So Samba might be on his way

Post by **Barriecuda** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:51 pm

Djourou for me looks like a great backup CB, but he's no in way good enough or reliable enough for a place in the starting 11 for an ambitious club like Arsenal.

1989 · Post by **1989** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:53 pm

Barriecuda wrote:Djourou for me looks like a great backup CB, but he's no in way good enough or reliable enough for a place in the starting 11 for an ambitious club like Arsenal.

News to me.

LeftfootlegendGooner · Mon May 30, 2011 9:11 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:LeftfootlegendGooner wrote: Gunnersaurus wrote: LeftfootlegendGooner wrote: Gunnersaurus wrote: Because they are shit but how many clubs did we fight off for Henry or Bergkamp?

It works both ways.

Buy we did have competition for those players, we just paid big money at the time, totally different.

But we had no competition so by your logic they are shit.

Your argument is flawed cos you refuse to believe opposing facts so can't be arsed, like arguing with a woman

How is it flawed? I'm just asking the question, if a player is not good enough because one of the top clubs are not trying to get in first then how do you explain those two?

I'm only seeing one flawed logic here.

If a player fits then he fits, I doubt Chelsea or us made a move for Hernandez, is he shit?

Your argument gets more obscure at each post, talking of posts you seem to be moving them at regular intervals.

You've lost me but my argument stands, no big team as yet has tried to sign samba.

And if it is a gamble you are relying on then the last few have been absolute garbage.

Over and out, I am gonna have some more wine and pleasure the missus :)

Gunnersaurus · Post by **Gunnersaurus** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:14 pm

Haha ok mate, run from the questions as much as you like.

Enjoy the wine and the Mrs.

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:22 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
Gunnersaurus wrote:LeftfootlegendGooner wrote: Gunnersaurus wrote: Because they are shit but how many clubs did we fight off for Henry or Bergkamp?

It works both ways.

Buy we did have competition for those players, we just paid big money at the time, totally different.

But we had no competition so by your logic they are shit.
Your argument is flawed cos you refuse to believe opposing facts so can't be arsed, like arguing with a woman
How is it flawed? I'm just asking the question, if a player is not good enough because one of the top clubs are not trying to get in first then how do you explain those two?

I'm only seeing one flawed logic here.

If a player fits then he fits, I doubt Chelsea or us made a move for Hernandez, is he shit?

It is flawed for the following reasons -

Bergkamp was one of the most coveted young players in europe when he left what was then a top european side (ajax) to join another top european club (inter). After one poor season inter decided that he wasnt the man for them but we, through David Dein, stole a march on the rest of his admirers and his signing caused major shockwaves at that time. Henry too had been a top player for a big european club (monaco) when he left to join the turin giants juve but he too failed to inspire after one season and again we got in and nabbed him through wenger's history with him before any other club could react. Signing those two players who had 2 major european superclubs on each of their cv's is not the same as comparing the signing of samba cos his cv doesnt read as a who is who of world football but is more like a "who ?"

I would also like to add that somebody made a comment stating that no other big club needs a centre back hence the lack of competition for his signiture and I am sorry but that is absolutely dogshite imo. The scousers have a 55 year old carragher, skertal (sp

) and the injury prone tatooed gobshite agger so do you not think that they could do with a centre back ? Samba is a player that no other medium sized club is even chasing and yet we are to believe that signing the guy would be a coup ?

We have a glaring need at centre back and of that there is no doubt but the ability to head a ball should not be the only factor to consider when signing a centre back

Post by **brazilianGOONER** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:33 pm

top post, augie. absolutely spot on.

Gunnersaurus · Post by **Gunnersaurus** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:33 pm

What is then? Someone identical to what we have now, a middle of the range player that can pass it out of defence but struggles in other areas while being weak in others?

People can ***** over Vermaelen all they like but he would not get into the United or Chelsea teams but he is seen as God here, I just don't get the logic that a player can only add something if another top 4 club are after them.

We do not buy players like other top clubs, we need to find players that will add to areas we need adding to, its not a Dick waving contest as if it is we would be standing at the back with our pants on.

Gunnersaurus · Post by **Gunnersaurus** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:34 pm

brazilianGOONER wrote:top post, augie. absolutely spot on.

Top marks for licking the ring, posts like this add nothing to a discussion.

Post by **brazilianGOONER** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:36 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:
brazilianGOONER wrote:top post, augie. absolutely spot on.
Top marks for licking the ring, posts like this add nothing to a discussion.

oh, it does. it means that i, the supreme mind of football, agree with augie, which means his post can count as the absolute truth!

Post by **brazilianGOONER** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:37 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:
brazilianGOONER wrote:top post, augie. absolutely spot on.
Top marks for licking the ring, posts like this add nothing to a discussion.

by the way, agree with your post. top post!

Gunnersaurus · Post by **Gunnersaurus** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:38 pm

Sweet.

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:45 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:What is then? Someone identical to what we have now, a middle of the range player that can pass it out of defence but struggles in other areas while being weak in others?

People can ***** over Vermaelen all they like but he would not get into the United or Chelsea teams but he is seen as God here, I just don't get the logic that a player can only add something if another top 4 club are after them.

We do not buy players like other top clubs, we need to find players that will add to areas we need adding to, its not a Dick waving contest as if it is we would be standing at the back with our pants on.

For my mind a quality centre back needs to be physically strong both in the air and on the deck (which samba is), be a real leader (which samba is) but he also needs to be faster than he is, have more about him when he has the ball at his feet and be experienced at the top level all of which I feel samba lacks. Samba is no rookie age wise and dont you find it even a little worrying that even at this stage of his career no top club has ever signed him ? When I think of signing a player like him I always think of below average al.............both signed at a similar age having been no more than journeyman players throughout their careers. Of course samba is country miles better than almunia (who isnt

) but the anology exists at the same time

Bergkamp-Genius · Post by **Bergkamp-Genius** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:50 pm

I think this is the whole problem...we know the standard of players we would prefer to and should be after or signing...
But when we are talking about possible signings however unpalatable it is we have to take in to consideration the level of players that our manager is looking at and likely to sign...

So whilst the likes of Samba would not be anywhere near the top of anyones choice for their fantasy league team if we are being realistic, in the bargain range wenger will be looking, your not going to get the perfect CB.. We need to be thinking more along the lines of is he better than what we have, does he deal with a weakness we have...as opposed to would he be the perfect signing that we would all get excited about...

After years of edging backwards each season in the quality stakes any kind of improvement on what we already have, even a minute one, would be welcome...

Gunnersaurus · Post by **Gunnersaurus** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:54 pm

Age is only a number, Ian Wright is a prime example.

For me he just is everything we don't have, someone that will head all day, fight and bully all day and kick it out of the ground as opposed to being too elegant and getting caught in possession.

I'm dreading a pairing of Vermaelen and Koscienly, you could not get two identical styles, we need someone that can handle a Kevin Davies, Andy Carroll or John Carew, its where we get found out.

We need defenders that enjoy defending.

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:59 pm

I think we just need to be realistic about how much Wenger will likely pay for a CB. I doubt very much he'll go more than about 10-12m. Therefore, our need for a CB who is particularly good in the air means Samba would probably be an excellent addition. He doesn't need to be good on the ball as our midfielders always drop deep to pick it up. I think Samba has many good attributes such as good aerially, very strong physically, good tackler, experienced as a captain, very experienced in the PL. Is he slower than John Terry? I wouldn't have thought there's much in it. CB's are very much about partnerships and Samba with TV would give us an excellent mix of skills that fits our budget. I still think he would be an excellent signing, especially as there aren't many available alternatives?