And to take a quote of mine out of context when I was answering a specific point raised by augie doesn't back up what you've written and it doesn't - and I repeat for the hard of thinking - DOESN'T contradict anything I wrote before at all!!!!

Look at my posts in context and I explained the moves from Porto to Chelsea; the fact that he didn't leave but was sacked Chelsea; that he achieved everything he needed to at Inter Milan within 2 years and how it was difficult to resist the call of Madrid. I also outlined reasons why Mourinho might find Arsenal a good challenge to take up, even without access to the spending levels he had been used to at his previous couple of clubs.

Now instead of trying to make it seem as if I'm the one with the explaining to do, why don't you answer the question as to how you know with such certainty that he would want £25m wages and £100m to spend on players, as you claimed earlier? And saying that it's because he has had access to loads of funds at his previous clubs isn't a good enough reply.

[USMartin]

Back peddling? Where have I in any post said that Mourinho would definitely take the job if offered it? Show me because if you can't, then the accusation of back-peddling is bollocks and out of order!!!! My God Martin you do go out of your way to look for arguments, don't you?

And to take a quote of mine out of context when I was answering a specific point raised by augie doesn't contradict anything I had written previously - and I repeat for the hard of thinking - DOESN'T back up anything you say at all!!!!

Look at my posts in context and I explained the moves from Porto to Chelsea; the fact that he didn't leave but was sacked Chelsea; that he achieved everything he needed to at Inter Milan within 2 years and how it was difficult to resist the call of Madrid. I also outlined reasons why Mourinho might find Arsenal a good challenge to take up, even without access to the spending levels he had been used to at his previous couple of clubs.

Now instead of trying to make it seem as if I'm the one with the explaining to do, why don't you answer the question as to how you know that he would want £25m wages and £100m to spend on players? And saying that it's because he had access to loads of funds at his previous clubs isn't a good enough reply.

The 25 million figure would be a deal-breaker. In other words if they offered it and were happy for top four he would take it but they wouildn't offer that so its not even on the radar. I guess I didn't make that clear enough. He might ask ManU for 8 million but he would also have a team with more proven winners of silverware to start with and significantly more financial support to strengthen . If not he won't go there either.

As for the transfer money tough luck - I stand by that. It's simple right now to add the 2-3 first choice players and 3 quality squad players needed would cost a minimum of 60 million for Arsene Wenger. Logic and his spending history shows with certainty that Mourinho would not count on uncovering bargian veterans or youngsters with more potential than proven talent.

Which brings us right back to the uncertainty of how much money we have , would be made available and how much we want it spent.

[I Hate Hleb]

So you haven't got any proof, have you? None to show that what you stated previous was right; none to show that I was back-peddling - and as someone that takes exception to being wrongly accused and labelled, you should know better and should at least have the courtesy to acknowledge you were wrong to claim I was - and in fact nothing to prove your argument at all, only a load of supposition and conjecture based on what you think might happen. Not on what you know would happen.

Yet you state it all as if you know it to be fact, whilst always demanding from everyone else such high levels of evidence that's akin to actually being there in the room, having photographic & audio tapes, plus signed testimonial statements from all the participants. Anything else is otherwise worthless!!! Even then you'd probably still argue about it's value to the debate, or bring up some other reason to dismiss it if it was contrary to what you believed!!

Now I've been more patient and sympathetic with you than most, but can see why you frustrate the fuck out of people!!

[USMartin]

So you haven't got any proof, have you? None to show that what you stated previous was right; none to show that I was back-peddling - and as someone that takes exception to being wrongly accused and labelled, you should know better and should at least have the courtesy to acknowledge you were wrong to claim I was - and in fact nothing to prove your argument at all, only a load of supposition based on what you think might happen.

Yet you state it all as if you know it to be fact, whilst always demanding from everyone else such high levels of evidence that's akin to actually being there in the room, having photographic & audio tapes, plus signed testimonial statements from all the participants. Anything else is otherwise worthless!!! Even then you'd probably still argue about it's value to the debate if it was contrary to what you believed!!

Now I've been more patient and sympathetic with you than most, but can see why you frustrate the fuck out of people!!

I don't know what your problem is here. All I said is based on our recent spending history and policy and Jose Mourinho's that he would not end up here because of those reasons, and I have actually provided some fiarly reasonable and credible evidence to support my contention.

The bottom line is he will not manager here when there are teams better positioned to compete and wintrophies now or with Boards who will give him unlimited support to strangthen them suufficiently , and based on what we know about jose Mourinho that is a perfectly valid conclusion.

Could it prove incorrect? Possibly. It's highly highly unlikely - maybe a 1 in 100 chance

The point is we should pursuing realistic candidates to manage the team and maybe part of that is pushing the Club to as was said on the Sky Sports podcast toward bringing clarity to our financial issues.\

I will say if Mr. Usmanov bought this club instead of Mr. Kroenke it might happen than.

So since I don't believe ti will happen you don't believe it will happen what is your back up about ?