'The Poznan'
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eliogooner
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I don't know why we're so snooty towards European styles of support when British atmospheres are the laughing stock of world football. "Oh we don't want any of that choreographed nonsense" 
Isn't that what support is? A group of people singing & chanting in unison... Imagine for one second that the grove was exactly like the clips on the first page, I'm certain those who had been slagging it off would be ranting about how good our support was...
Isn't that what support is? A group of people singing & chanting in unison... Imagine for one second that the grove was exactly like the clips on the first page, I'm certain those who had been slagging it off would be ranting about how good our support was...
The problem with it is that it simply isnt natural- any British club that tries to do it ends up looking cringeworthy as fuck, it looks completely put on. Then you have the fact that the bloke with a megaphone type atmospheres tend to sound impressive for about 5 minutes, but then you realise there is no spontenaity (I have no doubt spelt that wrong!). One of the best things about the "British atmosphere" is the fact that you suddenly get random chants breaking out in response to an event either on or off the pitch- the wholly choreographed approach tends to lead to the same chants being chanted every game. I know a lad who spent a good few months in Turkey, he went to Fenerbache and said it was amazing to experience once, but the rest of the time it was poor, just the same shit every timeDan_85 wrote:I don't know why we're so snooty towards European styles of support when British atmospheres are the laughing stock of world football. "Oh we don't want any of that choreographed nonsense"
There is no need to try and change our football supporting culture, we need to bring back what we used to have, not try to copy other countries ways of supporting their teams when as I say, it ends up looking cringeworthy and put on. Its not snootyness, its just about trying to support our teams in the way we always have traditionally, not trying to be something we arent
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eliogooner
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Pisses me off too mate the European atmosphere at games is amazing but wouldn't suit English football would make us look non-league.Dan_85 wrote:I don't know why we're so snooty towards European styles of support when British atmospheres are the laughing stock of world football. "Oh we don't want any of that choreographed nonsense"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Inv49Ghr8
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Nail on the head.safcftm wrote:The problem with it is that it simply isnt natural- any British club that tries to do it ends up looking cringeworthy as fuck, it looks completely put on. Then you have the fact that the bloke with a megaphone type atmospheres tend to sound impressive for about 5 minutes, but then you realise there is no spontenaity (I have no doubt spelt that wrong!). One of the best things about the "British atmosphere" is the fact that you suddenly get random chants breaking out in response to an event either on or off the pitch- the wholly choreographed approach tends to lead to the same chants being chanted every game. I know a lad who spent a good few months in Turkey, he went to Fenerbache and said it was amazing to experience once, but the rest of the time it was poor, just the same shit every timeDan_85 wrote:I don't know why we're so snooty towards European styles of support when British atmospheres are the laughing stock of world football. "Oh we don't want any of that choreographed nonsense"
There is no need to try and change our football supporting culture, we need to bring back what we used to have, not try to copy other countries ways of supporting their teams when as I say, it ends up looking cringeworthy and put on. Its not snootyness, its just about trying to support our teams in the way we always have traditionally, not trying to be something we arent
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OnlyGotOneSong
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjDwa3HG ... ideo_title
Man City singing "What the fucking hell is that" to Lech Poznan fans whilst they were doing the 'Poznan'.
They then make it their own celebration a few weeks later!
Man City singing "What the fucking hell is that" to Lech Poznan fans whilst they were doing the 'Poznan'.
They then make it their own celebration a few weeks later!
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leedsgooner
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This happens in Europe too. I think the way the the continental scene is perceived by many Brits is often quite inaccurate, as if the Capo (the guy with the megaphone) is some kinda dictator who must be obeyed at all times, which really isn't the case. In fact i'm willing to bet most clubs have their own "capos" as such in their crowds, someone who starts off the majority of chants for others to pick up & run with. The only difference being that he doesn't have a megaphone over here.safcftm wrote: One of the best things about the "British atmosphere" is the fact that you suddenly get random chants breaking out in response to an event either on or off the pitch
Having been to matches in Poland, Greece, Italy, Germany amongst others I'd swap my right arm to transport their atmospheres over here.
Sadly i don't ever see it happening & equally I don't ever see a return to "proper" English atmospheres
Decades more of "sit down, shut up" beckons.In many cases he is. Partly because if he is starting a chant, it is pretty difficult for anything to be sung over the top of it, and also because he is generally one of their "lads", generally facing away from the pitch making sure that people join in.Dan_85 wrote:This happens in Europe too. I think the way the the continental scene is perceived by many Brits is often quite inaccurate, as if the Capo (the guy with the megaphone) is some kinda dictator who must be obeyed at all times, which really isn't the case. In fact i'm willing to bet most clubs have their own "capos" as such in their crowds, someone who starts off the majority of chants for others to pick up & run with. The only difference being that he doesn't have a megaphone over here.safcftm wrote: One of the best things about the "British atmosphere" is the fact that you suddenly get random chants breaking out in response to an event either on or off the pitch
Having been to matches in Poland, Greece, Italy, Germany amongst others I'd swap my right arm to transport their atmospheres over here.
Sadly i don't ever see it happening & equally I don't ever see a return to "proper" English atmospheres
Plus, the foreign atmosphere is most effective when also combined with all the flags, streamers and bouncing etc, in England, particularly with ticket prices etc as they are, you could never get enough people doing it to make it look like anything more than a small section of people, which again looks stupid as they stand out like a sore thumb and looks like they are trying too hard. In foreign grounds it is whole stands/ whole stadiums doing it. An isolated group of 100 "crazy" fans doing it amongst a morgue of a stadium looks stupid- one or two smokies if youre lucky, but no flares, a couple of banners whilst most get taken down, it would simply never work and would never seem real.
A "proper English" atmosphere however can be achieved. Get one or two blocks with a fair number of people prepared to sing/ chant all game and because it is less visual, the fact that many people arent joining in can hardly be seen, the chanting still sounds loud and impressive. That, for now, is as good as it gets
Remember, most of the proper mental fans in Turkey and such like display their passion because their club really is the most important thing in their lives. I know it sounds "classist" (if thats a word), but look at the Emirates, its full of blokes who can afford £1000 a season to spend on football. For some, football is up there with the most important things, but for the vast majority their jobs, cars, mortgages, birds etc are of more concern. Hardly any would risk getting arrested for instance, too much to lose. Not saying no one in the Emirates (or other British grounds) is passionate, but they arent as passionate, it doesnt mean as much now and that is partly why it always looks put on- a lot of the ones wanting to do the poznan and such likes are about fucking 15, in Turkey it is 30, 40 year old blokes with very little else in the world doing it, not a couple of random blokes and a barrel full of prepubescent spoilt twats who can go because they have no responsibilities of their own, live with mummy and daddy and sit in a ground full of women and kids
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OneBardGooner
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Dan_85 wrote:I'm a fan of European atmospheres to be honest, don't tell me you'd be against The Grove rocking like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2jkpZwSScw
But "the Poznan" is gay as fuck. When done properly it's an impressive visual spectacle, the thing is that City & pretty much every other English club that try's it fail spectacularly as the crowd is half full of old people who have no interest/no ability to participate, so it just looks a bit like a bunch of mongs jumping about. And the chant is fucking cringeworthy, "let's all do The Poznan"
I laughed particularly hard at the UK media coverage of it too... "There's that curious dance those kooky Poles taught to the city fans", as if City are now some kind of pioneers with their revolutionary dance sweeping across England. Pretty much sums up the sheltered outlook of British fans & media when Grecques, as they're properly known, have been going on for decades.
FUCKING LOVE IT!! Oh to be in a crowd and atmosphere like that
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