Seems as if people are pushing for terracing to be brought back to our grounds. Most grounds in the lower divisions are part standing/part seating, and I know that nearly all (if not all) of the grounds in Germany have it too. Do you guys think it would work here? Do you want to see the return of the terrace?
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The Return of Terracing
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Gooner Chris
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No. We've moved on from that. Ibrox and Hillsborough were two disasters too many and as someone who stood on the North Bank I am still amazed there weren't more situations like that - it used to be scary sometimes when your feet didn't touch the floor and you were swept up and down the terraces. Plus you can still get a great atmosphere in a seated stadium - the Liverpool fans at Anfield against Chelsea were fantastic for example.
BRING IT BACK PLEASE, we're not talking about whole terraced grounds but save standing areas like they have in germany. Dortmund have a huge 27,000 one tier stand that is all standing but yet there has been no accidents. Never heard of anything happening at cardiff.
If they were so unsafe as you say they wouldn't let anyone on a terrace all clubs would have all seater and clubs who didn't have enough money would have to play at neutral ground.
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If they were so unsafe as you say they wouldn't let anyone on a terrace all clubs would have all seater and clubs who didn't have enough money would have to play at neutral ground.
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Heysel -66 Ranger fans get killed in a crush at Ibrox when they they left after the final whistle and were then caught up in the crush which was caused by the excessive amount of people funnelling into the stairwell which had thick wooden railings, unfortunately stopping people climbing out of the fatal crush
Fights broke out between English football fans supporting Liverpool and rival Italian supporters at the European Cup final at the Heysel Stadium in Brussels. While English fans attacked a stand filled with Italians a concrete retaining wall collapsed and 39 persons were crushed or trampled to death, 32 of them Italians. More than 400 persons were injured.
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tenementfunster5
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They are not trying to bring back the old style terracing but use the german model which is alot safer. The reason the old one's were unsafe is because they were dated and instead of improving them they banned them 
And the germans have improved them and have enjoyed succes, no accidents, great atmospheres and have no become the most watched league in europe(most watched=most paying customers)
Although what you suggest could be the best alternative. But instead of just 2 blocks like you stated the whole end should be allowed standing as just two blocks would have no effect. Can have seats in the first 10 rows and standing the rest so no people sitting would have people blocking them. And also unreserved seating so you can sit with your mates and also if you see a big group singing you can go and join them. Like you coukd do with a terrace
And the germans have improved them and have enjoyed succes, no accidents, great atmospheres and have no become the most watched league in europe(most watched=most paying customers)Although what you suggest could be the best alternative. But instead of just 2 blocks like you stated the whole end should be allowed standing as just two blocks would have no effect. Can have seats in the first 10 rows and standing the rest so no people sitting would have people blocking them. And also unreserved seating so you can sit with your mates and also if you see a big group singing you can go and join them. Like you coukd do with a terrace
Interesting replies. Gotta say that I’m with N22 Gooner. I don’t think that it was necessarily the terraces that were unsafe, more the general policing of games and people on the turnstiles that were the problem. Hillsborough would never have happened if the correct number of Liverpool fans were let in, and if there were no fences at the front. Nearly 20 years has passed, why can’t we show that we’ve learned from past tragedies, and in doing so, bring back that unique atmosphere that could only be generated from a terraced crowd? If Liverpool fans that were present at Hillsborough are for it (http://www.fsf.org.uk/media/pdfs/safe-s ... rt-web.pdf), then why can’t the rest of us?
I like the sound of unreserved seating. Yes, you can sit with your mates but it also allows people with kids to sit at the front rather than behind those who are standing. We plan to go to more away games next season & my kids not being able to see is a worry! I'd prefer a proper terrace rather than have people standing in the seats.
Also, if theme parks & clubs can come up with ways of restricting access (wrist bands, stamps on hands etc) then I'm sure it shouldn't be beyond the wit of football clubs to control numbers on a terrace!
Also, if theme parks & clubs can come up with ways of restricting access (wrist bands, stamps on hands etc) then I'm sure it shouldn't be beyond the wit of football clubs to control numbers on a terrace!
I never understood how banning terracing solved the problem of letting too many people through the turnstile? That was the problem at Hillsborough, (and of course the fences). I went to Lazio v Juve at the Olympic stadium in Rome while on holiday a couple of years ago. The end I was in was all seater but the stewards let in far too many people than the seats allowed (clearly it was the norm!!). It was very scary and proved the point that entry control is the key bit to get right and it doesn't matter whether you stand, sit or squat.
As we know Ashburton is all ticket. You could have a standing area and keep it all ticket. You could even make it members only (to appease the critics) which meant you could only gain access via your card so you could accurately control how many supporters gained access to the area.
I've read that parents of Hillsborough victims are trying to block any move to bring back standing. Our hearts obviously go out to those families for what happened, but even had the Leppings Lane end been seated, with the numbers of supporters that surged onto the terrace and with the fences in place, the same result would have occured. In fact it could have been worse as it would have given less space for movement.
An all ticket standing area properly stewarded solves many issues. It will take away the ongoing saga of stewards attempting to get fans to sit down, will remove the threat of the club being punished if people do stand, will generate the atmosphere we're desperate to achieve, it would allow more fans into each game and would generate extra money for the club from the extra capacity.
As we know Ashburton is all ticket. You could have a standing area and keep it all ticket. You could even make it members only (to appease the critics) which meant you could only gain access via your card so you could accurately control how many supporters gained access to the area.
I've read that parents of Hillsborough victims are trying to block any move to bring back standing. Our hearts obviously go out to those families for what happened, but even had the Leppings Lane end been seated, with the numbers of supporters that surged onto the terrace and with the fences in place, the same result would have occured. In fact it could have been worse as it would have given less space for movement.
An all ticket standing area properly stewarded solves many issues. It will take away the ongoing saga of stewards attempting to get fans to sit down, will remove the threat of the club being punished if people do stand, will generate the atmosphere we're desperate to achieve, it would allow more fans into each game and would generate extra money for the club from the extra capacity.
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A short while ago there was a lobby started for the return of terracing. I lobbied my local MP, Alan Hazlehurst, with a strong argument for a new style of controlled standing area. He forwarded my letter to the minister for sport.
The reply that I got suggested that there is no way that they would even consider any type of return to standing. The arguments that were put forward were largely flawed but were offered with a steely resolve that indicates that this will never happen. One of the points made was that the clubs don't want it. He suggested that clubs earn revenue at half time from people visiting the refreshment stalls in the knowledge that they can return to their seat. If they are standing they risk losing their place and therefore do not move during half time.
The reply that I got suggested that there is no way that they would even consider any type of return to standing. The arguments that were put forward were largely flawed but were offered with a steely resolve that indicates that this will never happen. One of the points made was that the clubs don't want it. He suggested that clubs earn revenue at half time from people visiting the refreshment stalls in the knowledge that they can return to their seat. If they are standing they risk losing their place and therefore do not move during half time.
Its never going to be brought back in. As a travel club member I attend pretty much all the away games (I tend to stay away from the emirates as its full of prawn sandwich brigade!!) For the big games (Chelsea, Man Utd, Spurs, Liverpool etc) and night matches the travelling gooners tend to all stand throughout the whole 90 minutes. The atmosphere difference by just doing this is incredible. Although we lost, I thought one of the best away atmospheres last season was Fulham, purely because the travelling gooners stood throughout. Manure fans stand for every away game and it pains me to say it but the noise their away support generates is deafening.
Standing areas are never gonna be allowed at home grounds, but with just 3000 fans (on average) at away games, we should try, if we can to stand at every ground next season. This would definatly improve the atmosphere and away results also!
Standing areas are never gonna be allowed at home grounds, but with just 3000 fans (on average) at away games, we should try, if we can to stand at every ground next season. This would definatly improve the atmosphere and away results also!
Its never going to be brought back in. As a travel club member I attend pretty much all the away games (I tend to stay away from the emirates as its full of prawn sandwich brigade!!) For the big games (Chelsea, Man Utd, Spurs, Liverpool etc) and night matches the travelling gooners tend to all stand throughout the whole 90 minutes. The atmosphere difference by just doing this is incredible. Although we lost, I thought one of the best away atmospheres last season was Fulham, purely because the travelling gooners stood throughout. Manure fans stand for every away game and it pains me to say it but the noise their away support generates is deafening.
Standing areas are never gonna be allowed at home grounds, but with just 3000 fans (on average) at away games, we should try, if we can to stand at every ground next season. This would definatly improve the atmosphere and away results also!
Standing areas are never gonna be allowed at home grounds, but with just 3000 fans (on average) at away games, we should try, if we can to stand at every ground next season. This would definatly improve the atmosphere and away results also!
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tenementfunster5
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[quote="tenementfunster5"]We don't need to bring back terracing. All that needs to be done is organise standing areas i.e block 5&6 at The Grove. Keep the seats in place to stop possible stampeeding but allow the supporters who want to stand stand.[/quote]
I would like to see some terracing back and agree with your last post that everyone standing creates a belonging that you just cannot recreate sitting down. But I doubt they would be allowed to keep the seats in as you suggest as I think this would be against regulations of the licensing authority.
As for someone using the example of Liverpool v Chelsea as an example of a great atmosphere, I say here and now that we have rarely been able to create something like that, a consistent noise level( does anyone who was in Paris remember the PSG home support in 1994 - f**king incredible), and Anfield can be very quiet at all other times.
Having terraces is something more than the decibel level
I would like to see some terracing back and agree with your last post that everyone standing creates a belonging that you just cannot recreate sitting down. But I doubt they would be allowed to keep the seats in as you suggest as I think this would be against regulations of the licensing authority.
As for someone using the example of Liverpool v Chelsea as an example of a great atmosphere, I say here and now that we have rarely been able to create something like that, a consistent noise level( does anyone who was in Paris remember the PSG home support in 1994 - f**king incredible), and Anfield can be very quiet at all other times.
Having terraces is something more than the decibel level
I'm not sure how the whole thing would work. Would a section of (for argument's sake) 15,000 seats have 15,000 people standing there, or would they let more people in? I assume that more people would be let in. Therefore, the way I see it, this can only be a good thing for the atmosphere. Also, I'd hope that a reduced ticket price would apply to the standing section, seeing as there would be more people in there than usual.
Still, this is all just speculation, although I'd love to see it brought back.
Still, this is all just speculation, although I'd love to see it brought back.
