Will AW make it to the end of the season?
Look Arsene is NOT going anywhere. Given our resources, he has done great wonders for this club.
In the last 10 ys some clubs have spent £400m, £250m £190m but Arsene has managed to bring in £8m.
Only other option would have been to borrow money to buy players and stretch ourselves; look what that has done to other clubs. LEEDS, NEWCASTLE, etc
We are not signing new players because at most, for every 4 players a manager might sign, only ONE might be good enough. ARSENAL/ARSENE cannot afford that risk.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFULLY WITH OUR FINANCES UNTIL THE STADIUM IS PAID OFF
Remember when we moved Arsene said we might become competitive after 2014 and that seemed about right considering we have no other sources of finance *sugar daddy*.
In the grand scheme of things, these last 6 years have NOT been that bad.
People forget we purchased a £400m stadium during this time, with NO SUGAR DADDY!
On another note: We complain about our fans but yet we are the ones to LOOK when someone start to sing.
In the last 10 ys some clubs have spent £400m, £250m £190m but Arsene has managed to bring in £8m.
Only other option would have been to borrow money to buy players and stretch ourselves; look what that has done to other clubs. LEEDS, NEWCASTLE, etc
We are not signing new players because at most, for every 4 players a manager might sign, only ONE might be good enough. ARSENAL/ARSENE cannot afford that risk.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFULLY WITH OUR FINANCES UNTIL THE STADIUM IS PAID OFF
Remember when we moved Arsene said we might become competitive after 2014 and that seemed about right considering we have no other sources of finance *sugar daddy*.
In the grand scheme of things, these last 6 years have NOT been that bad.
People forget we purchased a £400m stadium during this time, with NO SUGAR DADDY!
On another note: We complain about our fans but yet we are the ones to LOOK when someone start to sing.
Look Arsene is NOT going anywhere. Given our resources, he has done great wonders for this club.
In the last 10 ys some clubs have spent £400m, £250m £190m but Arsene has managed to bring in £8m.
Only other option would have been to borrow money to buy players and stretch ourselves; look what that has done to other clubs. LEEDS, NEWCASTLE, etc
We are not signing new players because at most, for every 4 players a manager might sign, only ONE might be good enough. ARSENAL/ARSENE cannot afford that risk.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFULLY WITH OUR FINANCES UNTIL THE STADIUM IS PAID OFF
Remember when we moved Arsene said we might become competitive after 2014 and that seemed about right considering we have no other sources of finance *sugar daddy*.
In the grand scheme of things, these last 6 years have NOT been that bad.
People forget we purchased a £400m stadium during this time, with NO SUGAR DADDY!
On another note: We complain about our fans but yet we are the ones to LOOK when someone start to sing.
In the last 10 ys some clubs have spent £400m, £250m £190m but Arsene has managed to bring in £8m.
Only other option would have been to borrow money to buy players and stretch ourselves; look what that has done to other clubs. LEEDS, NEWCASTLE, etc
We are not signing new players because at most, for every 4 players a manager might sign, only ONE might be good enough. ARSENAL/ARSENE cannot afford that risk.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFULLY WITH OUR FINANCES UNTIL THE STADIUM IS PAID OFF
Remember when we moved Arsene said we might become competitive after 2014 and that seemed about right considering we have no other sources of finance *sugar daddy*.
In the grand scheme of things, these last 6 years have NOT been that bad.
People forget we purchased a £400m stadium during this time, with NO SUGAR DADDY!
On another note: We complain about our fans but yet we are the ones to LOOK when someone start to sing.
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Unfortunately I can't see him going anywhere, the fuckers who run the club are happy to finish 4th every season and he's also happy with it. Not read the stories yet so can't really comment but from the headlines in the papers this morning he's already saying he does'nt need to spend in the summer 
so as far as I can see it's going to be same old same old for the forseeable future
so as far as I can see it's going to be same old same old for the forseeable future 
MadRich wrote:Look Arsene is NOT going anywhere. Given our resources, he has done great wonders for this club.
In the last 10 ys some clubs have spent £400m, £250m £190m but Arsene has managed to bring in £8m.
Only other option would have been to borrow money to buy players and stretch ourselves; look what that has done to other clubs. LEEDS, NEWCASTLE, etc
We are not signing new players because at most, for every 4 players a manager might sign, only ONE might be good enough. ARSENAL/ARSENE cannot afford that risk.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFULLY WITH OUR FINANCES UNTIL THE STADIUM IS PAID OFF
Remember when we moved Arsene said we might become competitive after 2014 and that seemed about right considering we have no other sources of finance *sugar daddy*.
In the grand scheme of things, these last 6 years have NOT been that bad.
People forget we purchased a £400m stadium during this time, with NO SUGAR DADDY!
On another note: We complain about our fans but yet we are the ones to LOOK when someone start to sing.
I dont see any winking emoticons so can only assume that you are being deadly serious so in that case find me a quote where wenger said we wont be competitive until 2014
Too much claptrap being spoken about spending like dirty leeds and shite like that when no Arsenal fan I know has ever asked for spending like that. What we have asked for is that a reasonable amount to be invested into the team every season instead of investing profits on transfer activity elsewhere. What we would also expect is that if he needs to generate more funds then he would do so by offloading shite like diaby, bendtner etc isntead of giving them hefty new contracts far beyond their ability
We are a club that are stuck in limbo and will remain so until we rid the club of wenger and bring in a more ruthless manager that will sort the shite from the quality
Not only is that the biggest load of bollocks but you compound it by saying you agreed with him at the time. Sorry mate but that makes you Online Gooner Wanker of The Month for me. By a distance.MadRich wrote: Remember when we moved Arsene said we might become competitive after 2014 and that seemed about right
The delusionists really know no bounds when it comes to defending their leader.
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Good article on AW.
http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/opinions/t ... r-a-break/
Arsène Wenger needs a holiday, not a P45. Only in these hysterical times could you ever see fans clamouring for the demise of a man whose team is still very much in the title race.
Arsenal’s draw at White Hart Lane may have been another missed opportunity, but look at Anfield if you want to see what a real slump looks like. Liverpool slipped from genuine title contenders to sneaking into the Europa League purely because the FA couldn’t trust Portsmouth’s credit cards not to be rejected at the airport. In contrast, Arsenal’s frustrations are just another hiccup.
Wenger is constantly beaten over the head with the stick marked ‘No Silverware Since 2005,’ but that argument has no relevance in the modern game. The only silver worth winning is the Premier League and the Champions League. Unless you’re quite insane, you’d rather finish third and win nothing than lift the FA Cup and limp over the line in sixth. Qualify for the Champions League and you can retain your big players, attract new ones and, more pertinently, you can keep your snout in the cash trough where you believe it belongs. Miss out on that and all the FA Cups in the world won’t prevent a mass exodus of talent. It’s a horrible state of affairs and football shouldn’t be this way, but there’s no escaping the fact that this game is all about money now.
In that respect, Wenger has been, and continues to be, brilliant. Arsenal have debt, but it diminishes with every year because, instead of incurring it simply to facilitate a leveraged takeover, they spent it building a magnificent stadium that brings in £3million every match day. Wages are sensibly maintained and transfer fees never stray into what we can now, with confidence, call Fernando Torres Territory. The last six years, even with the most negative interpretation, can only be described as careful stewardship.
There are problems, of course there are. Manuel Almunia has never been anything more than an emergency umbrella and Lukasz Fabianski looks terrified whenever a ball appears above his head. Wenger couldn’t have expected to lose Thomas Vermaelen for almost the entire season, forcing him to field two new centre-backs at the same time, neither of whom had played Premier League football before. In the middle, there’s bags of flair, but little grit. Bill Shankly once said that a football team is like a piano – you need eight people to carry it and three people to play it. Ignoring the fact that Shanks must have had the longest piano on Merseyside, it’s clear that Arsenal’s ratio is the wrong way round.
Still, that’s hardly an irrevocable plight, is it? Stan Kroenke’s first task should be to send his manager on a long holiday. Give Wenger a month on a beach with an iPod, a Tom Clancy novel and a pair of dark glasses and let him rest. When he returns with fresh eyes, he’ll take one look at that team and think, “Hmm… why haven’t we got anyone who can tackle?â€
http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/opinions/t ... r-a-break/
Arsène Wenger needs a holiday, not a P45. Only in these hysterical times could you ever see fans clamouring for the demise of a man whose team is still very much in the title race.
Arsenal’s draw at White Hart Lane may have been another missed opportunity, but look at Anfield if you want to see what a real slump looks like. Liverpool slipped from genuine title contenders to sneaking into the Europa League purely because the FA couldn’t trust Portsmouth’s credit cards not to be rejected at the airport. In contrast, Arsenal’s frustrations are just another hiccup.
Wenger is constantly beaten over the head with the stick marked ‘No Silverware Since 2005,’ but that argument has no relevance in the modern game. The only silver worth winning is the Premier League and the Champions League. Unless you’re quite insane, you’d rather finish third and win nothing than lift the FA Cup and limp over the line in sixth. Qualify for the Champions League and you can retain your big players, attract new ones and, more pertinently, you can keep your snout in the cash trough where you believe it belongs. Miss out on that and all the FA Cups in the world won’t prevent a mass exodus of talent. It’s a horrible state of affairs and football shouldn’t be this way, but there’s no escaping the fact that this game is all about money now.
In that respect, Wenger has been, and continues to be, brilliant. Arsenal have debt, but it diminishes with every year because, instead of incurring it simply to facilitate a leveraged takeover, they spent it building a magnificent stadium that brings in £3million every match day. Wages are sensibly maintained and transfer fees never stray into what we can now, with confidence, call Fernando Torres Territory. The last six years, even with the most negative interpretation, can only be described as careful stewardship.
There are problems, of course there are. Manuel Almunia has never been anything more than an emergency umbrella and Lukasz Fabianski looks terrified whenever a ball appears above his head. Wenger couldn’t have expected to lose Thomas Vermaelen for almost the entire season, forcing him to field two new centre-backs at the same time, neither of whom had played Premier League football before. In the middle, there’s bags of flair, but little grit. Bill Shankly once said that a football team is like a piano – you need eight people to carry it and three people to play it. Ignoring the fact that Shanks must have had the longest piano on Merseyside, it’s clear that Arsenal’s ratio is the wrong way round.
Still, that’s hardly an irrevocable plight, is it? Stan Kroenke’s first task should be to send his manager on a long holiday. Give Wenger a month on a beach with an iPod, a Tom Clancy novel and a pair of dark glasses and let him rest. When he returns with fresh eyes, he’ll take one look at that team and think, “Hmm… why haven’t we got anyone who can tackle?â€
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They is no need to trade insults just because we have very different both VALID points of view. At the end of the day we are all passionate about this club and we would like to see it prosper for a very long time.
Arsenal has no cash because we are in debt. simples! we cant compete with the likes of Man U, Man City or Chelsea.
We say "sell this player and that player" and combine the money to buy that player.
Then what happens if the new player does not perform, gets injured, etc. Also hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Honestly i cant find the article in which Wenger mentions about being competitive until 2014 but its there somewhere.
Anyway the move to the Emirates was an incredible feat of engineering and Wenger is the only guy to take the club to the next level.
I am not saying Wenger is perfect, far from it but he is the manager thats taking Arsenal forward.
During this course, we have remained pretty much competitive BUT have buckled at the last huddle.
Also once this bubble of over priced players that WILL burst, Arsenal will be one of the few clubs that will remain standing on its own two feet.
They is a reason why a lot of clubs are following the Arsenal model of grooming young players and pushing them through the ranks.
This hate against Wenger reminds me of hate against Al Fayed. one quote "if he loves the club so much he should put more money in there and compete against the likes of Chelsea and arsenal.." considering Al Fayed has spent close to £200m.
Lets appreciate the great football that Arsenal plays, yes we need that killer touch, yes we needed a fine goal keeper, etc but lets just enjoy the club.
I'll reiterate my point, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT BAD!
PS: on the more important note, we need to improve our atomsphere.
Arsenal has no cash because we are in debt. simples! we cant compete with the likes of Man U, Man City or Chelsea.
We say "sell this player and that player" and combine the money to buy that player.
Then what happens if the new player does not perform, gets injured, etc. Also hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Honestly i cant find the article in which Wenger mentions about being competitive until 2014 but its there somewhere.
Anyway the move to the Emirates was an incredible feat of engineering and Wenger is the only guy to take the club to the next level.
I am not saying Wenger is perfect, far from it but he is the manager thats taking Arsenal forward.
During this course, we have remained pretty much competitive BUT have buckled at the last huddle.
Also once this bubble of over priced players that WILL burst, Arsenal will be one of the few clubs that will remain standing on its own two feet.
They is a reason why a lot of clubs are following the Arsenal model of grooming young players and pushing them through the ranks.
This hate against Wenger reminds me of hate against Al Fayed. one quote "if he loves the club so much he should put more money in there and compete against the likes of Chelsea and arsenal.." considering Al Fayed has spent close to £200m.
Lets appreciate the great football that Arsenal plays, yes we need that killer touch, yes we needed a fine goal keeper, etc but lets just enjoy the club.
I'll reiterate my point, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT BAD!
PS: on the more important note, we need to improve our atomsphere.
A bit of judicious spending could have strengthened the squad but even £200m couldn't have fixed the lack of leadership, lack of motivation, lack of tactics and the pre-planned on the hour substitutions.
We had a team good enough to do better in this average season. To many draws, too many lost leads at a time when the title was in our hands.
It has been a massive, unforgivable fuck up.
We had a team good enough to do better in this average season. To many draws, too many lost leads at a time when the title was in our hands.
It has been a massive, unforgivable fuck up.
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The perfect post to kill any of the excuses that Wenger and his loyalists reel off when talking about debt, the move and a lack of spending, that's an issue but its a small one compared to the fragile nature and all round lack of mental strength at the club.Glitch33 wrote:A bit of judicious spending could have strengthened the squad but even £200m couldn't have fixed the lack of leadership, lack of motivation, lack of tactics and the pre-planned on the hour substitutions.
We had a team good enough to do better in this average season. To many draws, too many lost leads at a time when the title was in our hands.
It has been a massive, unforgivable fuck up.
excellent posts!!Gunnersaurus wrote:The perfect post to kill any of the excuses that Wenger and his loyalists reel off when talking about debt, the move and a lack of spending, that's an issue but its a small one compared to the fragile nature and all round lack of mental strength at the club.Glitch33 wrote:A bit of judicious spending could have strengthened the squad but even £200m couldn't have fixed the lack of leadership, lack of motivation, lack of tactics and the pre-planned on the hour substitutions.
We had a team good enough to do better in this average season. To many draws, too many lost leads at a time when the title was in our hands.
It has been a massive, unforgivable fuck up.
the sad thing is that aw became a victim of his own early success.......and ego.
many have long-forgotten that (until '04) aw was a man of not only the utmost integity but also priorited innovation, competence, style and skill way beyond that which fergie possessed.
he created a flexibility and self-belief within the team that bred the "mental strength" he now bangs on about at every opportunity. following a few quiet years under gg, he brought joy, excitement and a feel-good factor back to highbury on a level beyond our wildest expectations. not only that, as a club and team, we also gained an admiration from the world (press, clubs and even the general public) that previously would have been unthinkable
the mantras "arsene knows" and "in arsene we trust" were born......and rightly so at the time
unfortunately, at this point the arsenal project became the arsene project.......to cement his legendary status at the club and in football generally rather than sticking to the core activity of winning big matches and trophies. the activity that originally created his reputation back then
in addition, there will have been those on the board that saw their opportunity to cash-in on the club's elevated status and they secretly shifted the priority of the club from winning trophies (with style) and thereby creating wealth to creating wealth in order to ??????. they played his ego like a well-tuned fiddle and aw even watched dd walk out of the door without realising his own future reputation left the club with dd that very day
right now, the best use of stan kroenke's controlling share and business experience would be to invest in a "check-up from the neck-up" for aw and hope that le prof discovers the humility he needs to turn this gradual, downward spiral around.
our "ship sailed" in '05 and it's highly unlikely aw will be on board when it eventually returns
+1Gunnersaurus wrote:The perfect post to kill any of the excuses that Wenger and his loyalists reel off when talking about debt, the move and a lack of spending, that's an issue but its a small one compared to the fragile nature and all round lack of mental strength at the club.Glitch33 wrote:A bit of judicious spending could have strengthened the squad but even £200m couldn't have fixed the lack of leadership, lack of motivation, lack of tactics and the pre-planned on the hour substitutions.
We had a team good enough to do better in this average season. To many draws, too many lost leads at a time when the title was in our hands.
It has been a massive, unforgivable fuck up.
