U-21 Tournament

Babu · Post by **Babu** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:45 pm

safcftm wrote:Spot on- I was saying earlier (I think in this thread) that the whole approach is wrong- too much emphasis on big, athletic players (either Carroll types, or the likes of Walcott, SWP, Lennon who can run fast as fuck but can hardly control a football), too quick to progress to full size pitches (where again the quick players flourish at a young age and the physical players flourish), not enough games with a maximum of 2 or 3 touches (so players get used to controlling the ball first time, one touch to move it to the side, then pick a pass), not enough games where the ball isnt allowed above head height so there is too much of a tendency to hoof it to the big lad up front etc.

I came across an article a while ago about a british coach with a different outlook and it has been brought up again so i thought i'd copy it here, it highlights a lot of what is wrong- this is the kind of person the FA should be bringing in, not the likes of Carragher, Pearce etc (its a long article, but its pretty good):

Roger Spry is probably the most famous English football coach you've never heard of.

I know the bloke. Well, I know of him. He works for the Ã–FB, the Austrian Football Association ( you'll just have to believe me about the initials ), and has just extended his contract. Very well thought of in Austria.

Actually probably well thought of everywhere, if you know of him. Very impressed.
Yes, it is amazing how held back England and the training methods are.

Case in point: Arsene Wenger comes to England, and with one idea...

Arsene Wenger wrote: "I think in England you eat too much sugar and meat and not enough vegetables."

...he revolutionises the whole of English football.

Seriously though, the English need a wake-up call, and fast.

SpanishJoe · Post by **SpanishJoe** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:54 am

How depressing!

CBs looked good (Smalling particularly) but the rest were dire. Can't pass and can't control and more than anything don't seem to possess the brains.

In midfield, Mancienne was terrible and Jordan Henderson, I don't get it, what's he supposed to be good at?

Pearce as manager, please God never for the seniors!

1989 · Post by **1989** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:58 am

Think Henderson's alright. No way worth what the mousers paid for him though.

safcftm · Post by **safcftm** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:05 am

1989 wrote:Think Henderson's alright. No way worth what the mousers paid for him though.

the under 21s need to stop playing him as a central midfielder for a start, the lad is a right sided midfielder, and he wasnt helped by the ball being hoofed over his head time and time again last night, but aye, much though i think he will go on to be a cracking player in time, he isnt worth Â£20m at the minute. We wouldnt have sold him for much less like, but i wouldnt expect any takers at that price

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:08 am

I have never been so bored as last night watching this tat!

I admired Stuart Pearce as a player but it must be obvious to all that he is not up to the task and was promoted into the position and subsequently has lived on his fierce patriotism.

The football played was like watching any Allardyce reserve team!

slag · Post by **slag** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:43 am

if the last generation were the golden god knows what this one is...

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:17 am

slag wrote:if the last generation were the golden god knows what this one is...

The 'shower'?

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:35 am

Another good night at the office for pearce and his team

I watched most of the game last night and tbh it was dire stuff

Anybody just looking at the result and seeing engerland concede two late goals might think that they were unlucky but the reality was a different story as far as I am concerned although for me a draw would have been about right

Right I am gonna stick my head out and say this........as a footballer sturidge is shit. His control of the ball is fcuking woeful and I thought his awareness of the game around him was poor - at one stage he took 10 touches of the ball before passing it and he hadnt moved 5 yards

Unless it is hoofed long english players have no concept of moving the ball fast or perpetual motion from their players. Henderson again looked anything but a 20m player and to listen to tyler practically wanking himself about the scum player (naughton) at right full you would think he was cafu when in reality he was just another version of theo.......head down, run at pace and no fcuking brains

It was good to see pearce adopting the same age old policy of having a dig at the media in his post match comments - he had a go at their criticism over englands first two performances when the reality was that they were absolute garbage in both games

LDB · Post by **LDB** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:41 am

augie wrote:Another good night at the office for pearce and his team

I watched most of the game last night and tbh it was dire stuff Anybody just looking at the result and seeing engerland concede two late goals might think that they were unlucky but the reality was a different story as far as I am concerned although for me a draw would have been about right

Right I am gonna stick my head out and say this........as a footballer sturidge is shit. His control of the ball is fcuking woeful and I thought his awareness of the game around him was poor - at one stage he took 10 touches of the ball before passing it and he hadnt moved 5 yards Unless it is hoofed long english players have no concept of moving the ball fast or perpetual motion from their players. Henderson again looked anything but a 20m player and to listen to tyler practically wanking himself about the scum player (naughton) at right full you would think he was cafu when in reality he was just another version of theo.......head down, run at pace and no fcuking brains

It was good to see pearce adopting the same age old policy of having a dig at the media in his post match comments - he had a go at their criticism over englands first two performances when the reality was that they were absolute garbage in both games

Agreed although i have to say i thought sturridge was one of the only england players that looked anything like dangerous

rodders999 · Post by **rodders999** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:48 am

Has anyone blamed Wenger or Jack yet?

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:05 am

rodders999 wrote:Has anyone blamed Wenger or Jack yet?

Give them time, Rodders...

LeftfootlegendGooner · Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:21 am

augie wrote:Another good night at the office for pearce and his team

I watched most of the game last night and tbh it was dire stuff Anybody just looking at the result and seeing engerland concede two late goals might think that they were unlucky but the reality was a different story as far as I am concerned although for me a draw would have been about right

Right I am gonna stick my head out and say this........as a footballer sturidge is shit. His control of the ball is fcuking woeful and I thought his awareness of the game around him was poor - at one stage he took 10 touches of the ball before passing it and he hadnt moved 5 yards Unless it is hoofed long english players have no concept of moving the ball fast or perpetual motion from their players. Henderson again looked anything but a 20m player and to listen to tyler practically wanking himself about the scum player (naughton) at right full you would think he was cafu when in reality he was just another version of theo.......head down, run at pace and no fcuking brains

It was good to see pearce adopting the same age old policy of having a dig at the media in his post match comments - he had a go at their criticism over englands first two performances when the reality was that they were absolute garbage in both games

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:22 am

Sturidge knocked in a lovely cross for the goal but for me he tried to look bubbly and energetic but that was deceiving cos his 1st touch was akin to bendtners, he chose the wrong option 95% of the time and wa greedy by choosing to shot on occasions when a pass was the better option

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:23 am

LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
augie wrote:Another good night at the office for pearce and his team

I watched most of the game last night and tbh it was dire stuff Anybody just looking at the result and seeing engerland concede two late goals might think that they were unlucky but the reality was a different story as far as I am concerned although for me a draw would have been about right

Right I am gonna stick my head out and say this........as a footballer sturidge is shit. His control of the ball is fcuking woeful and I thought his awareness of the game around him was poor - at one stage he took 10 touches of the ball before passing it and he hadnt moved 5 yards Unless it is hoofed long english players have no concept of moving the ball fast or perpetual motion from their players. Henderson again looked anything but a 20m player and to listen to tyler practically wanking himself about the scum player (naughton) at right full you would think he was cafu when in reality he was just another version of theo.......head down, run at pace and no fcuking brains

It was good to see pearce adopting the same age old policy of having a dig at the media in his post match comments - he had a go at their criticism over englands first two performances when the reality was that they were absolute garbage in both games

What does that mean ? If you are disagreeing then please feel free to say where you think I am wrong

LeftfootlegendGooner · Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:25 am

augie wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
augie wrote:Another good night at the office for pearce and his team

I watched most of the game last night and tbh it was dire stuff Anybody just looking at the result and seeing engerland concede two late goals might think that they were unlucky but the reality was a different story as far as I am concerned although for me a draw would have been about right

Right I am gonna stick my head out and say this........as a footballer sturidge is shit. His control of the ball is fcuking woeful and I thought his awareness of the game around him was poor - at one stage he took 10 touches of the ball before passing it and he hadnt moved 5 yards Unless it is hoofed long english players have no concept of moving the ball fast or perpetual motion from their players. Henderson again looked anything but a 20m player and to listen to tyler practically wanking himself about the scum player (naughton) at right full you would think he was cafu when in reality he was just another version of theo.......head down, run at pace and no fcuking brains

It was good to see pearce adopting the same age old policy of having a dig at the media in his post match comments - he had a go at their criticism over englands first two performances when the reality was that they were absolute garbage in both games

What does that mean ? If you are disagreeing then please feel free to say where you think I am wrong

TBH i'd rather read us martins posts, it's all the usual anti-english guff but i should be used to it and not read it but ocassionally i do and disagree with all of it.....is that ok?????