Good article....
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Re: Good article....
GoonerGonnaGetYa wrote:http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature/_/ ... ns?cc=5739
That is an excellent right on the button article
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GoonerGonnaGetYa
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I will confess initially to not reading the link, but from the title I can guess where it's going. There are more than a million of those articles kicking around and quite frankly I'm getting bored of listening to all these pen-pushers wondering why AW hasn't been sacked.
They're the same a-holes that will tell us 'We've never had it so good' when we ask for AW's head.
As far as Ancelotti is concerned, he knew the score when he joined that club, the expectations from the owner are high and as such are well rewarded, even when the owner perceives you to have failed.
He did brilliantluy when he had a good squad last year and when it was depelted slightly and for the first time in a long time they had injuries to 2 key players at the same time, the team collapsed spectacularly.
Don't give me that Ray Wilkins bollocks, they lost their 2 biggest contributors of goals and Ancelotti couldn't motivate one of the most expensively assembled teams to beat Wolves
If 'nice man Carlo' wanted to keep Wilkins that badly, why didn't he stand up for his star man....check out his bank balance for your answer.
This is the same man that lost a Champions league final while 3nil up
In 8 years he won the title in Milan ONCE, he won 2 champs leaue titles, one because the dippers didn't turn up and the 1st one, for anyone that remembers watching it against Juve was truly one of the worst, most boring finals ever. Even worse than the Brazil v Italy WC final of 94' and that takes some doing.
Amazing feat last year winning the double but the most amazing thing about the Chavs is (and till he departs always will be) the Russian.
That team can win regardless of the manager because the Russian has bought a very good team.
All the manager does at that club is motivate(Mourinho,Ancelotti sometimes,Hiddink), tinkers about(Ranieri) or stands by clueless and let the players get on with it(Grant). But even he would be a champions league winning manager if Terry hadn't fallen on his fat a**e
They're the same a-holes that will tell us 'We've never had it so good' when we ask for AW's head.
As far as Ancelotti is concerned, he knew the score when he joined that club, the expectations from the owner are high and as such are well rewarded, even when the owner perceives you to have failed.
He did brilliantluy when he had a good squad last year and when it was depelted slightly and for the first time in a long time they had injuries to 2 key players at the same time, the team collapsed spectacularly.
Don't give me that Ray Wilkins bollocks, they lost their 2 biggest contributors of goals and Ancelotti couldn't motivate one of the most expensively assembled teams to beat Wolves
If 'nice man Carlo' wanted to keep Wilkins that badly, why didn't he stand up for his star man....check out his bank balance for your answer.
This is the same man that lost a Champions league final while 3nil up
In 8 years he won the title in Milan ONCE, he won 2 champs leaue titles, one because the dippers didn't turn up and the 1st one, for anyone that remembers watching it against Juve was truly one of the worst, most boring finals ever. Even worse than the Brazil v Italy WC final of 94' and that takes some doing.
Amazing feat last year winning the double but the most amazing thing about the Chavs is (and till he departs always will be) the Russian.
That team can win regardless of the manager because the Russian has bought a very good team.
All the manager does at that club is motivate(Mourinho,Ancelotti sometimes,Hiddink), tinkers about(Ranieri) or stands by clueless and let the players get on with it(Grant). But even he would be a champions league winning manager if Terry hadn't fallen on his fat a**e
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well at least he won 2 Champion league cups and lost a final eve if the games were easy or any other reason,I used to think a lot of Wenger as a coach but he also has won the PL 3 times in 15 years!!! that is not a very good record and it saddens me when he could have avoided getting his name muddied up and spilitting the fans by just spending,i mean even buying a player who turns out to be shite but at least showing intent!!! Instead of getting all these freebie and rubbish second tier players.Mr Wenger got short arms and deep pockets!topgoon wrote:I will confess initially to not reading the link, but from the title I can guess where it's going. There are more than a million of those articles kicking around and quite frankly I'm getting bored of listening to all these pen-pushers wondering why AW hasn't been sacked.
They're the same a-holes that will tell us 'We've never had it so good' when we ask for AW's head.
As far as Ancelotti is concerned, he knew the score when he joined that club, the expectations from the owner are high and as such are well rewarded, even when the owner perceives you to have failed.
He did brilliantluy when he had a good squad last year and when it was depelted slightly and for the first time in a long time they had injuries to 2 key players at the same time, the team collapsed spectacularly.
Don't give me that Ray Wilkins bollocks, they lost their 2 biggest contributors of goals and Ancelotti couldn't motivate one of the most expensively assembled teams to beat Wolves
If 'nice man Carlo' wanted to keep Wilkins that badly, why didn't he stand up for his star man....check out his bank balance for your answer.
This is the same man that lost a Champions league final while 3nil up
In 8 years he won the title in Milan ONCE, he won 2 champs leaue titles, one because the dippers didn't turn up and the 1st one, for anyone that remembers watching it against Juve was truly one of the worst, most boring finals ever. Even worse than the Brazil v Italy WC final of 94' and that takes some doing.
Amazing feat last year winning the double but the most amazing thing about the Chavs is (and till he departs always will be) the Russian.
That team can win regardless of the manager because the Russian has bought a very good team.
All the manager does at that club is motivate(Mourinho,Ancelotti sometimes,Hiddink), tinkers about(Ranieri) or stands by clueless and let the players get on with it(Grant). But even he would be a champions league winning manager if Terry hadn't fallen on his fat a**e
My point is we all know AW is this that and the other most of us on here have been saying it for a few years now whilst the media are now cottoning on to it. So who cares how many articles they write but when they do write them, it's good to give it some balance.GoonerGonnaGetYa wrote:well at least he won 2 Champion league cups and lost a final eve if the games were easy or any other reason,I used to think a lot of Wenger as a coach but he also has won the PL 3 times in 15 years!!! that is not a very good record and it saddens me when he could have avoided getting his name muddied up and spilitting the fans by just spending,i mean even buying a player who turns out to be shite but at least showing intent!!! Instead of getting all these freebie and rubbish second tier players.Mr Wenger got short arms and deep pockets!topgoon wrote:I will confess initially to not reading the link, but from the title I can guess where it's going. There are more than a million of those articles kicking around and quite frankly I'm getting bored of listening to all these pen-pushers wondering why AW hasn't been sacked.
They're the same a-holes that will tell us 'We've never had it so good' when we ask for AW's head.
As far as Ancelotti is concerned, he knew the score when he joined that club, the expectations from the owner are high and as such are well rewarded, even when the owner perceives you to have failed.
He did brilliantluy when he had a good squad last year and when it was depelted slightly and for the first time in a long time they had injuries to 2 key players at the same time, the team collapsed spectacularly.
Don't give me that Ray Wilkins bollocks, they lost their 2 biggest contributors of goals and Ancelotti couldn't motivate one of the most expensively assembled teams to beat Wolves
If 'nice man Carlo' wanted to keep Wilkins that badly, why didn't he stand up for his star man....check out his bank balance for your answer.
This is the same man that lost a Champions league final while 3nil up
In 8 years he won the title in Milan ONCE, he won 2 champs leaue titles, one because the dippers didn't turn up and the 1st one, for anyone that remembers watching it against Juve was truly one of the worst, most boring finals ever. Even worse than the Brazil v Italy WC final of 94' and that takes some doing.
Amazing feat last year winning the double but the most amazing thing about the Chavs is (and till he departs always will be) the Russian.
That team can win regardless of the manager because the Russian has bought a very good team.
All the manager does at that club is motivate(Mourinho,Ancelotti sometimes,Hiddink), tinkers about(Ranieri) or stands by clueless and let the players get on with it(Grant). But even he would be a champions league winning manager if Terry hadn't fallen on his fat a**e
For the job and the position he is in and with that squad, Ancelotti has failed this season at Chelsea, they won nowt.
We unfortunately are blessed with a manger that's told every season that his prority is to get to the 30 million pound making Champs league group stage, anythingh else is a bonus. In their eyes he's successful, if not in our eyes.
Ancelotti was hired to get to at least a champions league final and in the 2 years he's been here, he's not gotten close. The final insult for the russian is probably seeing the most shit United team pip them to the title by 8 points.
Whilst our easily pleased board will be(hopefully they think) bean counting the profits from another champs league group stage. That sadly is considered a success.
Then again I wouldn't mind our back up CB's being Alex/Ivanovic, CM's being Ramirez, Striker being Torres and Ross Turnbull is better than our 2nd and 3rd choice goalies.
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Who's to know how truthful that article actually is(?) We all know that the Wenger part is mostly correct, but the rest of the crap...ffs people get a grip. I'm sure the author couldn't find any transfer rumours, so he brought out his "unanamous truths" card.
Just a few quotes from the article:
...as old as the hills
and as if the article wasn't funny enough, this gem pops up
There are a few more points, but I don't want to get into a discussion regarding crap like the chelski manager...they can all fuck off for all I care, but does anyone else get the feeling that this article was written buy Carlos parents who just feel their kid was robbed...lol 
Just a few quotes from the article:
All gooners know thisBecause Wenger is unwilling to find a reasonable understudy for the excellent Robin Van Persie, he is sabotaging his team.
Wenger acknowledges he has money in his pocket, he just doesn't feel it burning.
...as old as the hillsAs if we still didn't knowWenger has taken a philosophical standpoint to the edge of becoming a psychological handicap. His refrain is financial prudence, but that prudence is now stubbornness. It's not that he can't spend money because there isn't any, it's that he won't spend money so he can prove a point.
Yeah, becos a title winning squad is so hard to manageAncelotti stoically dealt with those placed upon him. Chelsea performed admirably last season to win the league and cup double, but this was a squad in need of renewal.
lesser squad.....I believe himAncelotti had been asked to achieve the same success, at least, with a lesser squad. Younger players were promoted into a side that had leaders like John Terry and Frank Lampard, but no bridge of players in their twenties to form the next assertive generation.
Like all managers do....complain about the squad they inherited...OT but Woy never didAncelotti did not complain, or pontificate that by relying on youth he had a moral superiority, but instead he insisted he had a strong squad
and as if the article wasn't funny enough, this gem pops up
as much as I like Torres for his skills and dislike the crunt for his personality, calling him an obstacle is just pathetic.An obstacle in the shape of Fernando Torres.
There are a few more points, but I don't want to get into a discussion regarding crap like the chelski manager...they can all fuck off for all I care, but does anyone else get the feeling that this article was written buy Carlos parents who just feel their kid was robbed...lol
That is a pretty good article, and it hits the nail on the head with regards to criticism of Wenger when it states "it's not that he can't spend money because there isn't any, it's that he won't spend money so he can prove a point". That is exactly how I see Wenger's outlook, and for me it is absolutely unacceptable.
Whether you are a great coach like Wenger or a young lad learning his trade in charge of Rochdale, your remit is the same and that is to operate within your budgets and do your best to bring success to your club as soon as you can and as often as you can. If Wenger has a budget that he isnt using, then as far as I am concerned he isnt properly carrying out his job. By all means if he believes in youth try his project for 2 years or 3 years if he thinks big money signings are more bother than they are worth, but when it becomes obvious that it isnt working, he has a duty to change his tact and purchase the players that everyone can see Arsenal are crying out for.
When it is obvious that a club needs something, and the manager stubbornly refuses to do it, it suggests to me that the manager has a fairly major ego problem and sees himself as bigger than the club, unwilling to show signs of "weakness" by admitting that maybe his plan isnt perfect. When a lack of forthcoming success is then "accounted for" with excuse after excuse, you tend to think that maybe the manager is actually losing the plot and is starting to believe his own hype. Wenger probably has to go.
As for Ancelotti, it is fairly easy to feel sorry for him, he seems a canny lad and all that but, as has been mentioned, you know what you are letting yourself in for when you agree to work for Abramovich. I might be wrong, but I dont think he wanted Torres (and if he had a budget I'm almost certain he wouldnt have thought him worth £50m), it reeked to me of Abramovich desperately trying to show that he still has power despite the surge of Man City with their billionaires. Ancelotti was happy to allow Torres to come in when managers with principles would have walked. In fact, being prepared to accept the job in the first place knowing that Abramovich would want his say in the running of the club reflects badly on Ancelotti as far as I'm concerned. When you accept the massive money on offer at Chelsea, you accept the interference of the owner, and you accept that any failure will be paid for with your job, but then you're no doubt happy to accept that because you know your contract will be paid up, you will be even more set for life financially, and you can go on to manage somewhere else.
Wenger and Ancelotti are almost polar opposites- one spending loads of money with loads of interference from the owner and ridiculously harsh expectations, the other spending nothing, having the complete run of a club and seemingly no expectations (I heard no rumours that Wenger would be sacked if Arsenal failed even to get top 4 for instance). The two clubs are ran completely differently and to be honest, at this point whilst being so different, they look very similar in terms of being models of how a football club should not be ran
Whether you are a great coach like Wenger or a young lad learning his trade in charge of Rochdale, your remit is the same and that is to operate within your budgets and do your best to bring success to your club as soon as you can and as often as you can. If Wenger has a budget that he isnt using, then as far as I am concerned he isnt properly carrying out his job. By all means if he believes in youth try his project for 2 years or 3 years if he thinks big money signings are more bother than they are worth, but when it becomes obvious that it isnt working, he has a duty to change his tact and purchase the players that everyone can see Arsenal are crying out for.
When it is obvious that a club needs something, and the manager stubbornly refuses to do it, it suggests to me that the manager has a fairly major ego problem and sees himself as bigger than the club, unwilling to show signs of "weakness" by admitting that maybe his plan isnt perfect. When a lack of forthcoming success is then "accounted for" with excuse after excuse, you tend to think that maybe the manager is actually losing the plot and is starting to believe his own hype. Wenger probably has to go.
As for Ancelotti, it is fairly easy to feel sorry for him, he seems a canny lad and all that but, as has been mentioned, you know what you are letting yourself in for when you agree to work for Abramovich. I might be wrong, but I dont think he wanted Torres (and if he had a budget I'm almost certain he wouldnt have thought him worth £50m), it reeked to me of Abramovich desperately trying to show that he still has power despite the surge of Man City with their billionaires. Ancelotti was happy to allow Torres to come in when managers with principles would have walked. In fact, being prepared to accept the job in the first place knowing that Abramovich would want his say in the running of the club reflects badly on Ancelotti as far as I'm concerned. When you accept the massive money on offer at Chelsea, you accept the interference of the owner, and you accept that any failure will be paid for with your job, but then you're no doubt happy to accept that because you know your contract will be paid up, you will be even more set for life financially, and you can go on to manage somewhere else.
Wenger and Ancelotti are almost polar opposites- one spending loads of money with loads of interference from the owner and ridiculously harsh expectations, the other spending nothing, having the complete run of a club and seemingly no expectations (I heard no rumours that Wenger would be sacked if Arsenal failed even to get top 4 for instance). The two clubs are ran completely differently and to be honest, at this point whilst being so different, they look very similar in terms of being models of how a football club should not be ran
I'm with topgoon on this one. The article points out an incongruence, Wenger's seeming failure and Acelotti's seeming success in comparison, and the fact that it is Ancelotti that was fired. It doesn't go into the expectations and demands placed by the owners on the manager. Abromovich probably wasn't born a Chelsea fan but he acts like one. He wants trophies, he wants the best players, its his club and if you don't succeed you are out. Like any Chelsea fan now, just qualifying for the CL is not enough. Like any Arsenal fan just qualifying for the CL is not enough, but for our board it seems it is. But then again, who would want to face paying off Wenger's contract when there is no immediate disaster on the horizon. Stadium is full, money from CL and EPL is coming in why risk change?
Roman is rich enough to sling a few million at a manager he has taken a dislike to just to fuck off.
Roman is rich enough to sling a few million at a manager he has taken a dislike to just to fuck off.
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Correct me if Im wrong, but have some board members, gazidis, and Boadmember Wenger himself not said explicitly that money is available? If Boardmember Wenger himself has said so, and money actually hasnt been available, does that make him a stonefaced disrespectful liar? If things are so bad, Id like to see him embarrased taking home £6m a year...Herd wrote:Another steaming pile of hotspur article comparing apples with oranges . Nobody knows if Arsene has had money to spend or not .
Besides, money is there to pay the likes of Almunia, Denilson, Eboue Rosicky and Diaby for all these years - that cost a fair few pounds. And despite being 'free', I bet the likes of Silvestre cost a fair amount of money!
I'd lay money that the article was just a cut'n'paste job from onlinegooner just before his deadline..... It certainly wasn't well written or insightful and said absolutely nothing we don't already know.
Abramovitch plays with Chelsea like it's his toy. Totally ignoring the thousands of fans who pay top dollar each week to see them play. If he really cared about the club - as opposed to his own ego - then he would still have Mourinho in charge. They'd have certainly have won the CL by now if they had! And if he really, really loved the club then he'd use some of him millions on reducing ticket prices!
I can understand some who question whether Ancelolti was the right man for the job. But Abramovitch obviously thought he was so ridiculous to sack him so soon. Far from showing how ruthless he is in wanting Chelsea to win it just shows how f*cking stupid he is and how much he doesn't know about football!
It may or may not be the time now for Wenger to go.....but I'd still prefer to keep him a year or two too long than have a merry go round of a new manager every other year!
Abramovitch plays with Chelsea like it's his toy. Totally ignoring the thousands of fans who pay top dollar each week to see them play. If he really cared about the club - as opposed to his own ego - then he would still have Mourinho in charge. They'd have certainly have won the CL by now if they had! And if he really, really loved the club then he'd use some of him millions on reducing ticket prices!
I can understand some who question whether Ancelolti was the right man for the job. But Abramovitch obviously thought he was so ridiculous to sack him so soon. Far from showing how ruthless he is in wanting Chelsea to win it just shows how f*cking stupid he is and how much he doesn't know about football!
It may or may not be the time now for Wenger to go.....but I'd still prefer to keep him a year or two too long than have a merry go round of a new manager every other year!
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MK Gould wrote:I'd lay money that the article was just a cut'n'paste job from onlinegooner just before his deadline..... It certainly wasn't well written or insightful and said absolutely nothing we don't already know.
Abramovitch plays with Chelsea like it's his toy. Totally ignoring the thousands of fans who pay top dollar each week to see them play. If he really cared about the club - as opposed to his own ego - then he would still have Mourinho in charge. They'd have certainly have won the CL by now if they had! And if he really, really loved the club then he'd use some of him millions on reducing ticket prices!
I can understand some who question whether Ancelolti was the right man for the job. But Abramovitch obviously thought he was so ridiculous to sack him so soon. Far from showing how ruthless he is in wanting Chelsea to win it just shows how f*cking stupid he is and how much he doesn't know about football!
It may or may not be the time now for Wenger to go.....but I'd still prefer to keep him a year or two too long than have a merry go round of a new manager every other year!
Oi!!!!
What you trying to say about the quality on here, MK? 
