WE'LL SPEND IF WE HAVE TO - WENGER

[frankbutcher]

1998 - 2005............. He brought sport science and athletes to the Premier League. He also inherited a great defence.

EVERY PREMIER LEAGUE MANAGER HAS CAUGHT UP WITH HIM. HE HASN'T ADAPTED TO THE ERA.

WENGER OUT!

Excuse me - he inherited Sol Campbell, Kolo Toure,Ashley Cole, and, Lauren as well as Jens Lehmann the defence of the Invincibles, the back four that won five of the seven trophies we won from 1998-2005? He inherited Patrick Vieira, Gilberto Silva, Emmanuel Petit and Edu who protected all those defences from 1998-2000 in Petit's case and from 2003-2005 in Gilberto Silva's case? Vieira winning six of the seven trophies, Petit two and Silva three?

Are you sure you want to stand by that claim? He just inherited a quality defence and that was that?

Can you say with certainty he has had the needed tools to adapt since clearly money is one of those tools like it or not. Many of the other tools are originally his embraced by other clubs. Maybe with more money to buy better players he might have adjusted better to other teams working the way Arsenal was working, no?

:finger:

I guess that's your way of admitting you might be wrong then...

I'm not going to bother arguing with you.

[MK Gould]

1998 - 2005............. He brought sport science and athletes to the Premier League. He also inherited a great defence.

EVERY PREMIER LEAGUE MANAGER HAS CAUGHT UP WITH HIM. HE HASN'T ADAPTED TO THE ERA.

WENGER OUT!

Excuse me - he inherited Sol Campbell, Kolo Toure,Ashley Cole, and, Lauren as well as Jens Lehmann the defence of the Invincibles, the back four that won five of the seven trophies we won from 1998-2005? He inherited Patrick Vieira, Gilberto Silva, Emmanuel Petit and Edu who protected all those defences from 1998-2000 in Petit's case and from 2003-2005 in Gilberto Silva's case? Vieira winning six of the seven trophies, Petit two and Silva three?

Are you sure you want to stand by that claim? He just inherited a quality defence and that was that?

Can you say with certainty he has had the needed tools to adapt since clearly money is one of those tools like it or not. Many of the other tools are originally his embraced by other clubs. Maybe with more money to buy better players he might have adjusted better to other teams working the way Arsenal was working, no?

:finger:

I guess that's your way of admitting you might be wrong then...

Frank knew he was wrong before you even responded.... The FACT that Wenger has been (and therefore may be again!) a great Manager for us in years gone by just doesn't fit with the "Wenger out" brigades view of the world.

[biglunn]

"We'll spend IF WE NEED TO" !

Implying that actually we don't need to.

It should be "We'll spend what we need to" in order to give this talented but lazy and ill disciplined bunch the shake up it requires.

We all know Wenger is partially blind, but this really does show him up to be the stubborn idiot he has become. Really patronising to intelligent fans actually, much like a lot of tripe that he comes out with. I mentioned it before - Mourinho, Wenger (manager)) & Fergie try to out-psych the refs and opponents... Wenger (boardmember) tries to outpsych the ordinary fans. Disgraceful. Of course, the less intelligent fans dont see it this way.....

I suppose USMartin will blame the board for putting a gun to Wengers head to say this. Much like the board putting a gun to Wengers head forcing him to keep Almunia in goal for all these years, and of course the excuse of not making signings as they would 'kill' Denilson & Diaby.... Or what about us getting knocked out by Birmingham City in a cup final - a team that got relegated today... oh that must be the boards fault....

I honestly think USMartin is either Wenger himself or Wengers agent! He is stuck in the glory of 1997-2005 and simply cannot comprehend that Wenger isnt cutting it anymore - IM TALKING ABOUT ON THE PITCH, NOT IN THE BOARDROOM! He conveniently 'forgets' games like the Newcastle 4-4.... like to see him divert the blame the board for that disgraceful game.

[TeeCee]

Wenger will never win another trophy with Arsenal. He's incapable of admitting there are problems and if he can't see any problems, he won't be fixing them.
He stated he had to improve the defence before this season and yet he went out and bought one journeyman who wasn't even a regular for his club and a one season wonder who had just come out of the lower leagues, in a French league that is of a very poor standard.
He has stated every year for the past few years...and again a few days ago, that according to him, the most important thing is to keep this group of players together. Where is the logic in keeping a group of players who continually fail, together? Seriously, it is quite mad to want to keep a bunch of losers and under-performers together isn't it?
Let's be totally honest, if Wenger had not made such a profit on Anelka, Petit/Overmars, Toure and Adebywhore he would be out of a job, right now, because the ONLY thing keeping him employed is his financial dealings for the past 6 years.
They says geniuses are flawed. Many people said Wenger was a genius during his first few years, and now we are seeing the huge flaws in his persona.
This isn't a blip Arsenal are going through, it's a sustained period of failure, false promise and bad management (from a footballing point of view).

[FrenchGun]

Martin, with all due respect, I think I need to enlighten you a little....

You always talk about the board getting money in their pocket and not caring about the sporting results.... Well it's true! But let's be honnest. It's their job!!!!

As owners of the Brand "arsenal", it's their job to make sure the company is healthy. As board members and investors, they only care about money coming in for the money they invested originally.

On the other hand, it is the coaches job to make the team competitive.

So, to sum it up, board = money incoming, coach = sporting results. IMO, the board are doing their job pretty well, as they have a good income, while the coach, who is supposed to take interest in sporting results obviously doesn't do his job very well...

[USMartin]

Martin, with all due respect, I think I need to enlighten you a little....

You always talk about the board getting money in their pocket and not caring about the sporting results.... Well it's true! But let's be honnest. It's their job!!!!

As owners of the Brand "arsenal", it's their job to make sure the company is healthy. As board members and investors, they only care about money coming in for the money they invested originally.

On the other hand, it is the coaches job to make the team competitive.

So, to sum it up, board = money incoming, coach = sporting results. IMO, the board are doing their job pretty well, as they have a good income, while the coach, who is supposed to take interest in sporting results obviously doesn't do his job very well...

No need to enlighten me - I'm not the one who has said our Board were supporters like us or had Arsenal in their blood and hearts. They were, so they need to be enlightened apparently as well as alot of Gooners - oh wait they were lying to us when they said that...oh well it all makes sense then.

If people just would say Our Board acted in its own interest and undermined our ability to compete at the highest level we could because it made the club and thus made them money I would say fine they are why we have declined as we have and we all could and we could relax for a bit because we know what is wrong and why.

But too many Gooners cling to this idealized nottion of Arsenal representing a greater tradtion and greater values than all other clubs even right now and the Board is responsible for insuring the Club does so, and they can't face the notion that the Board acted just like another bunch of greedy businessmen because it undermines that idealized vision of Arsenal and the Arsenal Way.

[FrenchGun]

Martin, with all due respect, I think I need to enlighten you a little....

You always talk about the board getting money in their pocket and not caring about the sporting results.... Well it's true! But let's be honnest. It's their job!!!!

As owners of the Brand "arsenal", it's their job to make sure the company is healthy. As board members and investors, they only care about money coming in for the money they invested originally.

On the other hand, it is the coaches job to make the team competitive.

So, to sum it up, board = money incoming, coach = sporting results. IMO, the board are doing their job pretty well, as they have a good income, while the coach, who is supposed to take interest in sporting results obviously doesn't do his job very well...

No need to enlighten me - I'm not the one who has said our Board were supporters like us or had Arsenal in their blood and hearts. They were, so they need to be enlightened apparently as well as alot of Gooners - oh wait they were lying to us when they said that...oh well it all makes sense then.

If people just would say Our Board acted in its own interest and undermined our ability to compete at the highest level we could because it made the club and thus made them money I would say fine they are why we have declined as we have and we all could and we could relax for a bit because we know what is wrong and why.

But too many Gooners cling to this idealized nottion of Arsenal representing a greater tradtion and greater values than all other clubs even right now and the Board is responsible for insuring the Club does so, and they can't face the notion that the Board acted just like another bunch of greedy businessmen because it undermines that idealized vision of Arsenal and the Arsenal Way.

ok... Im may have used the wrong expression when I said "i'll enlighten you". I didn't mean to sound pedantic...

But! if you agree with me, then you can't keep on blaming the board since they are just doing their job, which means, making sure the money they investested comes back.

Correct me if I'm wrong; but your opinon has always been that the board were to blame, because we are not competitive as a sports club... But IMO, it's the coach's job to make us competitive in a "sport" way, while the board's job is to make us competitive as a company, meaning in a "economic" way.

So IMO, we are competitive economically, as we have the same incomes as the Man U, the Chavs, or even Real... But we are not competitive as a "football club", because in the end our manager refuses to invest...

I see where you're going whn you say the board is to blame because they're happy with Wenger and the way he acts... But in the end, they have every right to be happy about Wenger because, he makes their investement worth it!!!

[USMartin]

Martin, with all due respect, I think I need to enlighten you a little....

You always talk about the board getting money in their pocket and not caring about the sporting results.... Well it's true! But let's be honnest. It's their job!!!!

As owners of the Brand "arsenal", it's their job to make sure the company is healthy. As board members and investors, they only care about money coming in for the money they invested originally.

On the other hand, it is the coaches job to make the team competitive.

So, to sum it up, board = money incoming, coach = sporting results. IMO, the board are doing their job pretty well, as they have a good income, while the coach, who is supposed to take interest in sporting results obviously doesn't do his job very well...

No need to enlighten me - I'm not the one who has said our Board were supporters like us or had Arsenal in their blood and hearts. They were, so they need to be enlightened apparently as well as alot of Gooners - oh wait they were lying to us when they said that...oh well it all makes sense then.

If people just would say Our Board acted in its own interest and undermined our ability to compete at the highest level we could because it made the club and thus made them money I would say fine they are why we have declined as we have and we all could and we could relax for a bit because we know what is wrong and why.

But too many Gooners cling to this idealized nottion of Arsenal representing a greater tradtion and greater values than all other clubs even right now and the Board is responsible for insuring the Club does so, and they can't face the notion that the Board acted just like another bunch of greedy businessmen because it undermines that idealized vision of Arsenal and the Arsenal Way.

ok... Im may have used the wrong expression when I said "i'll enlighten you". I didn't mean to sound pedantic...

But! if you agree with me, then you can't keep on blaming the board since they are just doing their job, which means, making sure the money they investested comes back.

Correct me if I'm wrong; but your opinon has always been that the board were to blame, because we are not competitive as a sports club... But IMO, it's the coach's job to make us competitive in a "sport" way, while the board's job is to make us competitive as a company, meaning in a "economic" way.

So IMO, we are competitive economically, as we have the same incomes as the Man U, the Chavs, or even Real... But we are not competitive as a "football club", because in the end our manager refuses to invest...

I see where you're going whn you say the board is to blame because they're happy with Wenger and the way he acts... But in the end, they have every right to be happy about Wenger because, he makes their investement worth it!!!

Not really - the whole issue is whjether Arsenal Football Club is a football club that represents the communities of Highbury and Islington and wider North London and supporters throughout the World or jusdt a business representing the owners of the company.

But no matter which way you look at it ultimately the Board in my mind made the decisions bears the resposnibiltiy and the brunt of the blame even if you understand why they nade those decisions how they made them and why they would have made them. It still is the cause of ourdecline theyfore they are to blame for that decline even if I might if ran Arsenal purely as a business investment make thise same decisions - I would then be to blame if they cost us success on the pitch.

It's also a bit rich to call the likes of Pweter Hill-Wood and Lady Bracewell-Smith or the most recent Carr family members at the club investors since frankly they never put a penny into Arsenal of their own in any way at all.

[USMartin]

Oh and no worries FG, - it didn't sound pedantic or anything...I understand how you could conclude as you did how I view our Board and its role at Arsenal.

[Bergkamp-Genius]

http://sport.uk.msn.com/football/news/a ... =157739760

Arsene Wenger saw his side's season end on a low-key note with a draw against Fulham and promptly heaped more frustration on Arsenal fans by admitting the club cannot compete with the big guns in the transfer market.

Arsenal have demonstrated potential for a number of years but rather than deliver this season, they have arguably regressed with a fourth-placed finish.

The Gunners' awful run of form in the final weeks of the season saw them slip to fourth which brings with it an early start to next season in Champions League qualification.

Wenger had to listen to fans vent their frustration and although understanding their concerns, his words are only likely to bring more upset.

"The fans have the right to chant," Wenger said. "They are not happy, I'm not happy and we have to accept that. But we also don't have to go overboard.

"Maybe one year you will realise it's not as easy to finish every time in the top four."

Wenger has suggested he will enter the transfer market this summer, but he is likely to be shopping in a different store to the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City.

"Even if people say you have to spend money, we still have to be realistic," Wenger said. "We can't buy players for £50 million. Even if we try to strengthen our team and spend money if needed, that is a fact."





Jeeesus Christ...The same shit every transfer window..it starts off with an admission we need to strengthen, which is followed by we have money to spend, which is then followed by we'll only buy the right players, which is followed by we won't just throw money at the right players to get them..Then this old gem, quoting ridiculous amounts of money that no one has ever suggested he should spend, insinuating we are all a bit too stupid to understand we can't go out and spend 50m on a player...
Which of course is then followed by not dealing with our weaknesses, not buying anyone of consequence or buying someone inferior and cheaper to someone we have just sold..

I had hoped that the change of ownership and the painfully obvious need for strengthening would have finally forced the b*stards hand...but it's all sounding very familiar already and we are not even in to June...I had said he should have til September to do the necessary but he is already showing he still hasn't got the message and he still thinks we are all stupid....Just go for f*cks sake..