aw v gg

[MEDINABOY]

i know theres stats and theres lies but try this one out.
in nine years under gg
scored: 543 @ 60per season
conceded: 327 @ 36

in 14 seasons to date under aw
scored: 1013 @ 72 per season
conceded: 478 @ 34

it would also appear that what myself and others regard as the good old days,meaning when tony adams started and bouldy finished,that being 83-99,the stats show an average of 37 conceded and 54 scored.
so what the hell do you read into this,is our defence that bad?.again the stats show that in the last five years they average 34 per season.
the invincibles conceded 26 since then the average for the champions has been 23
just for old times sake,70-71 ,scored 71,conceded 29,in todays money 94 points.cant you tell i had fuck all to do.

[marcengels]

Great defence but shit rest of the team no possession(current crop keep hold of the ball so much so our goals conceded to possession given up is terrible)more pressure on the team.therefore even though great defence had inadequate protection and support from front players and therefore did well for much of that time to do what they did.has that answered you question medina?brady,look at that oh look at that.

[Dan_85]

In terms of years in charge to trophies won, Graham was the more successful manager. The key point being that he was let go as things were going stale which hasn't been the case with Wenger.

Whether Graham would have retained his job had "financial irregularities" not come to light, who knows...

[MEDINABOY]

gotcha ta,wot about the goals scored? just a difference of 12 even between gg and aw,although aw plays outright attack?that makes wrighty and merse,smudge and co worth ?????

[selsdon]

Rocastle, Thomas, Limpar, Merse, Davis, Smith and Wrighty would walk into this current squad.

Georgie's Arsenal up until his last two seasons is greatly underestimated.

[donaldo]

Great defence but shit rest of the team no possession(current crop keep hold of the ball so much so our goals conceded to possession given up is terrible)more pressure on the team.therefore even though great defence had inadequate protection and support from front players and therefore did well for much of that time to do what they did.has that answered you question medina?brady,look at that oh look at that.

When was that? between 86-93 when we had Rocastle Merson Limpar Marwood Smudger,Thomas,Davis,Williams and Wrighty

[LDB]

Great defence but shit rest of the team no possession(current crop keep hold of the ball so much so our goals conceded to possession given up is terrible)more pressure on the team.therefore even though great defence had inadequate protection and support from front players and therefore did well for much of that time to do what they did.has that answered you question medina?brady,look at that oh look at that.

[marcengels]

Great defence but shit rest of the team no possession(current crop keep hold of the ball so much so our goals conceded to possession given up is terrible)more pressure on the team.therefore even though great defence had inadequate protection and support from front players and therefore did well for much of that time to do what they did.has that answered you question medina?brady,look at that oh look at that.

When was that? between 86-93 when we had Rocastle Merson Limpar Marwood Smudger,Thomas,Davis,Williams and Wrighty

I meant the end of Graham's era, donaldo.

My apologies, badly worded.

[donaldo]

Great defence but shit rest of the team no possession(current crop keep hold of the ball so much so our goals conceded to possession given up is terrible)more pressure on the team.therefore even though great defence had inadequate protection and support from front players and therefore did well for much of that time to do what they did.has that answered you question medina?brady,look at that oh look at that.

When was that? between 86-93 when we had Rocastle Merson Limpar Marwood Smudger,Thomas,Davis,Williams and Wrighty

I meant the end of Graham's era, donaldo.

My apologies, badly worded.

I agree.He started to lose the plot after Wrexham.

[Trevheff]

Marcengels has it spot on in my opinion: We dominate most games in terms of possession but concede a disproportionate number of goals for the amount of pressure we're under. Or translated, we concede every time we come under a bit of pressure!!

I'd go as far as saying we'd probably have one of the worst defences in the league if it was measured as goals conceded v's pressure received. The league table may say that Wolves have conceded more goals than us, but they would have been under alot more defensive pressure than we would in games. Had our defence been under the same amount of pressures as Wolves over 38 games I'm pretty certain we'd ship alot more goals than they would.

Who is more defensively effective, a team that comes under 5 mins of pressure in 90 but concedes once, or a team that's battered for 90 mins but concedes twice?

In short, I've said in far too many words what we all know; Defensively we are weak, feable and spineless. Our defensive record is masked by our long periods of nothing possession.

[O'Leary]

Trevheff, take a boo son.

That's a great post and so true... as a % our % of goals conceded to attacks (against us) must be huge!

If our defence was at Wolves or one of the bottom 3 clubs with a high level of sustained pressure we would be conceding tonnes of goals.

Oddly the only time I thought we recently looked "solid" was against United?

Nice one Trev.

O'Leary

[USMartin]

Marcengels has it spot on in my opinion: We dominate most games in terms of possession but concede a disproportionate number of goals for the amount of pressure we're under. Or translated, we concede every time we come under a bit of pressure!!

I'd go as far as saying we'd probably have one of the worst defences in the league if it was measured as goals conceded v's pressure received. The league table may say that Wolves have conceded more goals than us, but they would have been under alot more defensive pressure than we would in games. Had our defence been under the same amount of pressures as Wolves over 38 games I'm pretty certain we'd ship alot more goals than they would.

Who is more defensively effective, a team that comes under 5 mins of pressure in 90 but concedes once, or a team that's battered for 90 mins but concedes twice?

In short, I've said in far too many words what we all know; Defensively we are weak, feable and spineless. Our defensive record is masked by our long periods of nothing possession.

Excellent post. Teams in the top four are simply not going to have the same offensive or defensive records as teams at the foot of the table but that does not automatically mean their attacks or defences are automatically that much more effective or efficient.

[Almunia is a clown]

GG was never given sufficent transfer funds after his two league titles for the world class players you need for consistent glory. The club has never backed the manager with enough funds to go & achieve further success which is why we have never won titles back to back since the 1930's IMO.

GG was never given much cash after Ian Wright arrived, despite reinforcements being badly needed in midfield & attack, Graham still managed to win cups & a European trophy with a injury hit squad. Even then the much needed transfers didn't arrive until Rioch & later Wenger arrived.

The Mancs signing Cantona & Keane made a big difference & we failed to match their ambition at the time, one advantage Wenger later had over Graham was that he inherited a squad which had already won many trophies.

Graham's squad was the backbone of Wenger's early success at The Arsenal, something the AKB fail to even notice

[northbankbren]

Everyone knows 87.21% of statistics are made up on the spot

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

The biggest similarity when comparing George to Arsene is -

* They were both brilliant when they started at Arsenal but each man lost his way after the early, successful years.

The biggest difference when comparing George to Arsene is -

* George was sacked (all be it for financial reasons) and a new man came in to take the Club forward, with George's best players but a host of fresh ideas.

Kind of shoots down all the rose-tinters that believe life will end if Arsene goes, doesn't it??