aw v gg

[1989]

I would give a bollock to have GG back!

Heart, discipline, backbone, leadership, PRIDE AND PASSION FOR THE ARSENAL.

[basilbrush14]

Wenger was very very lucky to have inherited what he did. Infact most of his sucesss was built on it upto 2002 when the back 4 and midfield was more his own. Their spirit however would have been cultured by Keown and Vieira who had the influence of Adams.


Wenger has shown that he has been a failure in terms of preserving that British Bulldog spirit that was vital for the likes of Vieira/Gilberto etc that allowed Henry, Pires to flourish.

Troule with Wenger, he's not been able to re-invent Arsenal.

[MK Gould]

i know theres stats and theres lies but try this one out.
in nine years under gg
scored: 543 @ 60per season
conceded: 327 @ 36

in 14 seasons to date under aw
scored: 1013 @ 72 per season
conceded: 478 @ 34

The stats are interesting, but maybe wrong to directly compare as I'm fairly sure that we were playing 42 games a season for most of GG's reign but only 38 under AW.

So extrapolating up AW's stats would give:
scored: 78 per season (compared to GG's 60)
conceded: 37 per season (compared to GG's 36)

Anyway, just wanted to say that I have very different views of the two Managers as men in their own right.

GG - old school Arsenal. Played in the '71 double side. Encouraged the siege mentality which wasn't just amongst the playing staff, but united the fans as well. If you said you were an Arsenal fan in those days it meant you went to games. No glory supporters. No jumping on any bandwagon. He really did own the magic hat!

AW - I don't know whether it's because he is French, or clever, but I've never really warmed to the guy. His post match interviews drive me to despair. He doesn't create a siege mentality (which can be positive), he just whinges. He doesn't appear to like anyone else in football - and, maybe unlike GG, you wouldn't want to go for a beer with him....

GG - earned a reputation for dour 1-0 to the Arsenal, but people forget that this was very much of 1994 vintage when he managed to win the European Cup Winners Cup, against the odds, with a very ordinary looking Arsenal side.... In 1991 we were anything but and very nearly beat the invicibles to that title by winning the league having only lost one match. He has never been given enough credit for that period. On the downside, maybe there was under investment towards the end of his reign, but GG also had a reputation for not being able to handle talented players. Anders Limpar and Charlie Nicholas come to mind, but there were others.

AW - has slight edge over GG in every respect bar Europe - but then we've been in with the big boys under AW, whereas GG won the equivalent of the Europa League.

So I've got no axe to grind about the similarity of their respective records, and if push came to shove I'd have to admit that GG would be my choice in terms of popularity (ignoring his decision to go and manage spuds....).

But I didn't shed a tear when George was given the boot. And I never believed that it was over financial irregularities. Fact is that his time was up and I think everyone knew it. It was the best thing for Arsenal - and that was all that mattered.

But now? I'm not the greatest fan of AW as a person. But it just doesn't feel like it did with GG. For me it doesn't feel like we're going no-where, like he has lost our trust or the trust of the team. I honestly think that at this time the best thing for Arsenal is that Arsene stays....

[rigsby]

Graham's Arsenal won Wenger most of his trophies. His inability to pick Defenders, bar Sol Campbell, mean had he joined us wiothout that back 5 he'ld have probably lasted about 2 years.

[MK Gould]

Graham's Arsenal won Wenger most of his trophies. His inability to pick Defenders, bar Sol Campbell, mean had he joined us wiothout that back 5 he'ld have probably lasted about 2 years.

.....which would have been very sad as we'd have then missed out on the invincibles:
Jens Lehmann
Kolo Toure
Sol Campbell
Ashley Cole
Lauren
Robert Pires
Patrick Vieira
Gilberto Silva
Fredrik Ljungberg
Edu
Thierry Henry
Dennis Bergkamp

Not much of George Graham's influence among that lot........

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

Graham's Arsenal won Wenger most of his trophies. His inability to pick Defenders, bar Sol Campbell, mean had he joined us wiothout that back 5 he'ld have probably lasted about 2 years.

.....which would have been very sad as we'd have then missed out on the invincibles:
Jens Lehmann
Kolo Toure
Sol Campbell
Ashley Cole
Lauren
Robert Pires
Patrick Vieira
Gilberto Silva
Fredrik Ljungberg
Edu
Thierry Henry
Dennis Bergkamp

Not much of George Graham's influence among that lot........

Thats what always makes me laugh about people that would "swap GG for AW".

Football has changed massively, this club has changed massively and thanks to Wenger, we were at the forefront of that.

Frankly, anyone who can't see what Wenger has done to an extent they would want GG back is deluded.

[MK Gould]

Thats what always makes me laugh about people that would "swap GG for AW".

Football has changed massively, this club has changed massively and thanks to Wenger, we were at the forefront of that.

Frankly, anyone who can't see what Wenger has done to an extent they would want GG back is deluded.

Absofeckinlootley!

George Graham was a great Manager. But his peak was 20 years ago.....to say that Wenger's success was totally reliant on him is naive and to suggest that we'd be better off with him now....? I don't think so!!!!

[Blade]

GG's teams won every cup final they played in.

Aw's teams choked in nearly every cup final they played in.

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

Graham's Arsenal won Wenger most of his trophies. His inability to pick Defenders, bar Sol Campbell, mean had he joined us wiothout that back 5 he'ld have probably lasted about 2 years.

.....which would have been very sad as we'd have then missed out on the invincibles:
Jens Lehmann
Kolo Toure
Sol Campbell
Ashley Cole
Lauren
Robert Pires
Patrick Vieira
Gilberto Silva
Fredrik Ljungberg
Edu
Thierry Henry
Dennis Bergkamp

Not much of George Graham's influence among that lot........

Thats what always makes me laugh about people that would "swap GG for AW".

Football has changed massively, this club has changed massively and thanks to Wenger, we were at the forefront of that.

Frankly, anyone who can't see what Wenger has done to an extent they would want GG back is deluded.

Yes indeed - football has changed massively.

What used to cost me a few quid each week now costs about £100 per match. And rather than being surrounded by my mates, I'm surrounded by a load of tourists taking pictures on their i-phones. And I'm watching a bunch of here today, gone tomorrow millionaires that don't seem to give a shit. Thanks Arsene . . . . . . . .

Typical response from a kid that thinks Arsenal were formed in 1996 rather than 1886.

[marcengels]

Unfortunately, the club is further away from alot of us than ever.

Some of us started supporting the team because it was our local team, not because we were a big, trophy winning club playing great football.

Unfortunately, we're now lumbered with fans who think that because Wenger changed the way that Arsenal plays, it given him free reign, and that we should more or less shut it.

Again on this subect, the football played under Wenger up to 2005 was best I've ever seen at Arsenal, and what's being served up now as "good football" is, as Stoke fans rightly pointed out, boring - as boring as Arsenal are famous for.

However, there is no doubt for me that the basis for a team that Wenger picked up from Graham is better than any successor would pick up from Wenger now.

[MEDINABOY]

as bendtners drinking buddy said and seconded by mk gould "footballs changed massively and thanks to aw we were at the forefront of that"
there it is boys ,no more to be said "WERE"

[goonersid]

I have far more respect for gg than I will ever have or have had for Wenger.
Would any of wengers teams (and I include the invincibles in this) have gone to Anfield and got the result they needed? NO! and not because they woudn't have had the ability, but because Wenger could never motivate a team do what they did that night, particularly when yuo take into consideration that it had looked like we had thrown away an unassailable lead.

That said I am not advocating bringing gg back, but there are those on here who should read into our history before thinking that there was no and will be no success without wenger.

[Offside]

GG's teams won every cup final they played in.
Aw's teams choked in nearly every cup final they played in.

That's not how Gus Caesar remembers it

[I Hate Hleb]

GG's teams won every cup final they played in.
Aw's teams choked in nearly every cup final they played in.

That's not how Gus Caesar remembers it

Shush!! We don't talk about 'that' one!! Mind you, at least we learnt from it and never lost another one under G.G. (5 Finals, 4 victories.)