Hallelujah David Conn - Is the Media finally interested?

[USMartin]

Poor article from Conn.

Anyone interested should scroll through the Guardian's comments section for a serious of comments condemning the article.

Conn attacks the directors for making money from share sales.
But all that has happened is shares have changed hands from one rich man to another.

That neither tales money out the club nor puts money into the club.

Only if it can be proved that directors blocked Wenger spending our cash reserves is there a scandal, otherwise the refrain remains the same for Wenger to spend.

The refrain is for the Club to spend, and that is what it should be. Otherwise we are running the 100 meters on one leg. As i say the whole debate over why we do not spend is secondary to advocating increased spending. I have said this before and maintain it now.

However if the reports of the new transfer budget are accurate we already have an answer of sorts. 40 million pounds will not enable any manager to sufficently address this teams inadequacies and we all know it without the sale of other assets. It won't come close in fact.

And then there is the matter of the amount itself - it's basically all of the profits made from the last five years in the transfer market and less than 10 million pounds. That is simply a joke and yes tying the manager's hands behind his back.

There is no manager that could improve this team to any real extent with those funds without selling a Cesc or Nasri and while we might have to we shouldn't have to not with the money we have banked away. But I guess now that'll push the share price to 13 or 14K , eh?

[USMartin]

By the way Quartz, why do accept things as fact that you want to that you have no real proof for like the manager is refusing to spend money being made available to him, but when someone challenges that belief demand absolute incontrovertible proof for that alone?

It would be one thing if you have the same factual and evidenbtiary standards in all instances but clearly you don't. Your view is that we must believe what they say because they say it until there is absolute proof it is untrue, and that holds even if there as little actual proof or less actual proof even that its true than there is supporting other views about their actions.

We don't owe anyone the benfit of the doubt at this point. We owe all parties the chance to defend their actions, but we don't have to assume anyone has behaved impeccably because its a matter of honour or some such thing. Where is the honour of Arsenal Football Club in all of this?

[USMartin]

how many threads do you need to make?

Got a lot of new information = new threads...simples

[DB10GOONER]

how many threads do you need to make?

Got a lot of new information = new threads...simples

No. Not simples. We mods have to read EVERY thread and reading 5 threads with basically the same info in them is pissing us off to be honest. Keep the board stuff together where anyone that is interested in it can access it.

[USMartin]

But we can have five or ten Wenger out threads. How nice.

As I said elsewhere somewhere our former shareholders are laughing at us.

Seriously why should there be so many Wneger out threads and only one questioning a variety of issues on the Board's handling of things? I'm not having a go but the reality is the Board's handling of the club is a serious topic. Calling the manager senile or a *word censored* isn't.

[DB10GOONER]

But we can have five or ten Wenger out threads. How nice.

As I said elsewhere somewhere our former shareholders are laughing at us.

Seriously why should there be so many Wneger out threads and only one questioning a variety of issues on the Board's handling of things? I'm not having a go but the reality is the Board's handling of the club is a serious topic. Calling the manager senile or a c**t isn't.

One last time Martin. If the Wenger out threads are all the same then the latter ones get locked. There is NO CONSPIRACY TO KEEP YOU QUIET AND SOMEHOW HELP THE BOARD.

The reason MOST of the members on here want the board stuff contained is that it is not enlightening anymore, it is repetitive, your posts are too long, and there is no humour involved. To be frank (steady Jayson...) it is BORING. Sorry mate - but that is it in a nutshell.

This forum grew because it was seen as a place to come and have a good old gripe but with a bit of humour and banter thrown in. You lecturing everyone repeatedly on the one topic is irritating most of our members. I'm afraid one poster cannot have so much control to the detriment of the majority.

So keep the board stuff in one or two threads. The rest will be locked.

[mcdowell42]

My Hero

[Glitch33]

Fundamentally flawed IMO.

I own shares in a plc. Investing in shares is a gamble. Some you win, some you lose.

As an investor I don't give them additional money to spend. Equally I don't go asking for a refund if the share price goes down.

The company get income from their consumers to cover their costs and hopefully to make money to reinvest in the company, or take as profits/dividends.

I have to trust the directors and their employees to do their job, protect and hopefully increase the value of my investment.

We don't own the club, we are consumers of a product owned by a privileged few. It is irrelevant how they got their shares and how much they paid for them and what they do with their money.

They have to look after the product or the consumers will not stop paying for it. It is in the shareholders own interest to keep the company fit and well but they don't have to throw more of their own money in.

It is their club, they own it. We are merely consumers.

Interesting post. Where I would disagree is this - like Simon Kuper states in Soccernomics football Clubs aren't conventional businesses because even more so than traditional corporations of companies because they entities representing their specific communities and populations. Can a football club be moved outside those communities like any other business? Yes. But as our own history shows, we can't be Woolwich Arsenal anymore from that day forward. As big and rich and world-renowned as manchester United is it will cease to be Manchester United if it leaves Manchester. It may survive and succeed even but try as it might iot will cease to be Manchester United.

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A constraint the business has to work within. It is still a business not a charity or a philanthropic enterprise. Many years ago it was different but with the money in the game now is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$

[USMartin]

Fundamentally flawed IMO.

I own shares in a plc. Investing in shares is a gamble. Some you win, some you lose.

As an investor I don't give them additional money to spend. Equally I don't go asking for a refund if the share price goes down.

The company get income from their consumers to cover their costs and hopefully to make money to reinvest in the company, or take as profits/dividends.

I have to trust the directors and their employees to do their job, protect and hopefully increase the value of my investment.

We don't own the club, we are consumers of a product owned by a privileged few. It is irrelevant how they got their shares and how much they paid for them and what they do with their money.

They have to look after the product or the consumers will not stop paying for it. It is in the shareholders own interest to keep the company fit and well but they don't have to throw more of their own money in.

It is their club, they own it. We are merely consumers.

Interesting post. Where I would disagree is this - like Simon Kuper states in Soccernomics football Clubs aren't conventional businesses because even more so than traditional corporations of companies because they entities representing their specific communities and populations. Can a football club be moved outside those communities like any other business? Yes. But as our own history shows, we can't be Woolwich Arsenal anymore from that day forward. As big and rich and world-renowned as manchester United is it will cease to be Manchester United if it leaves Manchester. It may survive and succeed even but try as it might iot will cease to be Manchester United.

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A constraint the business has to work within. It is still a business not a charity or a philanthropic enterprise. Many years ago it was different but with the money in the game now is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$

I can agree - and maybe if we all could we all could have rested al lot easier or at least influenced how things went forward as consumers, but instead too many people wanted to believe this was just the little family football club and we all were supporters from the punters up to the Directors. Football's version of Camelot maybe, and when you think of Camelot you think of how it began not how it ended.

[USMartin]

But we can have five or ten Wenger out threads. How nice.

As I said elsewhere somewhere our former shareholders are laughing at us.

Seriously why should there be so many Wneger out threads and only one questioning a variety of issues on the Board's handling of things? I'm not having a go but the reality is the Board's handling of the club is a serious topic. Calling the manager senile or a c**t isn't.

One last time Martin. If the Wenger out threads are all the same then the latter ones get locked. There is NO CONSPIRACY TO KEEP YOU QUIET AND SOMEHOW HELP THE BOARD.

The reason MOST of the members on here want the board stuff contained is that it is not enlightening anymore, it is repetitive, your posts are too long, and there is no humour involved. To be frank (steady Jayson...) it is BORING. Sorry mate - but that is it in a nutshell.

This forum grew because it was seen as a place to come and have a good old gripe but with a bit of humour and banter thrown in. You lecturing everyone repeatedly on the one topic is irritating most of our members. I'm afraid one poster cannot have so much control to the detriment of the majority.

So keep the board stuff in one or two threads. The rest will be locked.

. This may be "boring' or "dull" but it is damned important and maybe its being too busy not wanting to be bored that is why we all are so upset and angry now at what is actiually happening. Maybe the Liverpool supporters were too bored to consider what Hicks and Gillette were actually doing. Maybe the guys on BP''s rig in the Gulf found discussing the condition of blowout preventers too boring.

Of course its boring - there is no one more qualified to say whether its boring than me, I think you would agree. Does that make it unimportant? There were people who thought worrying about Hitler's intentions was boring.

I opened four threads last night. One had nothing whatsoever to do with the Board. I certainly did not mention them at all in it. Two others were based on brand new news reports that if all the inforamation were limited to one thread would not be seen but by a very few that should be seen by all Gooners and I opened another thread discussing the fact that the Board's lack of candor about our psending the past several years had unintentionally perhaps egged on a lot of supporter anger or made that anger more intense than had they been more candid.

I don't constantly open threads on this (you are a moderator so you can see every thread I open and when I open them) and I also think that while I do not know the numbers that this is another case of a very vocal minority rather than an actual majority ( I may be wrong but based on the comments aimed at me on my threads and elsewhere I think that is a good guess)and again maybe the the downturn in the Fun Level(Saving Silverman reference - YAY) here has more to do with happenings at Arsenal than the activities of anyone on here.

I would have happily PM'd this but the last time I tried resolving something that way you were too busy to do so, so please do not take this as having a go. I think this is however an important issue.

[DB10GOONER]

But we can have five or ten Wenger out threads. How nice.

As I said elsewhere somewhere our former shareholders are laughing at us.

Seriously why should there be so many Wneger out threads and only one questioning a variety of issues on the Board's handling of things? I'm not having a go but the reality is the Board's handling of the club is a serious topic. Calling the manager senile or a c**t isn't.

One last time Martin. If the Wenger out threads are all the same then the latter ones get locked. There is NO CONSPIRACY TO KEEP YOU QUIET AND SOMEHOW HELP THE BOARD.

The reason MOST of the members on here want the board stuff contained is that it is not enlightening anymore, it is repetitive, your posts are too long, and there is no humour involved. To be frank (steady Jayson...) it is BORING. Sorry mate - but that is it in a nutshell.

This forum grew because it was seen as a place to come and have a good old gripe but with a bit of humour and banter thrown in. You lecturing everyone repeatedly on the one topic is irritating most of our members. I'm afraid one poster cannot have so much control to the detriment of the majority.

So keep the board stuff in one or two threads. The rest will be locked.

. This may be "boring' or "dull" but it is damned important and maybe its being too busy not wanting to be bored that is why we all are so upset and angry now at what is actiually happening. Maybe the Liverpool supporters were too bored to consider what Hicks and Gillette were actually doing. Maybe the guys on BP''s rig in the Gulf found discussing the condition of blowout preventers too boring.

Of course its boring - there is no one more qualified to say whether its boring than me, I think you would agree. Does that make it unimportant? There were people who thought worrying about Hitler's intentions was boring.

I opened four threads last night. One had nothing whatsoever to do with the Board. I certainly did not mention them at all in it. Two others were based on brand new news reports that if all the inforamation were limited to one thread would not be seen but by a very few that should be seen by all Gooners and I opened another thread discussing the fact that the Board's lack of candor about our psending the past several years had unintentionally perhaps egged on a lot of supporter anger or made that anger more intense than had they been more candid.

I don't constantly open threads on this (you are a moderator so you can see every thread I open and when I open them) and I also think that while I do not know the numbers that this is another case of a very vocal minority rather than an actual majority ( I may be wrong but based on the comments aimed at me on my threads and elsewhere I think that is a good guess)and again maybe the the downturn in the Fun Level(Saving Silverman reference - YAY) here has more to do with happenings at Arsenal than the activities of anyone on here.

I would have happily PM'd this but the last time I tried resolving something that way you were too busy to do so, so please do not take this as having a go. I think this is however an important issue.

Martin, you cannot compare the Arsenal/board situation to the BP rig or Hitler, mate! That is just silly and way OTT.

The PM situation with you got out of hand. I cannot spend that amount of time reading and replying to your huge PM's. I'm sorry, but I have a job, a wife and kids etc. If I am to be any service to this forum I simply cannot devote that much time to one member.

Keep the board stuff reasonably contained and there is no problem. Otherwise the extra threads get locked.

[Bergkamp-Genius]

He stroked further down, seeking out her center and slid two long fingers inside, noticing how his hand was drenched in her liquid heat immediately. As he fingered her, she was quick at work trying to undo the fly of his jeans. But she was also tormenting him as she worked, stopping to palm his stiff cock through the well-worn denim of his jeans. When she had the fly undone, she slipped her hand inside and caressed him through the cotton of his boxer briefs. He moaned and bit at her neck, making her groan in a wanton, wordless conversation.

She tugged and pulled at his jeans and then his boxers until he was naked. Moments later, she felt her panties tugged down her thighs and the clasp of her bra undone as if he had more than just two hands. She shrugged out of her bra and tossed it carelessly on the floor.

Looking at him with desperate heat, she nodded.

He lifted her up, setting her plump bottom on the cold counter before smiling and entering her in one fluid thrust. Slick heat enveloped him as he heard her cry out between clenched teeth. Slowly he began to pull back and thrust forward, his mouth capturing one perfect, puckered nipple in his mouth as his cock slid in and out in a primitive, needy rhythm.

Never in her wildest dreams had she thought that she would be here, letting Damon take her on her own kitchen counter, but right now, it felt as though this was exactly what was supposed to happen. He was thick and long, and filled her to the point of pain, but she would not give up the sensation of him sliding in and out of her for the entire world.

As he suckled her breast, she grabbed his ass in her hands and pulled him closer; a silent plea to go harder, faster, deeper. He could not refuse and he started to thrust in earnest, going deep and hard.

She could feel her release rising with every thrust. It pooled in her belly and spread out like wildfire threatening to consume her. "Please, Damon," she begged. "Please."

He could draw this out no longer and rode her hard, his orgasm building and his muscles burning with exertion. "Come for me, Ceara," he panted as if his command would send her over the edge. And it did. She came, the walls of her pussy clenching around him and sucking him deep with her.

Her climax sparked his own and he came violently, spilling his seed inside her, his vision whiting out in that moment where he felt closer to heaven than any other time.

They came together and came back down together, panting and gasping. Damon raised his head, and kissed her breast, her neck, her lips. "He was a fool to let you go Ceara. And I assure you, I am no fool." With that, he kissed her soundly, lifting her off the counter and wound his way through the maze of clothing on the floor to find her bedroom, where he planned to prove to her over and over again that she would never be without him.

[USMartin]

Just for the record

Since Jan 1 Until April 21 I have posted 12 threads, or under one thread per week. Aming there were the following

I deleted all my Inbox PMs by mistake Can they be recovered

I am opening a new ArsenalFC,not PLC thread

The (History-Free)Imminent News Speculation Thread

The OFFICIAL HaHa Man U Thread

None of which were Board threads originated by me(The Imminent News Thread was a follow-up to Pingu's original thread which was originally closed and received permission to open, and the arsenalfc,not plc thread was simply a follow-on to two earlier threads)

Besides those one thread was directly reporting the announcement of the new accounts by the club

NO RECORD PROFITS THIS YEAR?

a And another was a Poll which can only be Conducted by opening a new thread

Is The money actuaklly available to spend on the football te

and two more were not polls excatly but efforts to let other Gooners express their views on these issues

WHAT DO GOONERS WANT FROM ARSENAL/

What is moving forward then

So that is until last night then four threads of me just repeating myself about the Board(your opinion not mine)

And then there is last night - two of those threads were directly about new artcles from that morning

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... enke-board

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -work.html

I understand where you are coming from - I don;'t believe the moderators are trying to censor me or protect the Board at all, i beleive effectively that some forum members are trying to do that by pressuring the moderators to act based on what as I have shown above is a bit of a perception more so than reality about me and my posts.

[USMartin]

Martin, you cannot compare the Arsenal/board situation to the BP rig or Hitler, mate! That is just silly and way OTT.

I would say they are apples and oranges. I was simply making the point that historical context aside, this is a serious issue even if its boring as fuck that shapes our lives for what its worth pretty dramatically based on the feelings of Gooners here and elsewhere. I am simply saying that the same opriciple holds - that not wanting to discuss something because its boring can have very negative consequences. After all I did also point out that that happened at Liverpool.

The PM situation with you got out of hand. I cannot spend that amount of time reading and replying to your huge PM's. I'm sorry, but I have a job, a wife and kids etc. If I am to be any service to this forum I simply cannot devote that much time to one member.

I agree completely. I was just pointing out that I wasn't trying to call you out openly in front of everyone, or at all for that matter. I have made that mistake in the past, and I have learnt from from it. I was only posting here because you suggested that was easier.

Keep the board stuff reasonably contained and there is no problem. Otherwise the extra threads get locked.

I think in the post prior to this one( ) I demonstrate I have been doing just that. As I say last nmight there were two new pieces that merited posting and discussion. Now if everything were limited to one or two threads at any time then many people might not get the chance to view this information and judge what it means for themselves or to express their own views whatever they may be on it, and that serves no one but a very few on here who don't like this sort of discussion's interests, such as say McDowell.

Well last I looked he doesn't have to read anything he does not want to, or even open a thread he thinks ne may not want to read, so what is the problem then? Don't open or read the thread. Doesn't that make sense?

[TeeCee]

Even in his repetetive posts he REPEATS what he's already posted about posting!!