Lay Off Pat Rice!!!

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:40 pm

Apart from the always enjoyable piss taking element to this thread I'd also say we cannot blame Rice for our problems. Wenger is the boss - the buck rests with him.

elpelsarmy · Post by **elpelsarmy** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:40 pm

your all assuming! you dont know the man or what he does from day to day! you see him during a game thats the extent of your knowledge! its too easy and convenient to label him as a yes man!

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:43 pm

elpelsarmy wrote:your all assuming! you dont know the man or what he does from day to day! you see him during a game thats the extent of your knowledge! its too easy and convenient to label him as a yes man!

Jaysus, Pat - will you calm the fuck down?!

rodders999 · Post by **rodders999** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:44 pm

elpelsarmy wrote:your all assuming! you dont know the man or what he does from day to day! you see him during a game thats the extent of your knowledge! its too easy and convenient to label him as a yes man!

I actually hope he IS a yes man. Why? Because if he isn't then he's sitting there like a fucking gormless buffoon, looking on as we concede our 40th goal from a corner, turning up for training the following week, doing nothing about it and picking up his pay as we repeat the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over.

So please lets pray he is a yes man and not an aposotle of Chief Turnip!!!!

elpelsarmy · Post by **elpelsarmy** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:47 pm

rodders999 wrote:
elpelsarmy wrote:your all assuming! you dont know the man or what he does from day to day! you see him during a game thats the extent of your knowledge! its too easy and convenient to label him as a yes man!
I actually hope he IS a yes man. Why? Because if he isn't then he's sitting there like a fucking gormless buffoon, looking on as we concede our 40th goal from a corner, turning up for training the following week, doing nothing about it and picking up his pay as we repeat the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over.

So please lets pray he is a yes man and not an aposotle of Chief Turnip!!!!

fair point!!!! dont do that please

Post by **flash gunner** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:50 pm

elpelsarmy wrote:your all assuming! you dont know the man or what he does from day to day! you see him during a game thats the extent of your knowledge! its too easy and convenient to label him as a yes man!

In all seriousness i totally agree, many blame Rice and call him a yes man but none of us know what he does day to day for certain. These same people blame Rice as it takes away from the real problem - Wenger

elpelsarmy · Post by **elpelsarmy** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:51 pm

flash gunner wrote:
elpelsarmy wrote:your all assuming! you dont know the man or what he does from day to day! you see him during a game thats the extent of your knowledge! its too easy and convenient to label him as a yes man!
In all seriousness i totally agree, many blame Rice and call him a yes man but none of us know what he does day to day for certain. These same people blame Rice as it takes away from the real problem - Wenger

EXACTAMONDO!!!!

FrenchGun · Post by **FrenchGun** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:03 pm

If Pat Rice had ever disagreed with Wenger, we would've probably heard about it now, or in a worse case scenario, he would've been fired.

So yes I blame Pat Rice because like all the others he's far too happy to collect his paycheck at the end of the month so he's as accountable as the players, the coach, the board etc...

pat Rice is exactly like wenger, he digs his head in the sand and refuses to see the truth. Oh he may not agree with Wenger and his policy deep inside, but his act shows someone 100% behind Wenger and the actual policy....

elpelsarmy · Post by **elpelsarmy** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:09 pm

FrenchGun wrote:If Pat Rice had ever disagreed with Wenger, we would've probably heard about it now, or in a worse case scenario, he would've been fired.

So yes I blame Pat Rice because like all the others he's far too happy to collect his paycheck at the end of the month so he's as accountable as the players, the coach, the board etc...

pat Rice is exactly like wenger, he digs his head in the sand and refuses to see the truth. Oh he may not agree with Wenger and his policy deep inside, but his act shows someone 100% behind Wenger and the actual policy....

You dont KNOW any of what u have just posted!! your guessing! cos it suits to think he is happy to collect his paycheque and do nothing!! how the fuck do u know that???? please tell me? how do u know he puts his head in the sand? u never hear him being interviewed so how do u know this? i will bow to your superior knowledge if you can come up with some proof?

LDB · Post by **LDB** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:18 pm

I too think people should lay off pat rice. The buck stops with Wenger and wenger is the only one who can appraise the job Rice is doing. Thus, if Pat Rice is doing his job poorly then that is Wenger's responsibility as well.

olgitgooner · Post by **olgitgooner** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:18 pm

Having seen Pat many times during his playing days, I have to say that it totally wrong of anyone to assume that he has no leadership qualities.

Maybe he does give the players a kick up the arse, when they obviously need it. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe AW stops him from doing so. Who knows?

I'm fairly sure that he does more important stuff than cone laying.

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:19 pm

FrenchGun wrote:If Pat Rice had ever disagreed with Wenger, we would've probably heard about it now, or in a worse case scenario, he would've been fired.

So yes I blame Pat Rice because like all the others he's far too happy to collect his paycheck at the end of the month so he's as accountable as the players, the coach, the board etc...

pat Rice is exactly like wenger, he digs his head in the sand and refuses to see the truth. Oh he may not agree with Wenger and his policy deep inside, but his act shows someone 100% behind Wenger and the actual policy....

One of the older players (Lee Dixon, I think) recounts a story where trailing at half-time, Pat Rice was having a go at some of the players and Wenger told him to shut up!!

Even Bob Wilson has said in the past that rather than go with the advice given to him by his staff, Wenger said something like 'as it was his neck on the line, he would have to go with his own judgement'. I think those two stories should be enough evidence that it's Wenger's way only.

Which brings me to a point I made a few days ago regarding Steve Bould. Even if he is to be the replacement to a retiring Pat Rice, there's no guarantee that he will have any more of an impact or that Arsene will listen any more to him than he does Rice. As the coaching staff are every bit as beholden to Wenger for their jobs as the players, who is seriously going to stand up to him and tell him where he's going wrong?

OnlyGotOneSong · Post by **OnlyGotOneSong** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:22 pm

elpelsarmy wrote:
FrenchGun wrote:If Pat Rice had ever disagreed with Wenger, we would've probably heard about it now, or in a worse case scenario, he would've been fired.

So yes I blame Pat Rice because like all the others he's far too happy to collect his paycheck at the end of the month so he's as accountable as the players, the coach, the board etc...

pat Rice is exactly like wenger, he digs his head in the sand and refuses to see the truth. Oh he may not agree with Wenger and his policy deep inside, but his act shows someone 100% behind Wenger and the actual policy....
You dont KNOW any of what u have just posted!! your guessing! cos it suits to think he is happy to collect his paycheque and do nothing!! how the fuck do u know that???? please tell me? how do u know he puts his head in the sand? u never hear him being interviewed so how do u know this? i will bow to your superior knowledge if you can come up with some proof?

Neither do you! How do you know he doesn't put his head in the sand? How do you know that he's not just happy to take his paycheck?

Nobody has any facts to back up their claims. This is possibly the most redundant debate ever to take place.

elpelsarmy · Post by **elpelsarmy** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:23 pm

It wouldnt matter if you had Jose Mourinho as Wengers no2, within 6 months people on here would say he is cone laying yes man who wont stand up to Wenger! How do we know that Rice and Wenger dont have stand up rows about practising defending set-pieces? At the end of the day Wenger knows that his word is the last word!

FrenchGun · Post by **FrenchGun** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:23 pm

elpelsarmy wrote:
FrenchGun wrote:If Pat Rice had ever disagreed with Wenger, we would've probably heard about it now, or in a worse case scenario, he would've been fired.

So yes I blame Pat Rice because like all the others he's far too happy to collect his paycheck at the end of the month so he's as accountable as the players, the coach, the board etc...

pat Rice is exactly like wenger, he digs his head in the sand and refuses to see the truth. Oh he may not agree with Wenger and his policy deep inside, but his act shows someone 100% behind Wenger and the actual policy....
You dont KNOW any of what u have just posted!! your guessing! cos it suits to think he is happy to collect his paycheque and do nothing!! how the fuck do u know that???? please tell me? how do u know he puts his head in the sand? u never hear him being interviewed so how do u know this? i will bow to your superior knowledge if you can come up with some proof?

Ok, you know what? You're right! Pat Rice is a hero, he's working his arse off each day to make things better. He's fully aware of our problems and he's fixing it! As I'm speaking he's having a fight with Wenger to convince him to sign a CB asap, that Denlison, BEnder, and co. are shit and should be dumped, that we should work on defensive display in training...

Seriously? And even if he did do all this it's quite clear it's not working!

Oh but pardon he's been at the club for 40 years and we are a charity business so we should probably offer him a new improved contract for his great job!!!

Well flash news mate, he's not good enough