Cesc must quit for Barca

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Gunnersaurus wrote:We will stand firm on the price, that is one thing I am sure about this Summer.
Agreed (I think), if only because I’d guess they know if we sell Cesc for less than, or even the same as, Sperz end up getting for Modric (& by all accounts they’re looking at about £35m) then they’ll get slaughtered in the press & by a lot of the fans. I’d imagine they’re shit-scared of making an even bigger rod for their own back next season.

We’ve been shafted if we let him go for less than £40m imo - unhappy or not. Cant see the point in paying him the extra wages to sign a longer than usual term contract, only to let him go on the relative cheap anyway.

Barca are willing to pay £38m for that Sanchez kid from Udinese, they paid £60m for Ibrahimovic, £20m for a Ukranian back-up CB who’s barely kicked a ball since. Granted the lack of a bidding war brings his price down but only by so much, and if there was one I’d guess we’d easily be looking at £50m+.

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I spoke with his best mate Senderos in the first week of June last year, and he told me that Cesc was definitely going.

I was really shocked, and didn't really believe it, but a week later Senderos had left The Arsenal, so after that I was sure Cesc was going.

Of course we all know that didn't happen, but then there was this 'greatest talk ever' that Cesc had with Wenger, and I'm guessing that he agreed to one more season, but that was that.

Can't really blame Cesc, as we would all do the same thing if we were at Barca and our boyhood Club The Arsenal wanted us back - especially if The Arsenal were European Champs and best team in the World at the time, and all your mates from International games were there.

Re the price - well, it will be shockingly low, but then it was for Henry and Vieira as well, so nothing new there.

Is it a good thing or bad thing?

Well, Cesc is World Class, and held this shower together for the past few years, so of course he will be missed, BUT...

a) he also restricted us in that AW built everything around him
b) he isn't a 'Captain', so hopefully we will finally get a 'proper' Capt
c) having your best player and Capt at the Club even though EVERYONE at the Club knows he doesn't want to be here is clearly not a good idea, even though Wenger obviously thinks that this is some kind of brilliantly cunning secret plan.
d) FINAL PROOF that Wenger's youth policy has failed. Getting young promising players and paying them incredible amounts in the hope that they will love the Club and never leave and play their hearts out for us DOES NOT WORK!

It is obviously a seriously bad thing losing your Captain and best player for peanuts to a 'rival', but there's very little we can do about it. Certainly nothing that we as mere fans can do about it, and nothing constructive that the Club can do either.
Playing him in the reserves for the next few years is not an option, although it would be wonderful to do that ( like with Wiltord ), and clearly the only thing we can do is take the money and re-invest it sensibly.

Wenger has had a year to search out a replacement, and to be honest I think he won't sign anyone for that position, but go with Wilshere and Ramsey ( until they want to fuck off ) and then there'll be Frimpong and A.N. Other to fill their places.

That's life, I guess.

Onwards and Upwards!

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Babu wrote:Re the price - well, it will be shockingly low, but then it was for Henry and Vieira as well, so nothing new there.
Sorry Babu, but that is b*ll*ocks! Henry and Viera were both well past their "best before" dates and selling them was a good deal for Arsenal.

Cesc hasn't even reached his peak, is on a long contract and in the current market has to be worth £50m.

All this shite that Barca come out with about wear and tear. Think we should make an offer for Messi on the same basis..... :roll: !

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MK Gould wrote:
Babu wrote:Re the price - well, it will be shockingly low, but then it was for Henry and Vieira as well, so nothing new there.
Sorry Babu, but that is b*ll*ocks! Henry and Viera were both well past their "best before" dates and selling them was a good deal for Arsenal.

Cesc hasn't even reached his peak, is on a long contract and in the current market has to be worth £50m.

All this shite that Barca come out with about wear and tear. Think we should make an offer for Messi on the same basis..... :roll: !
I take your point about TH and PV, although I don't agree with it, but I can see why you think that. I think they still had an awful lot to give us, in terms of experience and leadership, and that the price for both of them was far too low.

I agree 100% that Cesc is worth £50m, I would say even more, but...we don't know what AW and Cesc talked about last summer, and how AW persuaded Cesc from not handing in a transfer request, but I am guessing that it was agreed that Cesc could go to Barca this summer - if they came in for him with a 'reasonable offer'.

Also agree re Barca - *word censored* of the highest order - just like we are when doing transfer business, but who can blame them. They KNOW that Cesc wants to be there, they know that he won't sign for anyone else. They know he can walk on a free in a couple of years. What would you do?

Question: b*ll*ocks ?!? Ballcocks?

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MK Gould wrote:
Babu wrote:Re the price - well, it will be shockingly low, but then it was for Henry and Vieira as well, so nothing new there.
Sorry Babu, but that is b*ll*ocks! Henry and Viera were both well past their "best before" dates and selling them was a good deal for Arsenal.

Cesc hasn't even reached his peak, is on a long contract and in the current market has to be worth £50m.

All this shite that Barca come out with about wear and tear. Think we should make an offer for Messi on the same basis..... :roll: !
We should offer em 10m for Messi. Not because that's what he's worth but because that's what we can afford, same principle as what they're doing. See how they like that....

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£27.5m for a 25 year old, who's best years are still ahead of him is taking the piss and i don't buy into this old shit about injury, i just felt last season he couldn't be arse to play for us and used injuries as an excuse - i bet if he moves to Barca he will not miss no more than 2 or 3 games next season

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Dan_85 wrote:
MK Gould wrote:
Babu wrote:Re the price - well, it will be shockingly low, but then it was for Henry and Vieira as well, so nothing new there.
Sorry Babu, but that is b*ll*ocks! Henry and Viera were both well past their "best before" dates and selling them was a good deal for Arsenal.

Cesc hasn't even reached his peak, is on a long contract and in the current market has to be worth £50m.

All this shite that Barca come out with about wear and tear. Think we should make an offer for Messi on the same basis..... :roll: !
We should offer em 10m for Messi. Not because that's what he's worth but because that's what we can afford, same principle as what they're doing. See how they like that....
Nah, first we should spend at least 3 years telling our players to talk to the media at every given opportunity about how great it would be for Messi to come here, then we will get ex players such as Henry, Adams etc... to comment on it too, as well as both present and past directors to come out and say how Messi belongs with Arsenal. Then we will make a series of ridiculous bids and insist that we are doing all we can to bring the player to Arsenal and act as if they are holding Messi back from where he truly belongs and their refusal to let him come here is akin to slavery...

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Rosie_titters wrote:£27.5m for a 25 year old, who's best years are still ahead of him is taking the piss and i don't buy into this old shit about injury, i just felt last season he couldn't be arse to play for us and used injuries as an excuse - i bet if he moves to Barca he will not miss no more than 2 or 3 games next season
I think if he moves to barcelona, he'll get a lot more rest! :roll: :wink:

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marcengels wrote:
Rosie_titters wrote:£27.5m for a 25 year old, who's best years are still ahead of him is taking the piss and i don't buy into this old shit about injury, i just felt last season he couldn't be arse to play for us and used injuries as an excuse - i bet if he moves to Barca he will not miss no more than 2 or 3 games next season
I think if he moves to barcelona, he'll get a lot more rest! :roll: :wink:

well i've heard Abidal won't sign a new contract. so he could always go and play at LB

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i think if we get 30-35mill just take the fucking thing and move on. we are not going to get 50mill and if we dont sell him we are stuck with an unhappy player .

cesc has served his time and gave us good service but its time to let him go home.

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£37M up front minimum rising to £45M depending on trophies won and any follow up transfer moves.
Anything less is an insult.

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I really have kinda started getting tired of all this. Until he comes out and says he is not happy and wants to leave than i'm just going to ignore it. I really don't care what other reports are saying about him being unhappy because if I listen to every other player or media outlet then we would have signed every player in the world. Everyone has an opinion and rumors spread like crazy in the football world. As of now Cesc has said publicly he is happy and is not asking to leave. Until he comes forward and says otherwise i'm going to go with that.

And if he does want to go, he has given us some great time. But he has been very respectful to the club, he easily could tell us to fuck off if he wants but he wont.

Also, most rumors of him wanting to leave and everything else is coming from spain. Most likely an interview with Pique where he said "I hope he comes here soon, hes a best friend and I'd love to play with him" gets twisted in the media and turns into "Cesc missed home and wants nothing more than to play for barcelona" So its all BS

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£27m is laughable in fact it's insulting...

I can only imagine Cesc has told them he's definitely leaving Arsenal this summer so they think they can get him for a pittance as they think they have no competition for his signature...

If Wenger has resigned himself to losing Cesc this summer which i think is the case, then it's time we let other clubs in on the bidding.. If Citeh Chelski Madrid and United thought there was a possiblity of getting Cesc we would be looking at least 40m maybe even as much as 50m being offered..

If we are going to lose Cesc then all we should be thinking of is maximising what we get for him..If Barca want to offer a fair market value for him or even something near it then fair enough, Cesc gets the move he wants, Barca get the player they want and we get a fair deal, everyones happy..

But if they are going to persist in trying to shaft us on the fee due to the fact cesc would prefer to play for them, then it's time we moved the goalposts..
Open up the bidding and we shall see what he is really worth, if barca want to re assess and match that, then fine, if not then Cesc needs to be given a choice, stay or go to the highest bidder...

We can't allow Cesc to put us in a situation where we may lose out on as much as 15-20m on a transfer fee, just to keep him happy, even though he is leaving, it's ludicrous..
The irony is, Wenger the tightest c*nt of them all, who penny pinches to ridiculous degrees when buying players will probably allow it to happen ...

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Jamie Sanderson
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Cesc: "When I am home, I want to be in London. You know the expression the grass is greener? I'm done with Barcelona."


http://www.sofoot.com/fabregas-ne-veut- ... -news.html

:shock:
LEGEND IF TRUE!!!

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1989 wrote:Jamie Sanderson
@YoungGunsBlog Jamie Sanderson
Cesc: "When I am home, I want to be in London. You know the expression the grass is greener? I'm done with Barcelona."


http://www.sofoot.com/fabregas-ne-veut- ... -news.html

:shock:
LEGEND IF TRUE!!!
Sounds too good to be true. But on the other hand, I can imagine why Cesc is a bit fed up with Barça. I will never forget how he got booed in Camp Nou back in March.

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