WE'LL SPEND IF WE HAVE TO - WENGER

[storrmin571]

Every single day I get more angry with the man. Just fuck off now.

[biglunn]

We have to stop addressing this as if it's merely coincidental to the changes in the club's makeup and ownership which have occurred since 2006 and most impoortantly we have to stop pretending it's coincidental to the profits made by indiviuals still running the club to some extent since then, and clearly running the club since 2006 till this year.

Remember this - Arsene Wenger did not advise the Board not to sell Highbury a Board member did. Arsene Wenger did not voite to not top sell Highbury - the other Board members did. And they alone benefitted from that decision at this point.

As noted in a closed thread - why do you think Arsene Wenger is paid 6 million pounds a year? To cover all of this. He keeps the Board isolated and protected from any challange or criticism of their actions or policies. He is the Board's and now Stan Kroenke's firewall. As long as the heat is on them they don't have to explain defend or justify anything they have done or chosen not to do. That is why no matter what bar dropping from the top four altogether (and maybe not then even), he will be the manager until atb least 2014.



As long as we delude ourselves that a new manager will just spend all this money he has refused to spend and re-do the wage structure so we can pay our best players what they ought ot be paid, and llet the Board quietly promote their self0-interests nothing will change one bit. That's pprecisely how we have reached this postion we now find ourselves in.

We have to confront the Club and the Board and the owners on this as it appears that we may well see soon enough that they will not change unless forced to by fear of either losing money or losing face publically for how they made the money they did.

Im not on here often, but Im geting tired - I mean REALLY tired of you spewing out the same 'Its not Wenger, its the board' drivel. Every time. All the time.

Yes, we all know how the board have behaved over the past few years. But just open your eyes for a bit... just look at the motley crew that ARSENE WENGER has assembled. The motley crew that ARSENE WENGER rewards and protects and keeps. Look at the teams we have lost to this season. Its ALL ARSENE WENGERS fault. And just on the point of the board being the villains... who put a loaded gun to Arsenes head and make him not spend the money that was apparently available to him? Arsene is a man that has questionable integrity - a man all to readily set aside his footballing principles of winning all for his £6m a year.

Im prepared to give Kroenke a chance. I idolised Wenger himself - the front of the New Arsenal. The number one. For turning into a board member. His behaviour is criminal - worse than all the board members put together

[frankbutcher]

JUST FUCK OFF MARTIN.

Even if your theory were right, it does not excuse shite defending, a lack of passion in the side and down-right bottling year after year after year. If anything, with a supposed lack of investment in the squad, you would have thought we'd have more fighting spirit.

Wenger has instilled a culture of weakness, a culture where it is ok to blame every other person than yourself when things go wrong, a culture that sees it ok to over-pay unproven mediocrity. That is not the Board's fault.

The playing squads at every age level in the Club are rotten to the core (just go and watch the reserves from time to time to see what I mean). That is one man's fault. And that one man is ARSENE FUCKING WENGER.

[Dan_85]

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... the-summer

"We must be sensible in the summer" Dear God...

[Percy Dalton]

Just seen the deludedc fucktard saaying on Sky that "we cannot afford to buy £50million players".

Nobody is asking you to you fucking penis just players who are worthy of wearing the shirt and who understand the pride doing that!

[TeeCee]

The excuses are already starting guys....better get used to the idea that nothing significant is going to change this summer, Wenger the tyrant does it his way and his way only!

[USMartin]

Im not on here often, but Im geting tired - I mean REALLY tired of you spewing out the same 'Its not Wenger, its the board' drivel. Every time. All the time.

Yes, we all know how the board have behaved over the past few years. But just open your eyes for a bit... just look at the motley crew that ARSENE WENGER has assembled. The motley crew that ARSENE WENGER rewards and protects and keeps. Look at the teams we have lost to this season. Its ALL ARSENE WENGERS fault. And just on the point of the board being the villains... who put a loaded gun to Arsenes head and make him not spend the money that was apparently available to him? Arsene is a man that has questionable integrity - a man all to readily set aside his footballing principles of winning all for his £6m a year.

Im prepared to give Kroenke a chance. I idolised Wenger himself - the front of the New Arsenal. The number one. For turning into a board member. His behaviour is criminal - worse than all the board members put together

Yes which is excatly what they want - give them a chance - a few more years to fleece you and under-invest while enriching themselves. Which is excatly how they did the past several years counting on us to give them the chance to do what they did.

Get as tired of it as you want. But why pretend something that isn't the truth is the truth? How does that make things better at Arsenal? Seriously. How does ignoring what appears to be the real probelm fix the real problem? Or is it just easier or less stressful somehow?

The only way that any sort of positive change - be it a change in management, a change in spending policy, be it change in basic ambtiion from the club , be irt some or all of those things together - will come is if the Board or Stan Kroenke or both decide they want it, and givuing them a chance unconditionally is the last way to get them to want to make those changes. Only some real pressure to make those changes will get those changes made at this point. Should we wait till we are out of the top four? Till we are in fact looking up at s***s in the table? Till the financial consequences leaave us with the choice of dropping to mid-tablke or worse or tempting bankruptcy?

[TeeCee]

The club will not go bankrupt. However, out of the top 4 is more possible than it has ever been, next season. We should all be very concerned about that!

[USMartin]

JUST FUCK OFF MARTIN.

Even if your theory were right, it does not excuse shite defending, a lack of passion in the side and down-right bottling year after year after year. If anything, with a supposed lack of investment in the squad, you would have thought we'd have more fighting spirit.

Wenger has instilled a culture of weakness, a culture where it is ok to blame every other person than yourself when things go wrong, a culture that sees it ok to over-pay unproven mediocrity. That is not the Board's fault.

The playing squads at every age level in the Club are rotten to the core (just go and watch the reserves from time to time to see what I mean). That is one man's fault. And that one man is ARSENE FUCKING WENGER.

So then the success from 1998-2005 is solely down to one man - Arsene Wenger no? Or at the very least the success from 2002-2005 is down solely to one man and again that is Arsene Wenger, no?

Or was he forced to manage against his own priciples for nearly a decade when he was the most sought-after manager on earth? Was he forced to spend more for players and to have a more realistic wage structure that rewarded experience and achievement rather than protect potential profitability?

Readuing this it sounds like you would rather have us become the new Everton, while too many supporters already want is to be the new s***s. I want us to be Arsenal again, and there isn't some simple solution for that no matter how badly you want to believe there is - no one will just restore pride in Arsenal on the pitch overnight if top four is our goal still.

Getting rid of the manager for the sake of feeling a little better for awhile will not make Arsenal better on its own and no one who understands football or any professional sport can name one instance where in fact that has happened. Can you get better attitude? Absolutely but not from these players so long as there is no ambition to actually achieve anything but a higher profit or healtheir balance sheet. So you are calling for a better attitude from younger and probably less accomplished players then.

There iis no simple solution and telling me to fuck off won't change that.

What do you want from Arsenal Frank?

[frankbutcher]

JUST FUCK OFF MARTIN.

Even if your theory were right, it does not excuse shite defending, a lack of passion in the side and down-right bottling year after year after year. If anything, with a supposed lack of investment in the squad, you would have thought we'd have more fighting spirit.

Wenger has instilled a culture of weakness, a culture where it is ok to blame every other person than yourself when things go wrong, a culture that sees it ok to over-pay unproven mediocrity. That is not the Board's fault.

The playing squads at every age level in the Club are rotten to the core (just go and watch the reserves from time to time to see what I mean). That is one man's fault. And that one man is ARSENE FUCKING WENGER.

So then the success from 1998-2005 is solely down to one man - Arsene Wenger no? Or at the very least the success from 2002-2005 is down solely to one man and again that is Arsene Wenger, no?

Or was he forced to manage against his own priciples for nearly a decade when he was the most sought-after manager on earth? Was he forced to spend more for players and to have a more realistic wage structure that rewarded experience and achievement rather than protect potential profitability?

Readuing this it sounds like you would rather have us become the new Everton, while too many supporters already want is to be the new s***s. I want us to be Arsenal again, and there isn't some simple solution for that no matter how badly you want to believe there is - no one will just restore pride in Arsenal on the pitch overnight if top four is our goal still.

Getting rid of the manager for the sake of feeling a little better for awhile will not make Arsenal better on its own and no one who understands football or any professional sport can name one instance where in fact that has happened. Can you get better attitude? Absolutely but not from these players so long as there is no ambition to actually achieve anything but a higher profit or healtheir balance sheet. So you are calling for a better attitude from younger and probably less accomplished players then.

There iis no simple solution and telling me to fuck off won't change that.

What do you want from Arsenal Frank?

1998 - 2005............. He brought sport science and athletes to the Premier League. He also inherited a great defence.

EVERY PREMIER LEAGUE MANAGER HAS CAUGHT UP WITH HIM. HE HASN'T ADAPTED TO THE ERA.

WENGER OUT!

[mcdowell42]

was just watching highlights of todays games on irish tv when the panel of commentators started talking about arsenal.Ray houghton was saying rumour has it arsene will be breaking arsenals transfer record not once but twice in the summer in quick succesion but he didnt mention who though i wonder is that all bullshit.

[USMartin]

1998 - 2005............. He brought sport science and athletes to the Premier League. He also inherited a great defence.

EVERY PREMIER LEAGUE MANAGER HAS CAUGHT UP WITH HIM. HE HASN'T ADAPTED TO THE ERA.

WENGER OUT!

Excuse me - he inherited Sol Campbell, Kolo Toure,Ashley Cole, and, Lauren as well as Jens Lehmann the defence of the Invincibles, the back four that won five of the seven trophies we won from 1998-2005? He inherited Patrick Vieira, Gilberto Silva, Emmanuel Petit and Edu who protected all those defences from 1998-2000 in Petit's case and from 2003-2005 in Gilberto Silva's case? Vieira winning six of the seven trophies, Petit two and Silva three?

Are you sure you want to stand by that claim? He just inherited a quality defence and that was that?

Can you say with certainty he has had the needed tools to adapt since clearly money is one of those tools like it or not. Many of the other tools are originally his embraced by other clubs. Maybe with more money to buy better players he might have adjusted better to other teams working the way Arsenal was working, no?

[frankbutcher]

1998 - 2005............. He brought sport science and athletes to the Premier League. He also inherited a great defence.

EVERY PREMIER LEAGUE MANAGER HAS CAUGHT UP WITH HIM. HE HASN'T ADAPTED TO THE ERA.

WENGER OUT!

Excuse me - he inherited Sol Campbell, Kolo Toure,Ashley Cole, and, Lauren as well as Jens Lehmann the defence of the Invincibles, the back four that won five of the seven trophies we won from 1998-2005? He inherited Patrick Vieira, Gilberto Silva, Emmanuel Petit and Edu who protected all those defences from 1998-2000 in Petit's case and from 2003-2005 in Gilberto Silva's case? Vieira winning six of the seven trophies, Petit two and Silva three?

Are you sure you want to stand by that claim? He just inherited a quality defence and that was that?

Can you say with certainty he has had the needed tools to adapt since clearly money is one of those tools like it or not. Many of the other tools are originally his embraced by other clubs. Maybe with more money to buy better players he might have adjusted better to other teams working the way Arsenal was working, no?

:finger:

[StuartL]

"We'll spend IF WE NEED TO" !

Implying that actually we don't need to.

It should be "We'll spend what we need to" in order to give this talented but lazy and ill disciplined bunch the shake up it requires.

[USMartin]

1998 - 2005............. He brought sport science and athletes to the Premier League. He also inherited a great defence.

EVERY PREMIER LEAGUE MANAGER HAS CAUGHT UP WITH HIM. HE HASN'T ADAPTED TO THE ERA.

WENGER OUT!

Excuse me - he inherited Sol Campbell, Kolo Toure,Ashley Cole, and, Lauren as well as Jens Lehmann the defence of the Invincibles, the back four that won five of the seven trophies we won from 1998-2005? He inherited Patrick Vieira, Gilberto Silva, Emmanuel Petit and Edu who protected all those defences from 1998-2000 in Petit's case and from 2003-2005 in Gilberto Silva's case? Vieira winning six of the seven trophies, Petit two and Silva three?

Are you sure you want to stand by that claim? He just inherited a quality defence and that was that?

Can you say with certainty he has had the needed tools to adapt since clearly money is one of those tools like it or not. Many of the other tools are originally his embraced by other clubs. Maybe with more money to buy better players he might have adjusted better to other teams working the way Arsenal was working, no?

:finger:

I guess that's your way of admitting you might be wrong then...